What is it with the world??

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by bboy_benny, Feb 26, 2004.

  1. bboy_benny

    bboy_benny Guest

    Its weird! I've been reading all of ur comments.. and when people asked how to get power in their shots? all the comments have been improve ur techniques!!! this confuses me.. coz since I was little people have been telling me to get stronger and all your stroke will have more power!!! so which ones are true? I know techniques are importants... but do training like sit-ups, push-ups, weights effects the power of ur stroke? or if you want to improve on your power you just need to concentrate on your techniques only? Coz all i know is big blokes belts the ball like bombs even though they know nothing about tennis!!! so in my opinion both counts huh? what do u think? can u get heaps good pace eventhough your techniques are really bad? or can u get more pace eventhough ur a 5 yrs old and ur techniques are better than james blake's techniques :p lol
    Thanks for the response
     
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  2. @wright

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    After you have the right mechanics, increasing your muscle mass does help, becuase if you use a fluid, loose swing, then extra weight in your arm and body will give you more pace, but it's not worth trying to bulk up to get pace if you have bad technique, because you won't be able to keep the ball in-pretty useless. I'd stick with improving mechanics, then bulking up can help...
     
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  3. AAAA

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    All other things being equal a groundstroke with forward weight transfer will be more powerful than one with no weight transfer. So all other things being equal the bigger heavier opponent will hit harder than the smaller guy when hitting with forward weight transfer.

    Hitting the ball using 100% power increases the chances for errors because most players will have decreased control the harder they try to hit. If you are much bigger and stronger than your opponent and equal in technical ability you have the advantage of being able to match your smaller opponent's most powerful shots by not having to use 100% power yourself since 80%, for example, of your maximum power may be = to 100% of their max power.

    It's no coincidence the hardest groundstrokers and fastest servers on the ATP tour tend to be the bigger and/or taller players.
     
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  4. Hyperstate

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    You'll have to ask Robby Ginepri on this one! :D Seriously, @wright and AAAA are right. Technique is a must and improved upper body, including the back, muscles help add to the force of the shot. What's that physics formula again? Force = mass x acceleration.

    The force of your shot = the mass of your upper body in rotation plus the mass of the racquet x the acceleration of your shot.

    This does not mean that overweight people have the highest force. Note rotation 8)
     
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  5. polakosaur

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    increase in muscle gives you more stability on you shots because your just not throwing your racquet as hard as you can at the ball, muslce lets you have a solid stable base from where then you can hit with control
     
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  6. Moveforwardalways

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    It's not all about strength. Federer probably benches less than most on this board, but hits a pretty heavy ball... so I hear.
     
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  7. fuzz nation

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    I somewhat agree with this - my understanding is that technique produces strong shots, but lifting weights and getting a little stronger is the key to being able to nail the ball over and over again without breaking down with injuries.
     
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  8. PittsburghDad

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    Its almost all loose, relaxed technique. Powerful legs definitely help though.
     
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  9. Chas Tennis

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    Say that there are two methods of accelerating a glass marble.
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    1) 30 really big and strong men in excellent condition pull on a rope with a pouch that holds a marble. They run along as fast as they can and then pull the rope with a rapid arm motion or whatever body motions that you can think of. Think of the maximum force available if the rope were tied to a tree, the forces of the pulling legs and arms, the power.

    2) One person has a Whamo sling shot and can also use its pouch to shoot the marble. They pull it back with 15 lbs force.
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    What does the small sling shot have that the 30 big strong men don't? Power? Force?

    The OP (from 2004 but nothing has changed) is looking at "power", whatever that is for tennis and also the increased muscle forces that result from heavy exercises. No one can define the use of 'power' in tennis discussions - that is why the similar discussions reappear and nobody gets anywhere. Even if they could define power as used in physics or for tennis, it probably would not cover the important property that the sling shot has and the 30 big strong men don't. After 12 years since the OP, what is it ?

    Hint- consider force, consider speed, consider force and speed together.
     
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  10. The Unknown

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    Before taking up tennis, I played Australian rules football and did a lot of weights training for it, focusing largely on the legs, arms, chest and core. The muscle mass gained from this has been a hinderance for my tennis I think. I have reduced flexibility and range of motion and I think it has also exaggerated the 'brace for impact' instinct, meaning that I'm a lot more tense and my muscles contract too much when I hit the ball and I grip the racket too hard = more muscling of the ball and reduced racket head speed.

    Look at Gilles Simon. He is tiny. Yet he can hit with adequate power for the modern professional game. Even Federer and Djokovic dont have huge upper bodies either, even though their legs are very strong.
     
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  11. rchjr2091

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    Exactly. I've spent the majority of my life working out, now I am constantly working on " not arming the ball ", my coach yells your strangling the racquet handle! Seems I try to muscle my shots instead of using my body momentum... Which obviously uses more energy than is needed. But I'm doing my best to change these habits.
     
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  12. MethodTennis

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    guarantee federer benches more than most of this board.
     
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