What is my level?

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by dak95_00, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. dozu

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    ^^ major protocol violation - do not get family members involved.... what I say about your mother maybe more nasty.... so you are forewarned.

    you are now officially peoplespeace 2.0
     
  2. thebuffman

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    Hey Dak95 nice vids man! thanks for posting. it really takes guts to post vids on this forum. usually the conversation thread goes on a tangent real quick onto which male has the largest. to bring it back on topic i would add that you have very solid ground strokes. from your ground strokes alone, i would rate you a solid 4.0 player. you might very well be far better than that but those things can really only be proven thru match play.

    if you want a really good thermometer of your skillset, i recommend scouring your local area for places with talent better than yours. the reason i know that i am not a 4.5-5.0 level is because i have hit against them and usually come out on the losing end of the stick. what is encouraging is that i do not get destroyed by these guys but always get edged out. for instance on solid 4.5 guy who has played for 15 years played me in numerous super tie breakers (10 pts). he beat me all tie breakers but they all came down to him breaking me once. as a matter of fact i would typically break him initially but he would always break back and break again late in breaker.

    another good friend of mine hit with me the other day. he would be 4.5 except for his mediocre service game. ground strokes are phenomenal however. he whipped me all night in about 10+ games of tug of war (doesn't incorporate the service game). wins for me were few and far between. near the end of the night i suggested we play a super tie breaker which would incorporate the service game into the mix. i destroyed him 10-2. i however prefer to hit for points without the service game because it forces me to learn to construct points without the aide of my strongest weapon, my serve.

    my point is to convey to you that once you have fundamental strokes, you certainly surpass 3.5 level. from that point forward though your level cannot really be determined by ball machine hitting videos. you will have to play against experienced players and see how you fair. for instance the 2nd guy i mentioned does not hit as hard as me but he is fast, gets to every ball and could hit winners against me even from defensive positions. he did it regularly. because of those pummellings i've take at the hand of 4.5 players, i know that i am not one. its really the only way to gauge your true rating. you have to play against some strong talent and see how you fair. the more variety of good talent you play against, the more clearly defined your level as well as your strengths and weaknesses.
     
  3. dak95_00

    dak95_00 Professional

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    I live in Columbus, OH. I'll even pick you up at the airport in you fly into Don Scott since I live nearby. If you fly into Port Columbus (CMH), I'll meet you somewhere.

    I've never had the speed of my serve measured. I just know it doesn't hit the ground before smacking the fence. I will say that those Gamma Pressureless balls do hit the ground before the fence but they don't hop either. I really have to try to sweep hard to get the spin on them. It's not worth messing up my shoulder for a few practice serves.

    I'm on a video kick. I might have to go out and video my serve w/ real balls from a different angle for you (the people of TT).

    This forum is funny. I've had only a few experiences w/ people being nasty. Afterwards, we've exchanged friendly emails and ignored each others posts, came to a mutual respect, or agreed to disagree. Dozu likes to offer differing ideas. I get it. Most of you might've noticed I referenced him in my initial post (Earth comment). I'm sure he is an alright guy and means well. I don't have a problem w/ anyone on here. I like a challenge too. That is what makes this fun. Thank you TW and the TT community!
     
  4. dak95_00

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    Buffman,

    I usually play tons of groundstroke games too. They assure you'll be in a rally and seeing shots of variety. I agree w/ everything you said in your post. That is why I am going to play more this summer and join a league and possibly play tournaments. I need experience after all of the rust!

    I've got a handful of friends rated 4.5 and above. I plan to get out and play them this summer. Against them, I have to be on my game and can't misfire. I have to show up early and warm-up before they get there. The ball machine is great for that. After they arrive, I settle into their pace and I'm able to go and get them. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. I'm not comfortably ready to play at that level all of the time. To win at that level, I have to be mentally and physically prepared before I get there. Last fall, I played in a local round-robin fun event that a friend put together w/ seven 4.5s and me. I was training for a 1/2 marathon and ran 11 miles the day before; my previous long run was 7 miles. I got there and died early. My legs were sore and it was bad. I only beat one guy. The rest were close but I was worthless because I didn't have legs. I was embarrased because I was the only non-league player there. I didn't get bageled but it wasn't pretty!
     
  5. mightyrick

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    Fair enough. Being from Columbus, I have relatives there. Next time I come into town, you have my word, I'll let you know. Back in Columbus, I used to go to Flying Tomato pizza all the time. If that still exists (or if it is under another name), we can go there after.

    If you win, I'll buy. If I win, you buy. If you bagel me, I'll buy you beers, too. :)

    Like I said, I meant no offense by any feedback I gave you. If it came across that way, I apologize. I do use more hard-hitting terms sometimes (crush, tee-off), but that is only because it is how I talk. Again, no offense intended.
     
  6. dak95_00

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    Deal! Send me a PM and I'll give you my contact information when you make it this way. I've only been through Austin one time a couple of summers ago. We were on our way from Dallas to New B something and the giant water park. Austin looks like a nice city.

    Flying Tomato Pizza... Is that the one on campus at the corner of 15th and High? I haven't made it over in that area in quite some time.
     
  7. mightyrick

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    Ah yeah, that water park is Schlitterbahn. Fun place.

    And yes, the Flying Tomato on High Street. I heard it might be renamed but basically the same pizza, same crust, same great sauce.
     
  8. dozu

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    now this thread is ruined when everybody goes nicey nicey.

    2 hours of tennis and 3 hours of golf later, I come back here, no poll, no escrow, no nothing.

    this is boring.
     
  9. jmnk

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    @mightyrick - I was going to debunk your assessment in more details but than I realized we have had the very same discussion already here:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5398165&postcount=26 That was in another thread where you quite significantly downgraded poster's level based on the video he provided.

    again, you are not willing to present any video of those superior players from Austin, Texas, and you are ignoring any and all visual evidence of how computer rated players actually look like on video (hint: not amazing - but we are not exactly talking professionals here).
     
  10. NaeviusTennis

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    nice, let's get an escrow going
     
  11. mightyrick

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    Oh, you mean that thread where you posted the 4.0s as a comparison? Where one of those 4.0s served with a forehand grip? The other 4.0 serving without even a backscratch? The 4.0s who barely had a forehand?

    The next USTA tourney I'm in, I'll show up for the 4.0s and record one for you -- if I'm allowed -- I'm not sure if I'm allowed. I'm already sure you'll discount the video anyways -- regardless of what it shows.

    But, it will at least prove that showing any videos here to in attempts to prove anything is useless.
     
  12. dozu

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    yeah, what's wrong with these people.... turned an interesting thread into a pizza party... what a disaster.
     
  13. TheCanadian

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    3.0, anyone who says more than that is lying.
     
  14. beernutz

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    You are deranged. I am serious.
     
  15. beernutz

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    You too.


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  16. jmnk

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    yes, those 4.0s. And to clarify: it's not me saying they are 4.0. It's USTA computer ranking doing that.
     
  17. Bacterio

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    Man, how do these threads always turn into this mess.

    I think the problem with the posting a video and asking for a rating threads is the preconceptions people have about their games. It ends up turning into a mess because people that overrate them reaffirm what they thought and those are the only people they choose to listen to.

    I wonder if an averages system would work out. We need to have some kind of unwritten rule where people leave their statements out and just give their rating opinion:

    3.5 Backhand
    4.0 Forehand
    3.5 Serve
    4.0 Volleys
    3.5 Movement

    Everyone just formats their post like that, then we average it all out and see where the OP ends up finishing at. Maybe we can even account for outliers, people that post 5.0 (aka Open) can be assumed to be drunk and be ignored, same for the people who say 2.5 (beginner that's probably choking up on the racket and slapping at the ball)
     
  18. 0d1n

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    I love happy endings...they make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside :twisted:.


    Then again...I agree with these points as well and "the mightiest of all ricks" still doesn't listen to reason.
     
  19. enishi1357

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    just beat a 4.0 to become a 4.0. Personally I dont really care about how people rate you on your practice cuz practice and playing for real is two very different thing.
     
  20. mightyrick

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    Well, I'll have to keep that in mind and listen harder the next time I get into a discussion with, "0d1n, 7h3 3l173 4nd d1v1n3 N0rd1c g0d".
     
  21. 0d1n

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    Bit f0rc3d, but I still liked it :). H1gh 5, br0/dud3 :D
     
  22. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Well, from the perspective of 'that other system' (you know, the one the rest of the world uses), I would pretty confidently rate you at either a good ITN 6 (I worry about that serve and that footwork) or maybe an ITN 5 ('cos you hit the ball pretty well off both sides, even with that funny hitch in the bh take back)

    Pity we don't get to see any matchplay.


    http://www.itftennis.com/itn/Ratings/itn conversion chart.asp for anyone who hasn't seen the comparisons before.

    So, 4.0 :)
     

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