what is the most spin orientated racket?!!:)

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  1. MK2411

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    of course they use spin but much less than nadal does. if you just compare shots made by nadal and djokovich, djokers are faster and flatter and nadals travel higher over the net and then drop and bounce off higher.
    i didnt mean to say pros use no spin. some may even use a lot. but there is a point where it makes more sense, at least in certain situations, to trade off spin for more power, thus leaving your opponent less time to react.
     
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  2. The Dark Knight

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    Yeah it does.....but I have no science to back it up.

    All I can tell you is what I have noticed with racquets.....there are two racquets that had the most spin ever.....

    Mark woodfordes hi ten snauert which the Vortex was modeled after. They had about the same open string pattern and incredibly thick strings (15 gauge ); however most experts will tell you that thin strings give more spin??.....to make matter more confusing Woodforde strung his racquet at a super high tension but the vortex is insanely low.....like 45 pounds.

    The other racquet is the now illegal spaghetti string. This racquet also had a super open string pattern and created insane spin.

    So in conclusion.....although I have no science to back it up I believe thicker string with an open pattern will create the most spin. But that's only a theory.

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  3. KenC

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    I don't get mad, I am just myth busting. People tend to attribute pro players' abilities to their racquets. The APDGT is the spinniest racquet because Nadal hits with the most spin. The PDR is the best serving racquet because Roddick hits the best serves. Changing equipment works better than improving technique. That kind of stuff.

    But hey, the global economy is really sagging so if people want to spend spend spend hoping to get more spin, go for it.
     
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    I think the apdgt is suited for spin hitters due to how it is weighted and balanced plus it's size and shape, but spinniest I would agree with you.

    I do think that a more open pattern will create more spin and if you read the article Wilson did in tennis Mag, you will see that they found the same.

    Do I want a pattern that open? Personally I like 16x18/19/20.

    Open patterns give more spin but strings are destroyed a lot faster. Not a huge deal, but if you want to switch from full poly to gut it would become one.

    My yy200 is one of the spinniest sticks I have used, but I can also hit drives with it due to how it is weighted and balanced, so I find it to be a perfect fit. I is very open, like the Tfight 320 - another spinny stick.
     
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  5. The Dark Knight

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    That's a really valid point.

    But with babolat there is an argument behind it. The APD does provide a lot of spin......I'm not sure why? Maybe the aerodynamic design really works and the racquet cuts through the air? Maybe it's the woofer system ? I don't know? But it really does provide a lot of spin...

    Same with Roderick's pure drive....the racquet is in reality a serving beast. I can't do much else with it....but you I can hit a lot more bombs with it than say a BLX.

    You are absolutely correct about the marketing side of the whole thing. I see a lot of 3.0 players using Feds racquet. It's just silly.
     
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  6. KenC

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    So are about a 100 other racquets. So why do you and many others continue to push the APDGT when a Pure Drive, or a Head Extreme, or any of the myriad pure drive clones out there can achieve the same result.

    Here is the million dollar question: If the APDGT is the best spin racquet out there, why doesn't Nadal use it? (Hint: think paint job.)
     
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  7. The Dark Knight

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    I don't think anyone can say what the best "spin" racquet is. It's an opinion.

    I think my Vortex tour 100 and really all Vortex are the best spin racquets. Does that mean I'm right? Of course not.......

    Everyone can have an opinion on this. There is no definitive answer. You just have to try it for yourself. Maybe take a poll ? But the ultimate judge and jury is you.
     
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    I dont push anything. I suggest easy options that make sense for most people.

    The APD and all versions of it are the same frame with varying tech and levels of stiffness. So the point you are trying to make is kind of weak at best.

    We all know the original APD is what rafa uses and why shouldnt he? It flexes at 65 and he is probably used to that feel. We all know pros dont switch much - it is their job to be consistent.

    If you read what I say, the APDs are weighted and balanced for the majority of spin hitters. I never said it was the best, but it sure must be up there in terms of sales...oh wait, it is the #1 selling racqet ever geared towards topspin hitters.

    Does that mean it is the "spinniest"? No. I never said that.

    Does it mean a guy who wants a topspin racquet should put it on his demo list?

    Without a doubt.
     
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  9. KenC

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    Like I already said, it just seems true because there is circumstantial evidence to back it up. Isner hits amazing serves with a Prince racquet. Del Potro and Raonic with a Wilson. Talent allows them to hit massive serves, not their racquets.
     
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  10. souledge

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    But since all racquets are not made equal, it goes without saying that some are better in certain attributes than others.
     
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  11. Ross K

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    Re the APD there's no doubt whatsoever in mind that it's a very spin-friendly frame, although of course "spin-friendly" is a relative concept. However, IMO spin per se isn't it's main feature so much as it's blasting power. Combine these two elements though, and you see why the racket is such a staple across the baselines of the world.

    Re spinniest frames I've played, well... I don't know... my first thoughts would be the 03 Tour and the later Exo 100 Tour, open pattern.
     
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  12. The Dark Knight

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    I agree with both statements.
     
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  13. KenC

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    Now I am really curious to know why people think they need a spin oriented racquet to produce more topspin. How is that spin monster racquet going to improve your game?
     
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  14. souledge

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    I don't want a topspin racquet as my main racquet. I just want one to mess around with and to hit the heaviest balls possible that do funky things off of bounces.

    I hit with enough topspin off my main racquet.
     
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  15. Power Player

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    For me it is more about trajectory. I can hit with spin using any stick, but I like the consistent net clearance I get with an open pattern and the bite I can get on the ball with an open pattern. It is more suited for me, a heavier topspin hitter. I like to hit deep and heavy with enough pace to keep my opponent behind the baseline, and I also prefer to get 5 feet or so of net clearance as often as possible. So an open pattern does help with this.

    My shot is the inside out forehand, and I find it is most effective with these types of sticks. I have demoed/owned enough to have figured this out.
     
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  16. souledge

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    Though I wonder, a lot of the spinnier sticks are lightweight and don't do well returning hard hit balls, POG Mid being an obvious exception.
     
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