What is the secret of the out-wide serve?

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  1. sureshs

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    What is the secret of the out-wide serve (rightie in deuce court)?

    Does the chest need to be more turned towards the side or is it a matter of racket trajectory to slice more on the outside of the ball or a combination of both?
     
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  2. LeeD

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    Ain't HOW you hit it, it's where you place the ball hit with a top/slice motion.
    Placed well to the left, the ball drops short of the service line, right near the sideline, pulling the return beyond the doubles court to reach the serve.
    My advice is to followthru well farther to your left than normal.
     
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  3. sureshs

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    I think you are saying the upper body is twisted more to the left through the impact. Follow-thru by itself does not do anything to the ball, as we know.
     
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  4. Roger's_Wicked_Slice

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    The "secret", for me, is disguise.

    Achieved by minuscule adjustments made at point of contact, swing path and maybe even grip over hundreds, nay thousands, of practice serves. I am sure some of the super-qualified coaches on here can give the technical breakdown of what happens, I unfortunately am not yet super-qualified although I am a licensed coach and aspire to become so!

    Too often you see players throw the ball way out to the right (or left for the lefties) and you instantly know they are going to carve round the ball and attempt to put you onto the next court or into the side fence with a big' ol' slice. So IF they do manage to nail a good slice serve, you are already a step ahead and should be able to make the return.
     
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    Actually, I'm saying the followthu change is all you need.
    Now it won't move your serve from the middle net tape to out wide for sure, but if your slice now goes to a rigthies forehand, the little change in FOLLOWTHRU gives you the extra 3' needed to force him beyond his doubles sidelines to reach your serve.
    Figure, the ball travels maybe SEVENTY FEET including bounce, right? You need only change the angle off your racket of less than a full degree to make the ball move 3 more feet!
    Consider that.
     
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  6. sureshs

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    Is grip slightly towards eastern BH rather than true conti?
     
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    A slight grip change is noticable to the returner. Prep position, angle of rackethead.
     
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  8. Relinquis

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    just change where you hit the ball, instead of hitting the ball directly on its back, hit it a bit more on its side. aim for the side of the service box, not the corner.

    Don't change the way you stand or your body position if you want disguise.

    spin can enhance the effect of the out-wide serve.
     
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    So you are advising placement at the expense of speed - basically a slice hit more on the side. That reduces the speed of the slice. Would it not be appropriate to throw some weight behind it by rotating the chest that way too?
     
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  10. LuckyR

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    By hitting the slice with a higher percentage of the racquet head speed going to spin instead of pace you will get two effects: first there will be more spin and therefore more darting to your left, second the ball will fall much shorter than the service line which will exaggerate the angle.
     
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  11. Nellie

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    try hitting the exact same serve with a slightly more forward toss/contact point
     
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  12. LeeD

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    Same swing, more foreward toss and contact point means picking up the serve after it hits the net.
    Wide serves, the net is higher, especially with singles sticks, and wide of the intersect, the court is shorter.
    So, you need a combination of topspin and sidespin, hit slower, but aimed wider than your normal wide slices.
     
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    The angle at which you hit the ball, loose wrists and at times, taking a bit of pace off to get that sharper angle..
     
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  14. NLBwell

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    Have a big serve down the middle, so the returner never expects you to hit it wide. Easy aces if he's leaning the other way.
     
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  15. Relinquis

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    no. you can hit a flat serve down the T, at the body, in the corner or out wide with pretty much the same body orientation. the difference is where you make contact on the ball, you hit through the ball in all cases.

    i don't hit the ball with my chest. i adjust arm/racquet/hand. i'm sure using high speed video at 720 fps you'll be able to notice minute differences in my body, but that's not what the focus is.

    if you are right handed and are serving from the ad court then a slice is not the right choice. hit flat or topspin. a slice, even if you were able to hit it wide would make the ball curl/bounce towards the opponent defeating the purpose of serving wide... from the deuce court, slice would enhance the out wide serve...
     
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    Thanks everyone. Seems like more spin on the outside of the ball at the expense of some pace is the key, with no other modifications needed.
     
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    Try this tip I give my pupils-
    Hit the ball at 1 or 2 o clock (if ball was a clock)

    Also throw your right shoulder into the ball
     
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    Biggest mod is WHERE ....LOCATION... over the net that you hit the ball.
    Clear net by as little as you can. So the ball lands WIDE of the side/service line intersects.
     
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    I strongly suspected there was more to it than just the slice position.
     
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    After you get the technique down, it's all about variation. At the last tournament I was playing at, I was playing a guy who was impressed with my flat serve up the middle (I was pushing mid to upper 120s according to him, which was an awesome stroke to my ego since he regularly hits with a guy who serves in that range and has been clocked at 131 mph), but he said I was killing him because he was so afraid of the flat one that he wasn't looking into the ones I was carving out wide. I honestly had more aces (1st and 2nd serves) with that slice out-wide. Never hurts to zone I guess, haha.
     
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  22. sureshs

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    Are you a genius or what? I did that today, and the results were amazing for the out-wide serve.

    What was more amazing was that throwing the right shoulder into the ball works for all serves. It just adds a whole new level of speed, spin and control.

    This is one of the best tips I have read on this forum.
     
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