What is Wrong with Nadal?!! Elephant in the Room

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  1. Orson Welles

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    It is obvious that something is physically wrong with Nadal and so why isn't anyone talking about it?! I agree that Djokiovic is playing great, but Nadal is a mere shadow of himself.

    There were three things about Nadal that we could always count on in the past even starting when he was as young as 17 years old. First, he was always lightening quick, faster than anyone. Second, he was extremely consistent. Third he had amazing stamina and could outlast anyone and never get tired. He became number one when he also developed some offense with his roll away and inside out forehands on top of his speed, consistency and stamina.

    However, in his last two matches against Djokovic Nadal has actually looked slow, inconsistent and fatigued. Since when does Nadal allow so many clean winners hit against him on a slow court? On many of those winners Nadal didn't even take one STEP to the ball, just watched it whiz by! Several times Nadal had to stop and bend over because he was obviously exhausted. The TV commentators just sat there ignoring this obvious issue because they are probably afraid to detract from the drama of the match if they talk about one of the player's physical problems.

    Nadal isn't talking about it either because he has already admitted that he doesn't want to keep talking about his physical problems. He mentioned this when he lost to Ferrer at the Australian Open and that's also why he refused to default and just kept playing against Ferrer even with a torn hamstring. He said he doesn't want to be known as the guy that is always injurred when he loses.

    Let's stop the charade and be honest. Something is physically wrong with Nadal. Let's all admit it and find out what it is. Is he sick, injured? Any ideas about what it is?
     
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  2. powerangle

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    Because the only reason Nadal ever loses is if there's something wrong or injured with him. You hit the nail on the head!
     
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  3. Bartelby

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    nadal hasn't yet worked out a way to win everything, surprisingly?
     
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    Nadal looked perfectly fine against Federer
     
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    Well, today right at the end I'm sure everybody saw he was bending down, holding his knees.

    We'll see in 10 days if this meant anything serious.
     
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  6. Fiji

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    Rumor has it Nadal contracted mono in thailand back in september
     
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  7. Buckethead

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    nothing is wrong with him. he just lost a match to the guy who hasn't lost any match this year.
    Nadal was lucky to win all those majors last year with people out of form or injured.
    Tennis changes really quick, 3 months ago, nobody would predict Djoker would not lose a match on HC, Raonic would be #34...
     
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    Seriously? He was outplayed, get used to it. It happens to everyone, even Fed and Nadal on top form!

    He was tired because Djoker was moving him around with very aggressive shots. He tired him out, and got winners as a result.
     
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  9. corners

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    I'm a ******* but I also think he didn't look quite right. However, could just be that we're not used to seeing him outplayed, but it does happen.
     
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    Nadal was 100%. Djokovic was the one who looked flat and around 50%. Still won though.
     
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  11. wy2sl0

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    As going through a tough bout of mono for 2 years, I can tell you the sweating thing shows signs.

    Nadal switched from an average sweater, to someone who drenches his shirts every half a set. There is something physically ailing him - I am not a Nadal fan either.

    Well I don't not like him.

    Saying that, there isn't much he could do to win today anyways. He didn't really go for his shots like he has in the past, and played far too passive. Served abysmally also.

    Djoker made alot of errors also though, he is just the better player right now.
     
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    Rafa was hitting really short and he struggled holding serve throughout the whole match, I'm surprised how much it went the distance.
     
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    Novak beat Nadal in Miami and Indian wells in 2007 and 2008. This is nothing new. Novak is simply better on hard courts. All his 9 wins are on hard courts. Nothing surprising about this year. Actually Nadal used to lose in straights to Novak so this year he is doing much better.
     
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  14. cork_screw

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    What's wrong with Nadal? Nothing. Are you kidding or retarded? Nadal was giving Djokovic a beat down in the first set just like in Indian Wells. His play just diminished slightly in the second set this time around and the third set was very tight, it could have went either way. It was a close tiebreak.

    Three sets in a tiebreak isn't a horrendous result. I still think he can play a complete match like he did the first set with djokovic and keep it up for the next set or even two if it's a grandslam. Djokovic was outplayed in both Indian Wells and Miami I was very surprised he came back the way he did.
     
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  15. crash1929

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    I agree. I thought something was wrong with Nadal at the Palm Springs Tournament. He's feet usaually move like the Roadrunner's but he was moving very slow. I pointed it out and no one else thought anything of it. He is moving slower. No doubt about it.
     
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  16. Tony48

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    When Nadal starts losing to Verdasco, that's when something is wrong.

    Today, Nadal was fine. He soundly destroyed Federer, so nothing is wrong with him. He played....ummm....the guy that was on a 23-match winning streak. The only thing wrong with him was that he wasn't Djokovic.
     
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  17. brn101s

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    Orson-I agree with you wholeheartedly.

    1st of all, either Nike Dri-Fit is beginning to suck, or Nadal is sweating a hell of alot more than the typical player (see today, and also Aussie Open against Tomic)

    Secondly, I definitely saw him with hands on knees looking winded or sick or something during that third set tiebreaker. .
    Also, when the match was over, there was a cutaway to Nadal with his head hung down, hands on knees again, sitting in his chair. (to be fair, this could have been disappointment at the loss though)
     
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  18. TMF

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    As usual...no credit given to the winner when rafa loses. To the OP, that lightning quick Nadal also lost to Berdych, Youzhny, feferero, etc. in 2006 hc. So losing to Novak shouldn't be surprise. Have some respect for Novak.
     
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    Novak just has his number on hard courts, who else can out muscle and out move Nadal ?

    He just bullied him at times today and in the heat it's gotta wear you down....

    I'd say Nedal is in better shape this year than last and look what he did from this point last year....
     
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  20. Orson Welles

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    Now THAT would explain it!
     
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  21. namelessone

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    What's wrong with Rafa?

    Serving issues coming back from injury in IW, some dips in form in second sets and having a horrendeous ROS in yesterday's final. But even so, the ONLY guy to beat him in IW and Miami was a red hot Djoker who COULDN'T MISS. And even so, Nadal took a set both times and was within a couple of points of ending Djoker's streak.

    Djoker has beaten Rafa in the past on HC but he was always the aggressor and usually delivered straight set beatdowns to Rafa. In both IW and Miami he followed a Nadal'ish gameplan but with the willingness to pull the trigger and flatten his shots once he got Nadal a bit off court. Djoker simply kept everything in, took control of the shots(especially with the BH) and ran Rafa left-right but he didn't commit to some crazy hitting. Most of Nole's winners were in open court with Rafa being far far away. There were very few winners where he wrong footed Rafa or made scorching DTL winners. He moved Rafa until he had some open court and then executed.
     
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  22. TheTruth

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    It could be just match rusty. In the past he's always needed to groove his game. Here it is April and this is only his third tour tournament of the year. He didn't seem to have his usual snap judgment, but each week he's gotten better, so all is well.
     
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  23. Orson Welles

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    Not only should you be banned for calling me "retarded" when I am twice as knowledgeable as you about tennis, but you are dead wrong and YOU must be the one who is retarded. It's not the score or the result: either you didn't see the match or you don't have the analytical skills to notice that Nadal was running much slower than usual in both matches. I'm actually not a Nadal fan but I have to be honest with myself. These are the only two matches where I've ever seen him not even attempt to run to many balls. Are you saying that you've seen him in past matches not even attempt to run for about 50-100 different shots that were hit by his opponent?!!
     
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    Yep, but only because Rodge made about 40 UEs and Djoker did not
     
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  25. Orson Welles

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    I agree with BRN101s and Crash. Disagree with TMF, Tony, 8PAQ, Blue Cat, Mansewer2, Buckethead and Totai. I especially disagree with Corkscrew who is not only dead wrong but rude.

    Djokovic is obviously a great player and he is generally playing great but he did not even play that well today and he didn't have to to win. Since when does Nadal have to defensively slice his backhand return numerous times off serves that he reaches easily and that are only 115 mph. Since when does Nadal look slow and not even run for about 50-100 balls in a match? Djokovitch had him the whole way physically; the only reason that it was close was that Djokovic was choking probably because he couldn't believe his luck that Nadal was so bad. That's how poorly Nadal played today and in the finals of Indian Wells.
     
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  26. namelessone

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    Djoker made 40 UE :twisted:

    He also made 40 winners.

    Nadal made 36 UE and 25 winners.
     
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  27. crash1929

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    i see your point as well. but don't you think he seems to be moving slower?
     
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    The other elephant in the room nobody is talking about is how amazing fit joker is. No body fat at all.

    In the long run though he might be too frail and develop injuries.
     
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    Nadal, as any other top player, has his ups and his downs.

    Normally he is so above his opponent that it doesn't matter, he just has to roll off those spiny moonballs of his (and mind you, they are not ordinary moonballs, Nadal's are poisonous and have thorns) and the other guy will start to drown in UEs, lose confidence and start to wince every time he sees them coming.

    Unless the other guy is Davydenko, or can take the early bounce as well as him. This is what basically happened yesterday. Nole's defense was top-notch: he was handling the high bounce or the early bounce superbly, and when the ball was short or the bounce in his wheelhouse he just teed off and dominated the point.

    When a guy like Nole is not swallowing the moonballs then it is time for plan B: going DTL or inside-out. And for plan B to work, Nadal must be near 100%, whether it is physically or mentally. You could see he was hesitating many times on whether to go for it or not.
     
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  30. namelessone

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    Nadal has been winning slams and masters since he was 19 years old. SIX YEARS HAVE PASSED. You didn't think he will lose a step? And Nadal has had his share of injuries and problems over the years and has a lot of mileage on those legs and knees.

    If you expect him to move around the court like a 19 year old you are deluded.
     
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    clearly Nadal was injured. you could see in his face he got injured by the end on the first set, but has a fighting spirit he his, he still managed to run around like a hound in the following two hours of match!

    what a champion

    :rolleyes:
     
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  34. Nextman916

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    well exactly for the reason you stated, he was facing CLEAN winners.
     
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    Nadal didn't play his best but Djokovic forced him to that in many of the points. Nadal's number of DFs was weird though, nothing like him, including avery crucial one in the last set's TB.
     
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  36. BreakPoint

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    There is absolutely nothing wrong with Nadal. Djokovic has just miraculously improved from last year out of nowhere and is now unbeatable. Just ask a guy by the name of Roger Federer.
     
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  37. MichaelNadal

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    He's not injured at all. The OP is a troll.
     
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    19-0. It was close though...
     
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    If there is an elephant in the room , then the room is the planet.

    nadal is fine, djoko is just a slight problem on hard courts for him at the moment. these matches are tight and can in a few months have been reversed due to wins over the nole on the red dirt IMO.
     
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  40. BreakPoint

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    Fourth. Nadal also played Doha before the AO.
     
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    Yeah I said something about it in pro match results a minute ago ;) Page 90
     
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    Toni will have him starched and ironed out by Madrid.

    btw, what is Nadal's schedule. Anyone care to post it. Is Monte the next stop ?
     
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    Doha doesn't count, does it? I thought it was an exhibition where they only played two matches.
     
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    replied to it. :)
     
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  45. Orson Welles

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    From GOAT to CHOAD

    Don't even dare compare Federer to Nadal. The guy is through. He has an incredibly weak backhand for a guy at that level. All he can do is slice and he frames his topspin attempts regularly. Frankly, he was always overrated and was just lucky that Nadal and Djokovic hadn't matured yet. All he had to do was beat up on Layton Hewitt, Roddick and old man Agassi for all those years that he racked up those slams. Big deal. So, I'm not that impressed that Djokovic finally owns Federer. It was about time. What took him so long?
     
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    It does count, it was a 250 event.

    The event you are talking about is Abu Dhabi, which was an exhibition.

    In Doha he lost in the semi finals to Davydenko.
     
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  47. Orson Welles

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    You must not have watched the match or you weren't paying attention if you think Nadal was normal in that match today. It's not the score or Djokovic. Look at the replay and OBSERVE Nadal's movement and shots.
     
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  48. Orson Welles

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    Name calling doesn't take any intelligence. You must be 9 years old. I can do that too you choad.
     
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    OK, this is incontrovertible proof that you are a troll.

    Yeah, a guy with 16 Slams (the most of all time) is "overrated"??? Don't make me laugh.

    Oh, and you must have missed Nadal's match vs. Federer in the WTF last year. Nadal didn't attempt to run for dozens of balls, either. When your opponent hits a clean winner, why waste your time trying to run down a ball you can't get to anyway. Nadal is not stupid.
     
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  50. Orson Welles

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    What will prove how messed up Nadal was today will be when you see him well again. You won't even recognize him as compared to today.

    At the Australian Open he was obviously ill against Tomic and he was moving in slow motion. The way he played he would have gotten killed in his next match which I think was against Cilic. Then he came out against Cilic and he was obviously feeling o.k. again and he was twice as fast as he was against Tomic. He was running like he had been shot out of a cannon. If he gets well again like that then Djokovic and the whole ATP can just kiss their ass goodbye once again.
     
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