What level is the guy in the white shirt?

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  1. [ GTR ]

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  2. TennisCJC

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    SWAG would be 5.0 but he looks young. He might have trouble winning against 5.0 adults.
     
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  3. ShoeShiner

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    Higher than NTRP 6.0.
     
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  4. rufus_smith

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    one is a pro
     
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    Sweet S&V at 1:30. Definitely 5.5. This is just a practice match, so seeing him under the real pressure of a match would make ranking him easier.
     
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    We need the true Judge here. Calling LeeD to tell everyone that he is a 3.5, maybe 4.0.
     
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  7. Thud and blunder

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    C'mon; 5.0's are rubbish...
     
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    I've seen local norcal 4.5s who would beat him. (But they are really 5.0 liars sand bagging.)
     
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    Prolly 6.5
     
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  10. sunof tennis

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    He is clearly 5.0+. At that point, a rating is pretty meaningless. He is no doubt a serious player and for serious players it is all about match wins and eventally ranking points.
     
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    whoever is saying 5.0 is clearly mistaken. watch a 5.0 play on video and you will see the obvious difference.
     
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  12. WildVolley

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    3.5 at best!

    It would be better to see actual match play. He's going high risk and mostly making it in this video. I'd like to see how he hits during a real match, as I don't think he'd be quite as loose and aggressive in match play. I'm not necessarily against low net clearance, but there's a lot of net skimming going on here.

    I thought he looked short, but maybe that other guy is very tall, and then I can read between the lines and see the guy is a junior. Hopefully, he'll grow a little taller. How's he doing in the Junior rankings?
     
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    he hit like an younger federer, however he still have much to learn before he plays like the now federer. Imagine playing in a younger federer body but has the skills of a experience federer. HE WOULD BE GOD
     
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    Clearly A/Open or 5.5. Both can play Futures and Q's with no problems.
    Woodrow, I can see why you are a head judge. You are totally biased and driven by preconceptions.
    4.5, they'd breadstick.
    7.0's, they get breadsticked by the top 50.
     
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    The guy is good no question about it. NTRP ratings are meaningless as he is clearly an open tournament player. Ranking wise who knows unless we can look him up. With that kind of skill who wants to be handicapped with ntrp ratings lol

    -Jon
     
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  16. woodrow1029

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    :)

    BTW, a 5.5 can play Q's AT futures, but in main draw, would not have much chance at all.
     
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    Really? I and everyone else didn't know that.
    Thanks for the enlightened insight :shock::shock:
    See, I was right about you.
     
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  18. treblings

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    have you figured out, who the player in the video is?:)
     
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  20. janm

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    Akira D. Santillan ? sorry don't know what happened to the link above
     
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  21. 5263

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    This guy could spot Cali 5.0s 3 games per set and win in straights.
    Looks better than those D1 players guys are often posting imo.
    Reminds me of the touch and feel of Genepri but with more power than
    Robby had at 16.
     
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  22. dominikk1985

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    well that guy is like 13-14 years old. He is really good, I would asume he is like top15 in the nation in his age group or better. he just needs to get taller and stronger than he will be a very good player probably world ranked.

    Of course he can now not play in the pros because he is too small but when he is 17-18 and fully grown he likely will be able to do so.
     
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  23. 5263

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    I think you need to take a second look :)
     
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    I think he's trying to be funny lol.

    -Jon
     
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    Santillan is a 15 year old australian whos ranked 350 in the itf juniors.
    i´m not familiar with ntrp, 4.5., 5.0.?
     
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    NTRP here is about as useful as a handbrake on a canoe.
     
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  27. 5263

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    I hope.....
     
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  28. Cheetah

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    No you haven't.
     
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    oh. ok.
    ....
     
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    Kinda looks the same level and size of a young donald young when I watched him practice at the 2007 us open. Isnt Donald like a 4.5 by some people's book in this forum? So he must be really a 3.5 am I right?

    You guys are ridonkolous! I remember Mark from his playing days on the tour. So that should give you this kids level.

    Love the comment about adult 5.0s giving him problems. This kids shot tolerance is thru the roof!
     
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  32. TomT

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    Agree. From my experience, these guys are exceptional ball strokers. If the kid in the white shirt is only 15, then it would seem that he could eventually become an extremely proficient tennis player ... maybe even a regular international tournament player on some level.

    EDIT: Who's Mark?
     
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    Mark Draper is the other player in the video who is a former pro. I searched up the guy is in the white shirt, hes qualified for a futures tournament before and is top 100 nationally in Australia.
     
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  34. 5263

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    Excellent comment.
     
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  35. dominikk1985

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    Is mark draper related to scott draper?
     
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    Looks like a top junior or low level open player.
     
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    we'll give em' the 6.0, but yeah
     
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    The kid is 15 and is playing international junior tourneys. Made the semi's in Japan this year.
     
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    Ok, thanks. Yeah, these guys are world class strokers, imho.
     
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    You really are utterly clueless.
     
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  43. WildVolley

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    What's the accepted NTRP of say a 16-year old who wins a Junior title at a major tournament like Wimbledon or the US Open? 6.0 or something higher? Obviously some of these champions go on to become top 100-players, but some probably never break into the top-100.
     
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    Is he really 15? he looks like 13 in that video. is that a current video?

    Maybe that is because he is asian:D. but serious skills. I would even say he is already as good as tonlars.
     
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    He looks about 15 ... to me. :)
     
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    Have a look at the winners of Junior Wimbledon and the other slams since 2000.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grand_Slam_boys%27_singles_champions

    No 'Norcal 4.5' is taking out of any of those guys even when they were 15-16 y/o.

    Have a look at his ITF singles record.

    No 'Norcal 4.5' is taking him out. Only the deluded would think that.
     
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  47. WildVolley

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    Yes, a lot of them become legitimate 7.0s who make a good living playing tennis on the tour. So perhaps would we rate this junior as a 5.5-6.0?

    I honestly don't really know the difference between a 5.5 and a 6.0. I've watched later to be successful Division 1 players at the high school level. Some of them played ugly but their later rankings suggest they were legitimate 5.5s. This kid is hitting a lot cleaner than those guys, but I still haven't seen him in match play. I'd provisionally rate him 6.0.
     
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    A 17yo who wins wimbledon at the juniors is usually already ranked like 500 in the WR. So he is already a pro player. I'm not sure where 7.0 begins but I would say 500 is at least 6.5.

    that guy is not a top junior yet though. he is like 350 in the world but also don't forget he is still young competing against guys 2-3 years older than him.

    Of course gasquet won multiple junior slams at age 15 (even took a set off the eventual winner costa in the first round) but that is really rare.
     
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    The definition of 7.0 is not skill based. It's income based.
     
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  50. dominikk1985

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    at what rank in the ATP are you making significant money?
     
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