what made that Zeppelin unreachable

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The greatest of all time bands is?

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  1. Led Zeppelin

    10 vote(s)
    23.8%
  2. Pink Floyd

    14 vote(s)
    33.3%
  3. The Who

    3 vote(s)
    7.1%
  4. Black Sabbath

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    0.0%
  5. Yes

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Deep Purple

    1 vote(s)
    2.4%
  7. Rush

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  8. AC DC

    2 vote(s)
    4.8%
  9. Rolling Stones

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  10. Queen

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    11.9%
  1. kiki

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    In another thread we have been debating which are the best R&R bands of all time.There are many excellent, some of which are all time greats.

    But IMO, what sets Led Zeppelin apart from any other is a conjunction of facts, talent, ability and atittudes.

    They were the only band to never edit a single album

    They were the only ones to break up when one of their members faltered

    They covered the widest range of music genres, blues, hard, even some methal, folk,arabic and indian


    Never cared about the press, the only ones who never depended on that

    Their life performances, still now, are considered the best and most exciting

    could improvise and play a song life in so many diverse ways

    Their 4 members are above the level musicians but their espiritual foundation, their perfect understanding and the joy of playing together made them a better result than the adittion of their individual talents.

    And, of course, there is that mistique

    No other group has been so influential, yet no other group has reached that level

    Jimmy Page is a true genious, Plant´s voice is the most amazing and charismatic, Jones is the most complete multinstrumentalist ever and, of course, Bonham was a revolutionary whose talent is almost unhuman

    Plant was the lungs, Bonzo the heart, Jones the mind and Page, simply the soul of that unique band, timeless.

    Boys and Guys, make no mistake.I love many bands like Who,Queen,AC DC,Deep Purple,CCR,LS,Sabbath,Cream,Humble Pie,Traffic,Rush,Yes,Pink Floyd,Kansas,King Crimson,Hendrix Eperience.

    But when we talk about R&R, Led Zeppelin is something else.
     
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    There was a British band in the 1960s that did pretty well that didn't make your list. Starts with a "B"?
     
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    Well, the reason the Fab 4 are not in my list is that I think they belong much more to pop music than rock music.I think, sometimes even Queen look very pop music to me.Now, I agree that Beatles are a cornerstone in modern music and the best ever pop music band.That would belong to another thread tough.Boston and Queen could be rounding the top three.
     
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    Bob Dylan strangely enough hasn't even been mentioned in any of the "greatest band" threads. Time was when he would have been undisputed top 5 (with The Beatles undisputed #1). But I guess the times they are a-changin'.
     
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    Well, there was burning hydrogen, thermite, a power line... Many things that could have gone a lot worse.
     
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    Not really a fan of them. Prefer Rush and probably Rainbow to most of the list. But that's just me of course.
     
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    The Beatles aren't on that list?

    Shameful, OP.
     
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    They don´t belong to Richard era.:twisted:
     
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    I'd have to lobby for Neil Young & Crazy Horse and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, too.
     
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    Raibow should be in the top 15.An interesting experiment with Ritchie,Dio and Cozzy.A mixture of DP and BS which was their common groove.

    Add here Motorhead,Judas,Iron maiden and Whitesnake, with Coverdale,Paice and Lord jon.
     
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    The Rolling Stones are greater than Led Zeppelin,no doubt about that...
     
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    They have become a bunch of clowns.Led would have never lowered so much.
     
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    Uh, well, most of these rock admirers are firstly old and grew up with these bands - they can't accept that there are some bands out their nowadays that have surpassed them; It's like the tennis debate - some of the older folks have a bias, I think I once read someone saying some dude in the 60's had better defensive skills than Djokovic ffs, what a joke.






    Anyway, a few of those bands are overrated. Queen couldn't even play live, AC DC are completely different to LZ, Where the hell is King Crimson? They were one of the first prog rock bands ever. I'm guessing the OP seems to believe everything in his/her day was the best. That is the real answer. Most people my age don't listen to LZ or PF, and the only people who really do are those who grew up with it.







    And no, Led Zeppelin didn't cover more genres than any other band. Try, uh, The Mars Volta for instance - Classic rock, Reggae, Salsa, prog rock, experimental, Spannish etc. Look at Dream Theatre or frikkin' Brainia; Most of those bands listed don't come near to the bands I've mentioned.







    I love how someone mentioned Bob Dylan, lol.



    But hey, I listen to all kinds of music, what would I know?
     
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    If we have to pick a band with great heyboards, that is, 5 memebers, then it is either Yes or Deep Purple....wiht John Paul Jones being almost as good on keyboards, thus making LZ sound like 5 guys out there¡¡¡
     
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    there is plenty of doubt about that.
     
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    an era where the true stars are the DJ and Computer specialists on music is weird and not even worthy mentioning.

    Dylan is one of the best; I mentioned bands non single musicians like him or Springsteen or even Zappa.
     
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    So true.As musicians they were great 2 of their 5 decades: the 60´s andf 70´s but the loses of Brian Jones and Mick Taylor were too much for their musician side to deal with.They had some good albums by late 70´s but that is it.

    Their other 3 decades, 60% of their career ,are to make money and be a complete set of clowns.It is their way, anyway.A shame but it is their decision.

    Yes, once upon a time, Rolling Stones were a band that made music.And some of the best music also.

    Since the 80´s they just make sucking spectacles
     
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    Pure ignorance. There are quite a few names in music who don't use auto tune or hide behind the studio who are very good. Quite funny since you mentioned Queen - a rock band who were famous for creating music they couldn't produce live. Why was that I wonder????
     
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    Like tennis, boxing and some other human activities, R&R music wrotte its epitaphe by 1995.
     
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    Kiki you know I love Led Zeppelin and consider them the greatest rock band ever. There are MANY young fans of Led Zeppelin too. See this article that covers the topic. Many of the reasons below explain their greatness. Since 1980, what band has surpassed them and how so? I say none.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/spotify/20-things-that-affirm-led-zeppelin-is-the-greatest-band-to-e

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    What is this nonsense?

    You are full of 5hit, none of what you are saying is fact in any way shape or form. Boxing? Yeah, cuz Calzaghe, Mayweather etc won't be remembered :roll:. Tennis? Why the hell do you post on a tennis forum if you think tennis has been dead since 1995?
     
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    How many bands, other than LZ can presume to have 30 songs of the very high level, such a compact production with just few arrangements?
     
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  23. kiki

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    when were you born kid?
     
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    Who cares about the arrangements? Shouldn't whether is sounds good or not matter the most? At The drive in, TMV, Dream theatre, King Crimson, Braniac never did less than good songs.





    But hey, rock, tennis and boxing has been dead since '95, who am I to agrue? :roll:
     
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    Don't patronise me, I'm not some kid, I was born '91, and yes, have studied music at degree level (although Network System Security is what I'm studying and maybe cryptography some day) and play the guitar. just because I'm wasn't born in the 70's doesn't mean I don't have a right to an opinion.
     
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    There is a decent way to state an opinion. And starting with :"you're full of ****" isn't one of them.

    Teens deal in extremes, i.e. No middle ground. I think that's what his point was.

    You could have said :"I understand your point but I have to disagree because... "
     
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    Interesting discussion.
    Sad that this forum in general only deals in ultimates.
    GOAT Tennis player. GOAT Band. GOAT this GOAT that.

    As in all walks of life arguments can be made for any of the top tier bands.
    I personally consider Floyd greater than Zeppelin but only for the reason that their sounds and lyrics resonate more with me.
    I don't enjoy listening to the Beatles, but that hardly means they don't belong in any "greatest ever" lineup.
    For me, the Doors belong there, though many deem them overrated.

    Give Dylan the voice of Cash or Cash the lyrical mastery of Dylan and there would be no debate :)

    Same goes for Classical composers, how can anyone chose who is greater between Bach, Mozart, Haendel, Beethoven?

    I love reading opinions backed by arguments, but the general approach here is unfortunately "you suck, i know better therefore X > Y".
     
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    Led Zeppelin winning the pool.

    Maybe not the best acustic section and not maybe the best rythmic section...but certainly the best combination of rythmic and acustic/solist section in one band.The only other band that gets close is Yes ( Squire and Brufford/Wakeman,Howe,Anderson) and Who (Moon,Entwisthle/Townshend,Daltrey).

    DP had four greats but Glover was not at their level.Same for Black Sabbath.Lee and Peart are as good as any and Lifeson is a great guitar but not at Blackmore or Page level.
     
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    For me it was Page's guitaring that made Led Zepp stand out. It just soooooo smooth.

    However on more than one occassion I've wished that Robert Plant just shut up. :lol:
     
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    Robert Plant had an amazing range when younger; his voice just got heavier because of smoking and drinking, but he also gained in maturity.

    I remember, well off his peak days when he was doing the introduction to Lenny Kravitz.it was a life cocnert and nobody remember what happened after Plant´s two or three songs were sang.Nobody remember anything from Kravitz.And Plant was around 40 and past his best days.
     
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    Blackmore (DP/BS) versus Page?:)
     
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    May I say Plant is studio good while Gillan is concert good throughout?
     
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    Not at all.Plant was better live than at studio during many many years.But I like a lot IG.His pitch notes are truly his masterwork.

    Ritchie is an all time great lead guitar.A complete a.sshole but you just forgive him when you listen to any of his inspired high and low scale riffs.Jon Lord is the best keyboardist for hard rock while Rick Wakeman is for prog rock.Ian Paice was a beast drummer, he is only behind the three all time greats that set the standarts for this instrument.Glover was solid but felt short of the amazing quality of the other 4 guys.I love Deep Purple.But they still felt short of the Zeppelin.
     
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    Fair enough.
     
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    Deep Purple had great personality.One of the very few bands on the blues/hard rock context you can listen during many hours and not feel the inmediate need to get back to Zepplin.

    I´d also add Who,Black Sabbath,Cream,Humble Pie,Lynnyrd,AC DC and maybe, for a bit while Guns and Roses and Aerosmith or Kiss, those bands deserve to be listened to a long while.If we talk about pure blues/Hard rock bands.
     
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    Maybe the fact that they were floating up in the sky ?
     
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    Yet so were the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Who, Cream, and Pink Floyd. There must have been something in the water back then. Where did all that music come from? What a great time for rock music!
     
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    Led Zeppelin did combine so many elements, but as a rock band, they were so much more than the sum of their parts. When those four played, they created rock and roll magic. That's the only way I can describe it. I've listened to them a long time and I still sometimes hear little subtle notes and instruments during songs I've listened to since the 1980's. I was too young to ever see Zeppelin live. What's interesting is that so many young rock fans start listening to Zeppelin. They pick up new fans daily. Led Zeppelin 3, released in 1970, was later ollowed by a epic trilogy of albums: Led Zeppelin 4, Physical Graffiti, and Houses of the Holy.

    Here are some great tracks off Led Zeppelin 3!!:

    Immigrant Song

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjlJBmwF3PI

    Friends

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM9JwxHcOso

    Celebration Day

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQdiHIZgSo

    Out on the Tiles

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8J9iyYFyeA

    Gallows Pole

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMW2lbNVaXY

    Tangerine

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCFDo3XSUsQ

    That's the Way

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TANKvE3sI3w

    Bron-Y-Aur Stomp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgMwMjj7UJQ
     
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    This is a nice tribute thread to Led Zeppelin. I believe those who consider themselves true fans of the rock & roll genre must, at some point, come through Zeppelin. From there, further discovery flourishes and it becomes apparent you really can't say there is a "best" band of all time. That said, I believe The Beatles transcend the entire argument. Perhaps that is why they are left off the poll...
     
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  40. monfed

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    Page's best work is Stairway and I think it's hard to top that. ;)

    That being said I'm not fond of Page's live work on Stairway.
     
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    75 perf was better than 73
     
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    I think Led Zeppelin had the greatest ensemble of musicians of any band put together. Let's see, Bonham-greatest drummer ever, Page -greatest guitarist( there's Hendrix but he makes different sorta music), Plant(considered by many to be the greatest vocalist, not to my taste though) and JPJ who's easily top 10. So it's hard to argue with such a masterful and iconic lineup. The fact that they disbanded on Bonham's early demise just shows that each member was irreplaceable and their music just wouldn't be the same without one or the other. That speaks volumes about the band. Their music struck a chord with a wide range of audiences, it was deep, soulful and yet not pretentious(*cough Radiohead *cough*)
    And let's face it, Led Zepp were pioneers, they influenced a whole generation of rock musicians to follow. Their concerts were a once in a lifetime experience for most people and they were mostly sold out and from what I've heard Bonham would go absolutely apeshit on the drums, a sight to behold by most accounts.
     
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    Zappa was a better guitarist than Page.
     
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    Zappa was different; You can't compare. Zappa was more of a jokester, but a genius at the same time.
     
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    Weren't they all shot down eventually ?
     
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    The best of Led Zeppelin doesn't even come close to the best of Radiohead - another level completely.
     
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    give it a rest.
     
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    Give what a rest? I've hardly posted in this thread
     
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    Hard to say what his best work is,..too many to parse...How Many More Times, Since I've Been Loving Your, The solo on For Your Life, Achilies.....the list goes on an on.
     
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