What must Djokovic do in order to win Wimbledon again??

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  1. Nathaniel_Near

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    I'm too lazy to present my ideas.

    Discuss.

    I will update this thread as suggestions come forth:

    - Avoid Nadal, Murray and Federer in good form/ favourable draw (such as Federer and Nadal both appear in Murray's half).
    - Improve his movement specifically on grass.

    - Must have a very fine returning performance.

    On points like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz7qnVNbp2E&feature=player_detailpage#t=265s Nole either needs to hit a way better lob and take his touch to the next level, or have the bravery to whip or flick a pass. Such success again at Wimbledon could very much depend on a moment or two like this.

    - Be more committed to the pass.
    - Has the talent, just needs to put a great two weeks together as he's proven he can do 6 times previously.
    - Overheads, silly!
    - Play at his normal level.
    -Win the final. /thread
     
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  2. President

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    Avoiding any of the other top 4 players in good form is the only way he will win.
     
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    He needs to improve his movement on the surface.
     
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    Technically he leaves a lot to be desired on grass, his volleys and overheads are both god-awful and his ability to handle low balls (way more prevalent on grass) is not the best, especially compared to other top players. As the above poster said his movement is also not the best on grass, he lacks really precise footwork and relies more on flexibility and athleticism to move. Same reason he struggles in the wind compared to the other top players, they have better technical footwork.
     
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  5. Kahlz

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    He just needs to party like it's 2011. That reference would sound a lot better if 2011 even remotely rhymed with 1999.
     
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    Show up.

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  7. Nathaniel_Near

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    Djokovic's strengths in general:

    -Fantastic baseline consistency
    -Very good at redirecting the ball
    -Superb return
    -Good droppers and lobs
    -Formidable athleticism and speed
    -Defence to attack capability is sometimes extraordinary.


    Aspects that are fairly good, if but not huge strengths:

    -Passing shots
    -Serve
    -Shot-making finesse
    -Footwork


    Mediocre (relatively) aspects to his game:

    -Volley
    -Transition
    -Slice
    -Variety
    -Overhead

    Aspects that are weaker relatively on grass compared to his play on other surfaces:

    -Movement


    The problem with grass is, a lot of the things that are highly valued in order to succeed there are not part of Nole's highest strengths, but fit in more with guys like Nadal and Federer's highest strengths. I'm thinking about shot-making finesse, footwork, passing shots (currently Nadal), serve (currently Federer). Also the aspects of Nole's game that are relatively mediocre to the rest of his game happen to be aspects that are more important than usual to get the win at Wimbledon as compared to the other Majors; volley, slice, variety, overhead. Even one of Nole's most impressive strengths is relatively negated compared to the usual because of the surface and his ability to adapt his movement for the surface -- movement.


    So, Nole's game isn't badly suited to grass as such, but as proven over many years now, his natural biggest strengths are not as apt for grass as for at least 2 of the 3 other top players. The required parameters that one needs to excel in order to win here on grass and just in general on natural surfaces (quick adaptations with footwork, shot-making finesse, variety, passing shots) are ones that Nole possesses in fair quantity, but not in an overwhelmingly rich abundance.

    One thing that he does have going for him in a huge way is his return of serve.
     
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  9. sbengte

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    Refrain from hitting overheads.

    And FWIW, bring this man back into his team.

    [​IMG]

    (where is that gif of dr igor blowing kisses at Wimbledon ?)
     
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    His return game needs to be out of this world (per usual), so he can take control of points more often and redirect the pressure. As others said, he needs to improve his volleying skills and movement on grass.

    All of that said, if he avoids the other Big 4 or just happens to play a mentally perfect match while they don't he could win it with his current game potentially. Even with today's ultra-consistent Big 4 sometimes things just work out your way and that could happen for Novak this tournament. Novak's as much a favorite as almost anyone IMO, if not simply for the fact that he's the #1 player in the world.
     
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    I have to wonder how many players will now try the tactic.

    Novak lost to Rafa at Olympic SF on an overhead miss that went long. Rafa has successfully used the tactic against him in the past.
     
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    Avoiding the big four would be the easiest way, but if he can just manage to only have to play Nadal he could have a chance. I would give him a 50/50 shot at beating Nadal, while less to beat Fed/Murray.
     
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  14. Bhagi Katbamna

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    It is going to be tough for him to play that well. That year, against the big players he just didn't miss. It seemed like he never hit the ball into the net or long.
     
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    Avoid anyone with a single hander!
     
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    Not a whole lot really. He's got the talent. It's an easy answer I know, but he just needs to put it all together for 2 weeks and peak at the end.
     
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  17. 5555

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    Bookmakers claim that Djokovic is the 1st favorite to win Wimbledon. Bookmakers are generally the most accurate forecasters when compared with statistical systems or expert predictions (reference: Boulier, B.L. and Stekler, H.O. (2003), ‘Predicting the outcomes of national football league games’, International Journal of Forecasting, 19(2), 257–270).
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    It isn't hard to claim the world no.1 is favourite for a tournament. Bookmakers go with the flow of the current facts where as 'expert predictions' often try to buck trends.


    How will our 'amateur' predictions fair. ;)
     
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  19. ScottleeSV

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    I don't think he needs to change an awful lot, tbh.

    He was the champion in 2011 (battering Nadal in the process), and last year only lost to an in-form Fed indoors.

    If anything, he maybe needs to look at the Federer semi final tape from last year and see what he could improve if the same match came along again. Aside from that, a worthy tournament favourite imo.
     
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  20. Gandalf

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    He needs to retire, along with Nadal and Federer, so the same 5 people could stop making 20+ dumb threads every day.
     
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  21. Clarky21

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    Face Nadal in the final again. All he has to do is skate through the rest of his draw and the trophy is his.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    'Sup champ? Make a thread or two yourself that discuss some other things that are fresh for the forum. Let's make it happen.
     
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    Pray? :) I don't think Djokovic is going to win W this year. Will he win it again? He may.
     
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    LMAO. Djokovic is the worst of the big four on grass imo.
     
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    'Ts pointless, slick. That wont make the same 5 people stop making 20+ dumb threads every day.
     
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    But we can discuss new things that you would find interesting and maybe others would find interesting that us regular thread makers just haven't properly thought about or considered. You can give the forum a small percentage increase of improvement, and every little helps.
     
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  27. Clarky21

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    He still beat Nadal in the final at Wimby. Worst or not he can beat Nadal anywhere.
     
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    avoid in-form federer/murray. He is capable of taking down a slightly below par nadal as we saw in wim 11.

    he was hitting the ball cleaner in wim 12 when compared to wim 11 till the QF, but he upped his level in the semi and final in wim 11, but got taken down by federer in wim 12 ....

    oh and get the simple overheads right !
     
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    The overheads are just ridiculous with this guy. Can't fathom how he can be so poor at them.
     
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    Apparently not at RG. Don't let those pesky little things like facts get in the way of posting!
     
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    Not at RG yet but it's going to happen eventually. The fact is, he beat Nadal on grass in a Wimby final which is his worst surface. Don't let that pesky little fact get in your way, either.
     
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    I didn't post inaccurate info you did. I was specifically refuting a statistic that was mentioned by the commentators ad nauseous for the last few years regarding the 1 loss Nadal had at RG.
     
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    Personally I'm a huge fan of his overhead :)
     
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    What must Djokovic do?
     
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    He lost to Nadal in the 2008 Olympics with a crappy overhead.
     
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  36. Clarky21

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    Me too. :)
     
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  37. Cesc Fabregas

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    Doesn't have to do anything. If he plays his normal level he's got a good chance to win.
     
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    True, but Djokovic does not seem to be playing as well as he was in 2011 when he won that W title. I really think Djokovic is the weakest of the top four on grass.
     
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    She means off clay obviously. On hc I would give Djokovic a pretty big advantage over Nadal but not sure I can say same on grass.
     
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    Sorry, but that crap doesn't fly, that was the post. And if you saw the response it was, well Novak will win next year discussing the future. Clarkey has said that Novak would win in 2011, 2012, and 2013. Great track record there.
     
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    He cannot beat Nadal anywhere. Jeeze you highlighted it, and ignored oh, RG, where Novak hasn't had a great record at all prior to 2011.

    And yet, Nadal still beat him after a 7 month layoff, where Nadal has been playing a lot, and Novak not as much.
     
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    She has a terrible track record but it is true that we don't know if Nadal can beat Djokovic in an off-clay slam currently. He has not done it since 2010. I think Nadal can do it, but we don't know for sure yet.
     
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    No, but it was an absolute post, which is how Clarkey posts. Novak has been quite spotty since AO this year. Rafa has been below his previous years, whether its because of the injury or aging, so making an absolute is just flawed. Sure, Novak is the favorite, but quite frankly, I think Murray is the real favorite here.
     
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  44. Cesc Fabregas

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    Some people in this thread are making out Djokovic is a complete clown on grass, he's a Wimbledon champ ffs. He can beat anyone on grass and if he's holding the Wimbledon trophy this year I wouldn't be that surprised.
     
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    Great post. He must also consult Herr Sentinel for tips and tricks.

     
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    I'm not sure that folks are saying he's a clown on grass, I think you were the only one to use that term. Yes, he's a Wimbledon champ, and could win it again this year. But, he does have flaws in his grass game, and may not win it as well.
     
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    he should do his mr Planet of the Apes / King Kong routine before the matches and freak out his opponents..

    its either that or shag a haddock.
     
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    I don't know Nate! I'm known to be very charismatic among certain circles but I can't imagine it working on the internet! LOL!

     
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    I notice now that you used to post here but it's been a couple of years, what gives?!
     
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