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  1. Maximagq

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    Yeah that's a good assessment. My serve has always been my weakness. It's also tough to pass this guy.
     
  2. Mr.Lob

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    Yeah, your opponent usually came in on deep well placed approach shots... which is a difficult pass. I didn't think your serve a weakness, as opponent really not able to tee off on it, or gain an advantage. You just didn't get many "free" points from service winners or aces. Anyhow, thought you hit really well.
     
  3. SpinToWin

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    I looked at the whole video and if there was one thing I'd have advised your past self (don't know how you play now) it is to step into the backhand when the ball comes short. So often he played a short ball to your backhand and you were glued to the baseline, taking it too high or on the drop, when you could have easily finished the point by stepping in and taking it on the rise. Being a baseliner is fine, but a transition game for when the opponent is getting short is good to have (see Nadal). Another shot which could need some improvement is the backhand slice. It seemed like an awkward shot to you in the video, without much spin or penetration. Against the APD players at that level, it is a very effective shot, as they are used to topspin baseline bashing and hate a game of variety.
     
  4. SpinToWin

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    but seriously, your opponent is one of the guys where at the change of ends I'd hurl a bunch of insults at him concerning his grunt. Hate people who sound like that. He's not a freaking women at childbirth for god's sake!
     
  5. Maximagq

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    Grunting doesn't bother. I'm only focused ony my game and my side of the court and as long as my opponent doesn't cheat, it doesn't bother me much.
     
  6. Maximagq

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    Bump, what NTRP is this? The more views the better please
     
  7. gmatheis

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    I went and watched it again for you ... didn't bust out of the ad or anything :)
     
  8. Topspin Shot

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    Matt, just check with TW that soliciting your video here is okay.
     
  9. leroy_sunset

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    Definitely better to just put the ads on, and be sly about it. But I'll give you another view, for fun.
     
  10. navigator

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    Looks like 5.0+ to me. While I'm highly skeptical of the value of NTRP ratings I must admit that, at the same time, I'm fascinated by them…

    This thread is hysterical… I'm new here, so the escapades of LeeD, apparently familiar to most here, are really something.
     
  11. Maximagq

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    Thanks for the responses guys.
     
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    sounds about right. The guy you were playing grunts way too much, I couldn't stand people who did that :evil:.

    This reminds me of the top 3 players on my high school team (we had a few players who were being heavily recruited from top schools, one almost went to stanford but chose an ivy to play tennis for). Very sound technique, I really liked your follow through on your backhand.

    I am a 4.0 NTRP and was a doubles player most of my high school career. Due to injuries, I was kicked off the team eventually.
     
  13. West Coast Ace

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    This thread is going to get interesting now that @Maximagg has gotten his pesky education out of the way. Time for some 5.0 tournaments.

    You need to get down to the South Bay for a hit this summer.
     
  14. Maximagq

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    Edited because the poster I am responding to is an idiot......
     
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    I played with an 11/12 year old girl and she beat a 5.5 futures player/coach at Boleterri's academy!

    Two summers ago I was at NB's and a drill that was supposed to be play the coach and learn from him with adult campers rotating out turned into a 15 minute unprofessional one on one shellacking of multiple point play as the two ladies in my group simply excused themselves from the drill.

    The coach was a jerk and took perverse pride in beating up on the worst player at NB's by far that week...a 3.0 at best I was two years ago.

    I speak a bit of Russian and served in a visible position in Almaty some time ago and was chatting with this older Russian Kazakh lady at the pool. She said the academy had sponsored her daughter. I was there with an Uzbek kid that I sponsored and his mom and the girl's mom became quick bedfellows after I introduced them. I acted as a chauffeur for the six of us for the week taking them to such fine eateries as Applebees and Dino's Rib Shack.

    The girl came over to the adult camp and noticed the Latin instructor beating up on me as she was talking to her mother. The girl walks over, high-fives me, and assumes my place in the drill...which is serve and play out the point...the dude's face went from smug to sheer terror. he tried to excuse himself but a few words from the other coaches persuaded him to stay and play.

    The girl..who was 11 or 12..proceeds to win every point for the next 4 minutes against a grown man who played satellites. It was awesome.

    So yes, a prepubescent girl can beat a 5.5 male player!
     
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    I find that very impressive, though a little incredulous.
     
  17. Aurellian

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    I often tell the story and leave out the caveat that the girl is believed to be the next Azharenka...a fact unbeknownst to me at the time. The confidence that she displayed to challenge a grown man was most impressive...and the fact that she had carte blanche at NB's to pull off a stunt like that!
     
  18. Maximagq

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    What is her name? Ask her to sign a tennis ball for Maximagq if I ever come out to Florida!
     
  19. justinmadison

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    Nice story but no chance it is true.
     
  20. Avles

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    How fascinating!

    No pornographic stories in the Adult League and Tournament talk forum please. Those belong in Odds and Ends.

    Thank you for letting us know about the ethnicity of the instructor. Little details like that can make a seemingly implausible story truly come to life.
     
  21. Aurellian

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    100% true. In fact, it's kind of a legend at Nick Boleterri's. I keep in touch with one of the instructors and she still mentions the event almost two summers later.
     
  22. KineticChain

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    there's definitely some missing information to that story
     
  23. Aurellian

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    Uzbekistan is a country--it borders Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan--it has nothing to do with pornography. Ethnic Russians live throughout the Stans. Uzbekistan has a fairly robust tennis program and features such pros as Istomin and another masculine female who has visited my prior residence in Tashkent on more than one occasion. I was not into tennis when I served in the Stans.

    This particular instructor was known as an *** at Boleterri's and there are numerous anecdotes about him favoring Latinos who attended the camp...including him getting frisky with his Latin adult campers. The week that I was there he focused at least 75% of his time on the Latino contingent. It was blatant and unprofessional...including his constant communication in Spanish...he was cocky and a jerk and would beat up on his non-Latino male students. He would smack winners, hit professional drop shots, and toy with the males in his drills. Myself and another young Alpha male type received the brunt of this conduct. I had been playing for less than six months so I gained very little from my lessons with him.



    The story has actually been repeated on the net and is known throughout the staff at IMG!
     
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  24. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Nah, that seems reasonable, there are some phenomenal kids in that age group at the very top end, and they also tend to thrive on 'drill situations' like that..

    (there you go, I am agreeing with Aurellian, how about that??)
     
  25. Avles

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    Thanks for the geography lesson, but I was referring to your statement that the two moms became "quick bedfellows." I always thought that what happens in Bradenton, stays in Bradenton.
     
  26. Aurellian

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    You are welcome. In this context, bedfellows means one that is closely associated or allied with another. There is nothing untoward about the term.
     
  27. Topspin Shot

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    Not buying it.
     
  28. Avles

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    Ah, ok, glad we got that cleared up!

    Anyway, if we take your story seriously, I can only think of one Kazakh ex-IMG student who might have been touted as the next Azarenka-- if that's the person you're talking about, she certainly seems like quite a talent (though she's fallen off the map a bit this year, not sure what the deal with that is).

    Still dubious that she could beat a genuine Futures player at age 12 though (she recently lost in straight sets to players ranked 876 and 1003 in the WTA). Maybe she won a few points in drill.
     
  29. Aurellian

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    wow, you are better than some of the 1811s in my office:)

    As for Nick Bollettieri he said about her: "This girl is particular. This girl is a tigress. Remember her name. She has a perfect coordination, her concentration is the same. She has incredible blows from the right as well as from the left, they are, like lasers, strong and accurate and this all was the answer to the blows that an adult man sent to her. The game by the net is also impressive. She has the fastest and the most dexterous legs since the time of Tracy Austin. This child is unbelievable, the best player of her age that I’ve ever seen. And even more!”

    Not sure why you want to belittle a child's achievement as just winning a few points in a drill. I think it's impressive for a little girl to beat a grown man in anything save gymnastics!
     
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  30. justinmadison

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    A 5.5 male player does not play "server and play out the point" drills with 3.0 players. They would not even be able to rally at full speed much less play a live point.

    A 5.5 male player does not feel terror when he thinks he is about to play a 12 year old girl.
     
  31. Topspin Shot

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    Again, not buying it.
     
  32. Aurellian

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    Can you read? It was a drill at Nick Boleterri's camp. You can play with an All-American female, Ryan Harrison and his pops, and a bunch of other unnamed pros if you drop the 1500 for 20 hours at Nicky B's camp.

    Heck, you can even have Nicky B himself feed you balls for a g an hour.

    At the Bangkok racket club for 3000 bhat you can have that Thai dude former top 10 married to Miss Canada be your hitting partner.

    You are either confused or can't read, Bro.
     
  33. ttbrowne

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    Scenario: You're a 5.5. You've played a thousand matches against all kinds of levels. You've probably had the opportunity to play/hit against some of the top icons in tennis. You've landed one of the best jobs in the country and then you suddenly you are TERRORIZED by a 11-12 year old girl's game.
    Uh....no.
     
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    As for Nick Bollettieri he said about her: "This girl is particular. This girl is a tigress. Remember her name. She has a perfect coordination, her concentration is the same. She has incredible blows from the right as well as from the left, they are, like lasers, strong and accurate and this all was the answer to the blows that an adult man sent to her. The game by the net is also impressive. She has the fastest and the most dexterous legs since the time of Tracy Austin. This child is unbelievable, the best player of her age that I’ve ever seen. And even more!”

    And, as everyone knows, Nick has never, ever engaged in any drooling, breathless hyperbole about the youngsters in his camp.

    Glad you're back Aurellian. How's that "power drop shot" (as I believe you termed it) of yours working these days?
     
  35. KineticChain

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    its more likely that he was "beat" in the sense that djoker or nadal lets a kid beat up on them during exhibitions when they call little kids from the crowd to play against. and of course the adults hype it up because of the feel-good nature of a little girl beating a pro man. that's how myths get created and hyped... each retelling of the tale adds more and more inaccuracies
     
  36. beernutz

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    You all are obviously forgetting that LeeD could throw a football 70 yards in the air as a 105 pound 12 year old. Given that, how unlikely is it that a grown semi-pro male tennis player was terrified of hitting with a 12 year old girl?
     
  37. justinmadison

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    You can pay all the money you want and you still will not be able to play live points with a male 5.5 player.

    BTW It's not considered playing if you are just standing on the court watching the ball come to your side, bounce, and hit the back fence.

    Sure, the 5.5 guy can hand feed you some balls. Is that what you mean?
     
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    It did require some pretty intense investigation.

    Not belittling anything, just saying that winning a few points in a drill (if that is what actually happened) is very different from winning a match, which your original post definitely implied.

    Maybe there's a kernel of truth to your story (still not sure that you're not making it all up). But some of its little details seem subjective at best--the "look of terror" on the face of the pro for example. Basically your story doesn't inspire confidence that we're getting an accurate and unvarnished account of whatever happened.
     
  39. LeeD

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    Beernutz....
    At 12, I was closer to 60 lbs, around 7th grade.
    My longest throws were off cement streets, counting the number of houses (each 25'), usually clearing 8 houses. Obviously, no helmet, no pads, no cleats. The maps have been posted numerous times.
    Throws were off a 7 step running start, direction was S, against a slight cross headwind that was usually SW in direction. Never threw the other direction, as more power lines were located lower and more densely.
    Now at 65, I can still easily throw over 45 yards first time, no warmups.
     
  40. cincyMike

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    Forgive me because I have only been on these boards a short while, but in that short period of time I have seen more posts about the legend that is LeeD than I have of relevant tennis posts on this whole forum.. How did you become this epic legend where your name comes up in about every thread someone starts? I almost feel like I need to ask for your autograph or something. I'm sure its a long running thing but would love the backstory on this.
     
  41. LeeD

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    Read my last 20 posts, then decide for yourself if it's all about ME or maybe some advice is for the original poster.
    When someone directly addresses me using my NAME, I feel it's OK to reply to the dig, wouldn't you?
    Remember, ALL our advice is based on our own experiences. In the case of football throws, it's one criteria for serving fast, having the skills to throw a baseball, football, or javelin is extremely important for fast service speeds. NOT vital, but since this is an AMERICAN forum, baseball and football is applicable to most of us.
    EVERYONE has thrown a baseball or football, right?
     
  42. tennis_ocd

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    25 ft x 8 houses = 200 ft. For shear awesomeness perspective, the 2013 NFL Punt, Pass and Kick National 13 year old Champion threw for 162 ft. The 15 y.o. boy got to almost 183 ft.

    But what I think even more amazing is that you went out on the street to play some 53 years ago and have a vivid recollection of wind speed and direction.

    GOAT.
     
  43. LeeD

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    My 6th grade teacher said I should compete in punt pass and kick, but that would be 1960, before P,P, and K, got established, and not in SanFrancisco.
    By 8th grade, I could throw that distance, but not kick or punt, since throwing a football in front of the house involved threading the needle between powerlines, both telephone and electricity. Nobody really kicked thru the overstreet wires.
    I couldn't punt over 50 yards until 11 grade, nor kick over 32 yards till then.
    MikeHolmgren was our QB during my first varsity football season. I spent the the first part of the season in a right lower leg cast, so shagged errant long throws for the team in practice. I could easily throw the ball back 70 yards in the air, sometimes slightly farther.
    Coach Holland and his assistant coach Palmer said I should have thrown javelin for track, but I was playing varsity basketball in the spring semester.
    Before I started tennis at age 24, I'd already broken my left collarbone once, sustained TWO compound fractures of my legs (one each), and dislocated my shoulder hitting the reef surfing on Oahu.
     
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    I play tennis and serve left handed, and throw right handed. I have no skills whatsoever throwing left handed. I've never had my serve speed clocked, but based on others who have I'm guessing my fastest serves clock in around 110 or so. So not extremely important in my case.
     
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    So, you gotta wonder, "how fast would YOU serve if you served right handed" ??????
    Throwing and serving a similar motions, not the same.
    I'd think my left serves, on a 75 degree day, would be about the same as yours, but my RIGHTIE serve would barely break 65 mph for flat serves.
     
  46. mikeler

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    It's all about you. This has nothing to do with NTRP.
     
  47. LeeD

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    Direct answer to post 192.
    If someone asked YOU a question, would you bother to reply?
    I replied.
    Beernutz started the conversation, mentioning me by name, and got some facts mixed up wrong. I corrected Beernutz, and post 192 replied directly to my post.
    What's YOUR problem? Are you feeling neglected and lonely, ignored and forgotten?
     
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    In no way was I trying to say that you make it about yourself, but someone else usually brings up your name. I actually wasn't sure if you guys all have some long running joke but I was assuming its all in good humor. I just asked out of curiosity more than anything.
     
  49. mikeler

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    Typically when LeeD jumps into a thread, he will eventually go into a "Glory Days" mode. He has made some dubious claims in the past of kicking or throwing balls long distances. His NTRP rating changes every other post as well.
     
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    The way I was raised, if someone mentions me by name, and quotes some facts WRONG, I would try to answer and explain.
    I didn't initiate the course change, Beernutz get's credit for that.
    I have no reason why Mikeler would chime in, when it's between Beernutz and me. Beernutz can defend himself quite well, and doesn't need help.
     

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