What NTRP is this?

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by Maximagq, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. tennis_ocd

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    Perhaps they're bedfellows.
     
  2. Maximagq

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    This thread went off the rails rather quickly
     
  3. LeeD

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    See, there ya go!
    I have not changed my "low 4.0" rating in the past 5 years. Some days, it's exactly that, some days lower, of course.
    Who changed the direction of this thread? In his case, you can thank Beernutz, with help from Mikeler.
     
  4. arche3

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    OK the legend.

    LeeD remembers:
    serving 150mph. He beats ranked top 30 wta pros when he was a 3.5. He went to a few pro tourneys and won a few rounds. he can throw a football further than drew brees. He basically is an old dude but recalls being goat in everything so he tells us in every thread every chance he gets.

    And no. People do not believe him. So people make fun of his boasts to troll him because he will invariably come in with the same post he has typed 1000 times. In the winter months we have epic arguments about leeDs tennis skills and he changes his story every other post because he doesn't remember the facts of all his lies.
     
  5. LeeD

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    AND, we wonder why the threads get hijacked! :):)
    I was off this thread for a month before my name was specifically mentioned.
    And still, we keep adding my name and my accomplishment's to the list. WE meaning YOU guys.
     
  6. jhick

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    Probably not so fast. Any kind of hitting or swinging activity I do much better left handed.
     
  7. arche3

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    fixed it for you.

    It's boring so you get mentioned. Ready to start the leeD lies train already? Let's at least wait till october.
     
  8. LeeD

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    It's cool, anytime is the right time.
    But perhaps, we should allow Matt to have this thread for himself.
     
  9. arche3

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    Yeah. You should go into the pro coach tennis thread with Gilbert and the real pro coaches and talk about your service skills. Compare to retired pros and stuff see what they say.
     
  10. Topspin Shot

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    And you didn't know this would happen when you started the thread? :wink:
     
  11. Aurellian

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    I stopped using it. The coaches dont' like it when I go all "Skippy Special" on them...I would basically karate chop the snot out of the ball from behind the baseline so it would land a few feet from the net and bounce toward my side...a truly nonreturnable shot. When I hit it at Harry Hopmans's the pros just shook their head and said WTF....
     
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    No, he was trying! The other coaches were clowning him about it. I said it's legend a NB's.
     
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    I only repeated some of the bullchit claims you've made on the forum to illustrate the absurdity of reptilian's claims about the 12 year old girl and the 5.5 adult male tennis pro. You two aren't long lost brothers by any chance are you?
     
  14. Aurellian

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    I would be Lee's partner any day. You on the other hand, I would not even acknowledge you except to punk you on the tennis court in front of your family.
     
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    I'm shocked but hardly surprised :)
     
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    hahahahah watch out beernutz. don't want your wife and kids seeing you get 'punked' like that! hahahahaha
     
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    The irony is that LeeD I don't believe has ever had an NTRP rating yet comments like crazy about any thread with NTRP in it. Do you really need any more comments on your NTRP or can we convert this into a Friday fun thread now? :)
     
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  19. McLovin

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    I believe it.

    Almost 30 years ago I spent a week a the NB Adult Academy with my father. We were on a court hitting, and two courts over this little stick of a girl, who couldn't have been more than 13 years old, was standing at the service tee just smacking balls left and right for winners.

    One of the instructors was on the adjacent court to the other side of us, and commented that this girl could beat practically anyone at the Academy. He also mentioned that she would be #1 in the world some day. We watched her for a few more minutes, and she was quite impressive.

    Her name? Monica Seles.
     
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    I have a similar story. This tiny little girl was practicing and absolutely was pounding the ball at a junior tournament I played at. Her name: Jennifer Capriati.
     
  21. Maximagq

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    It's fine, have fun with this thread haha :)
     
  22. sovertennis

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    The immortal Connie Hawkins said it best: "The older I get the better I used to be." (Substitute "Lee D" for "I").
     
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    I am believe that serious Junior players are better than the vast majority of Adults. Certainly, the best 12 year old junior girl in the world is an amazing player. Looking at the ITF world rankings for girls and Universal Tennis(UT) rankings it is easy to compare players. The best 12 year old girl in the world is ranked UT 10.74. Take a look at the UT level descriptions below for more information.


    A person lower in a level will lose 0,0 to someone higher in the same level. From UT 10.74 to UT 14+ there are many layers of 0,0 matches.

    The girl we are talking about in this thread turns 16 next month. She is ranked around #240 in ITF. Her UT ranking is 11.50. At 16, after four years of improving, she is no where near being able to beat a future player. She could not win a normal boys 18s tournament in a small USTA section.

    Sorry, a 12 year old girl just does not beat a futures player. She does probably beats just about anyone in your club




    Universal Tennis Ranking descriptions

    Level 16
    Top 80 to 100 ATP players.

    Make a living at pro tennis.

    Level 15
    ATP Challenger Circuit players. Among the top 300 players in the world.

    Trying to make a living playing tennis.

    Level 14
    Top ranked ITA Division 1 men.

    World Class Junior Boys.

    College Scholarships.

    Men thinking about turning pro should stay in school.

    Level 13
    Top 40 WTA players; make their living as tennis players.

    National level USTA boys.

    ITA Division 1, and Division 2 highly ranked men.

    Level 12
    Top 200 WTA; trying to make their living in pro tennis.

    Highly Ranked USTA Sectional boys.

    Valuable player in most men's college programs.

    Level 11
    Highly Ranked ITA Division 1 women.

    College Scholarship players for ITA Division 1 and Division 2 women.

    Highly rated ITA Division 3 men.

    World Class junior girls.

    Level 10
    Top ranked USTA National Girls.

    Solid ITA Division 3 men.
     
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    Having been involved in recruiting that bold is a little off, maybe that is the number for Top 25 Teams, but many smaller D1 schools have players with UTR around lvls 8-10 playing Top of line-up
     
  25. justinmadison

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    No doubt. I just looked at a couple of D1 schools who only have two players over 9, and they are below 9.3
     
  26. Aurellian

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    I dont she is 16. I think 14 at oldest.

    Just a little caveat. You may not have been commenting on my post, but the guy WAS a former satellite player. I did not say he was playing satellites and coaching at Nicky B's. The guy was a full time coach and skirt chaser.

    I guess is that he was late 20s to early 30s. So, realistically, if he got job at NB's he likely had been off tour and coaching for a number of years. I can't see someone from Colombia walking into a job at NB's with no experience.

    So we likely have a 5.0(??) losing drill points to the best 12 year old girl in the world.

    Not so far fetched.
     
  27. goober

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    True statement, but meaningless and bordering on captain obvious. If you take the best junior players in the world at any sport they are going to be better than the vast majority of adults. Likewise if you took the best 40 year old players in the world they would be better than the vast majority of juniors or even young adults for that matter. You can't compare elite level players to recreational players at any age group.
     
  28. justinmadison

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    No, a 11/12 year old girl cannot beat a 5.5 male player.



    Her birthday is July 22, 1998

    Yes, A male 5.0 could lose some drill points to the best 12 year old girl in the world.

    It might seem like captain obvious to us but stick around and you will see it is not obvious to everyone on this board. I did not say "best in the world junior", I said "serious junior". At our club the good sectional players, not nearly at the world ranking or even national ranking, are better than all the 5.0 male players.
     
  29. goober

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    Not an apples to apples comparison. All you are saying is that top sectional juniors players are better than 5.0 level play at your club. Sure it depends on which section and which age group. It also depends on whether your club 5.0s are computer rated or club rated. I have played against guys who are 5.0 at their club but they would actually be 4.5s and some even 4.0s if they played USTA.

    The top juniors in my area that have top 20 sectional rankings play in open tournaments and I haven't seen one win won yet. A 20 the ranked sectional junior in the 12 age group would have a very difficult time against a computer rated 5.0 adult player especially if he was still in his 20s and played recently in college. If junior player was 17 or 18 it might be a different story. But you are still comparing an elite group to a very large group and trying to draw conclusions. If you are the 20th best junior in your section that is a very large area often covering multiple states. How many 5.0s in a section? If you count club 5.0s a hella lot.

    If you are saying that an serious junior that trains every day, is one of the best players in his section is better than a club 5.0 who has a family, career and trains much less and is past his prime phyisically, but was at one point was probably good player, umm ok still seems obvious to me.
     
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    The thread has gotten a bit off track but why not continue and bring it in.

    NTRP club ratings don't mean anything. A 3.5 can walk into a club and tell everyone he is a 5.0 and sign up for the 5.0 drills and leagues.

    Computer rated 5.5 men are very high level players.

    Your 12 year old girl striking fear in a former satellite player is questionable if he is a real tennis pro. Sounds like the guy was probably a ball feeder maybe 4.0-5.0 level.

    Futures are a step above Division 1 men's college tennis. My last coach was ranked in the top 100 NCAA Division I and he told me that he was getting killed on the futures circuit.

    In the OP's area Brian Su has been a top 5.5 men's player. He is computer rated and there is youtube video of him playing a tiebreaker and winning against a former ranked ITF player. He used to play money coed round robins in SoCal and clean house. I went to some of those and never saw a 'nationally ranked girl' (even though some of the girls were top 10 in the section or nation) win against the USTA older man whether it be against Brian Su or some other tennis pro. Most of the top high school students who were actively training would get killed by the club pros, just based on the huge gap in experience.

    Results speak loudly. Talk is cheap. OP could rate himself as a 4.5 or a 5.0. The actual results would then adjust accordingly. 5.5 would be too high for him. A high school student who has success at 5.5 would be getting a division 1 scholarship.

    Also BTW, love your youtube channel, one of the best tennis channels on the web.
     
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    Brian Su is a VERY GOOD player. I played him in a tie break and had chances but lost 5-7. Very wily, cunning, and good feel.
     
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    There was an article many years ago in Tennis or World Tennis about a very good male player 5.0/Open level-type that played some little 12 year old girl. He got crushed. The girl was either Tracy Austin or Andrea Jaeger (I don't remember which) who was one of the very top WTA players within a year or two, though.
     
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    If the tiebreak results were indicative of general play, you are definitely 5.0+ NTRP. He moves real well for his size. I went to school with the guy and he used to string my racquets. Whittier Narrows itennis used to have some great 5.0+ round robin matches, I think on Monday nights...wonder if they still have that going.

    Anyhow, enjoy college, get good grades, and keep playing tennis. Again, love your youtube channel.

    You would expect a 5.0 man to lose badly to a top girl/soon to be WTA star, the girls peak at a younger age and there are some like Seles who were on tour at 14.
     
  34. jdubbs

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    I have a friend who is a 5.5 and played D1 but not pro. He played a top ten ranked WTA pro and crushed her in straights.

    Really unfair to compare women and men. The power and defense is far superior at the higher levels. Ask Serena, who played a low level pro and got beat soundly.
     
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    Yes, I was playing those round robin Monday night tourneys back in 2012. I beat David Eiges to get into the final four and got handled easily by Andy Chang 2-7, Alex Kitto 2-7, and Brian Su 5-7, but it was really fun.
     
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    nice match. The other guy is definitely the better player as you could not pressure him at all. Looks like his ball is heavier and definitly deeper and more penetrating. His serve definitely has way more action, i would say easy 5.5 for the winner and 5.0 for you

    i can't imagine playing a guy like that, i would be so tired.

    its tough to compare juniors to adults, i play with a 14 year old kid here in Georgia and hes a top 20 kid in the state, 3 star and i can barely keep up, we play very close matches, and i consider myself a high 4.5 to low 5.0 but i am 40 years old

    i can't imagine playing some older 16-17 year old 3 to 4 star, would not be pretty
     
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    Mhm I agree. His ball is very heavy,
     
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    Mikeler...
    I've been playing tennis since the '70's. My peers in the late '70's were D-2 and 3 singles players, top high school players going to D-2 schools, so B level, or 4.5.
    I've aged since the '70's. I play weekends with at least a dozen former D-2 or 3 college players, all calling themselves "4.0", which is where I fit in, me the Alpha dog in that crowd.
    I have not lost to a C player, or 3.5, since 1978. Talking singles, of course.
    I have beaten 8 of the 12 guys listed on the Albert's Park state winning 4.0 team. I have split sets with 2 others, and have not played against 2.
    I have beaten the NorCal USTA 4.0 Number ONE at least 10 matches, never losing a match and never losing a set worst than tiebreker. I've won plenty of sets by 2's.
    I played the NorCal USTA No. 4 last year, that was the reason for my post, "6-1, 2-6, 6-1" last year.
    I think that pretty much makes me a qualified 4.0 level player, don't you?
     
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    You go Alpha dog!
     
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    You had me at 127 mph and beating WTA pros.
     
  41. RetroSpin

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    A lot of people here seriously need to lighten up a little.

    I personally enjoy LeeD's stories. He's lived a life and obviously enjoyed himself along the way. The rest of you should be so lucky.

    Lee, I don't really care what your NTRP is, because from your comments, I can tell you know what you're talking about.
     
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    Perhaps, but... if one feels the need to constantly regurgitate one's resume, as it were, over and over and over again (and I've only been here for a few months!), on an unsolicited basis... it raises questions.
     
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    Yes LeeD for ttw mayor. It's all true. All of it. Even the part about throwing a football farther than drew brees.
     
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    ^^ Well, apparently there are wide swaths of LeeD's (alleged?) sports resume of which I am completely unaware...
     
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    I think someone should compile all of LeeD's proclaimed sporting accomplishments/feats and put them in a "LeeD résumé" thread. Just throwing that idea out there
     
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    actually it's been done already. LeeD himself posted this gem:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7411213&postcount=26
    and than this list of achievements was also compiled;
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8089361&postcount=45
    I'm sure there's more. Those do not even mention any football or tennis related activities. I also recall some LeeD's posts on fencing (as in him beating some olympic women's hopeful after like four practices or something)
     
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    top lels


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    ok if thats 5.0 , then im 4.5
     
  49. Maximagq

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    Okay
    10 4.5 players
     
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    You are right, Matt does looks like a 3.5.
    This video of you clearly demonstrate how a 4.5 looks like http://youtu.be/yGjKXTt5Zuw?t=1m16s

    And i think the fastest serve Matt ever hits in this video is probably less than 110, you should give him some tips on how to hit those 120mph serve .http://youtu.be/Wph8kvabf7E?t=54s
     
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