What NTRP level would you say each of these two players are?

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  1. luvforty

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    clint thompson right? youtube
     
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  2. The Bawss

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  3. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    just FYI, ITN 4 is actually NTRP 5.0

    which looks about right.
     
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    Indeed, but if his LTA rating is 5.2 then he's at the lower end of ITN 5 and not ITN 4.
     
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  5. dr325i

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    That Clint "guy" has been ranked in the low 400's on ATP list...
    So, we are talking apples and oranges here...
     
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  6. Mike2228

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    I'm surprised to see people saying either of these guys are 5.0. That seems a little high to me.
     
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  7. KineticChain

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    4.5ish

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  8. TheCheese

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    After watching the clip with the sound off, I'd say 4.0-4.5 level. They can hit a good ball, but they're not extremely consistent.
     
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  9. tennisdad65

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    5.0 and 5.5
     
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  10. DavaiMarat

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    Too be honest, it's hard to tell. The grey guy has better strokes the the blue guy for sure however both players look extremely rushed. The ball isn't slowing up on the bounce worth crap so it tells me either they are hitting extremely flat or the court is uber fast and needs to be resurfaced.

    Remember trying to play tennis on a slick gym floor, that's what that video reminds me off. Both have particularly weak banhkhands.
     
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  11. Thud and blunder

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    Blue guy's serve reminds me of poster dizzlmcwizzl, who's put up a bunch of vids.
     
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  12. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Yea ... I Have been working with him :)
     
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  13. tennis_pr0

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    To me they look like strong 4.5 Definitely NOT higher than 5.0. All around fairly solid but not weapons and a decent amount of unforced. Strong 4.5 for sure.
     
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    High 4.5
    Lower 5.0
     
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    of 3.0 or 3.5.

    I'm being generous here. They are in Europe so clearly they've not played USTA events which means they don't have a ranking but let's imagine that London has some sort of tennis association, I'll say 2.5. I was too generous before.

    They haven't spent counless amount of blood, sweat, and tears playing in the USTA to deserve anything hire than provisional 21.0, yeah, I went lower the more I think about it.

    A player here on the board Topaz would naturally crush these guys.
     
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  16. max pl

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    post a video of topaz so we can compare
     
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  17. Centerforward71

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    Spot on assessment. Zero consistency. Good strokes in spurts. At best 4.5 but I don't know many 4.5s that make that many errors. Who sees 5.0 or 5.5 and why ? No way no chance at least not the 5.0s and plus I play. Those guys wouldn't win one game against the 5.0s I know.
     
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  18. LeeD

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    Lots of vids of AndyMurray 4 years ago looking that inconsistent, and quite a few other 6.0's looking really scattered and weak, but then we find out they're better than that PARTICULAR vid shows.
    Gotta give them the benefit of the doubt. They can hit 5.0 level shots at times, look somewhat balanced, and yes, impatient.
    Not all 4.5's can hit 40 ball rallies, run like the wind, and move the ball side to side...nor all 5.5's.
    A vid is a moment in time. It doesn't accurately represent the true skill level of the players.
     
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  19. always_crosscourt

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    I'd say they're both good 3.5's.

    Neither looks at all explosive, their movement is sluggish, their serves are weak, they're inconsistent, they make bad errors (think I saw two netted smashes), the technique looks more to be 'arming' the ball rather than using the kinetic chain (esp. the blue guy). Racket head speed also looks very slow.
     
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  20. AbsoluTennis

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    well i dont know a lot about NTRP ratings because im from europe, but i watched some videos on Youtube of 4.5 Players and they were all much worse than those in the video of this thread.
    So these Players here got to be better than 4.5 obviously....
    if they are 5 or whatever i cannot say.
     
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    How fast you guys think they serve? looks like around 90s to me.
     
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  22. Fugazi

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    That's just ridiculous, sorry. To consider them 4.0s is also unrealistic. Strong 4.5s or low 5.0s sounds about right. Definitely too many unforced errors and technical flaws to be 5.5.
     
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  23. user92626

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    Your own assessment is ridiculous actually. Like many guys here you just threw out numbers without any explanation. On other hand Crosscourt gave explanation, good or not.

    Id agree with crosscourt. They don't hit much differently than the guys at the court I play, 3.5-4.0, lots of powerful wacking and gross errors on 2nd or 3rd ball. If you don't agree, tell me how differently these guys hit?

    I'd played a few doubles with a strong 4.5. This guy could routinely keep a very tight rally using topspin and low, skidding slice. He didn't give any unexplainable, grossly miss-hit shot.
     
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  24. Passion4Tennis

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    I believe their level of play has already been confirmed on page 3.
    They both had winning records at would be considered a 4.5 level of play here. But, feel free to say that they look no better than your local 3.5's. Funny, because I don't see 3.5's at any parks near me hitting the ball as well as these guys, and they don't move nearly as well, either. These guys regularly perform a split step, and they move quickly towards the next shot. Yes, they do make several unforced errors during this match, but I also witnessed some very good shot making at times that would be well beyond a 3.5 and even the vast majority of 4.0 players.

    4.5 players are at the beginning of advanced level of play. A lot of people on these boards grossly exaggerate just how good 4.5 level of play is, and what it takes to get there.
     
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  25. pvaudio

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    Agreeing with most here, 4.5 and a 5.0. I don't think the majority of posters on here understand that you don't need to absolutely crush the ball into the corners to be a 5.0. You really need to be able to play at the 4.5 level with something extra that your opponent doesn't have. That's what you see in this video.
     
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  26. pvaudio

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    I wonder if you know how much of a fool you sound like?
     
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  27. Fugazi

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    As LeeD said, even guys that are 6.0 can be surprisingly inconsistent when hitting with a lot of pace. These two guys hit with good pace and have decent movement and defensive skills (especially the guy in grey). A 3.5 or 4.0 would simply not be able to withstand their pace. On the other hand, their serve is unimpressive, they have relatively weak backhands, and they're clearly overaggressive. Still, IMO these flaws don't make them below the 4.5 level. 3.5s simply can't hit with this pace with any kind of control, and 4.0s don't look that solid overall.
     
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