what pros dont use a paint job

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  1. L.M.F PRECISION

    L.M.F PRECISION New User

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    i know that filippo volandri used to use a actual flexpoint prestige but apart from that i dont know any others.
     
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  2. ckledzepplin

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    federer uses a real k90
    roddick used a real PDRC, but now uses the new pure drive that isn't out yet.
    del potro uses a real k61 95
    sampras uses a k88
    most of them use the real frames they say they do, but a few like nadal don't
     
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  3. T1000

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    i think hewitt uses a real rdis 100 mid. not sure though, i know he used a real rqis 1 tour in the summer of 07
     
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  4. nadalfan!

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    Nadal's racquet is pretty much the same one as they advertise. The cortex is just 'technology' that doesn't really do anything.
     
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  5. JediMindTrick

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    Federer uses a real K90
    Nadal uses an Apd but that's pretty close to the Apdc. The same for Roddick, technicaly a paint job but pretty close to the real one.
    Nalby uses a real RDiS 100 MP.
    Hewitt uses a real RDiS 100 mid.
    Monfils uses a real EXO Rebel.
    Davydenko used to use a real Ozone Pro Tour.
    Ferrero used to use a real POG LB, I don't know what he uses now.

    I think there are many more pros that don't use paintjobs, like the Brians and others.
     
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  6. Mastadon_10S

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    03 tour i think
     
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  7. star 5 15

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    fed def pj
    roddick no cortex
    nadal apd 1st gen...no cortex
     
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  8. S H O W S T O P P E R !

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    Roddick's racket is a bit heavier than the stock 11.7, but other than that it's the same as the one TW sells.
     
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    whoa whoa whoa. i thought we agreed that federer uses a prostaff 90 with a pj

    Blake uses custom mold
     
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  10. featherlight

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    i think nalby and hewitt both use PJs
     
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  11. Josherer

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    fed uses the K90
     
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  12. xanger

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    federer uses a real k90
    its been confirmed

    i think he played better with the ncode thought; his shots had less spin but penetrated the court more
     
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  13. crazylevity

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    The only pro I remember without a paintjob is Mark Philippousis. He blacked out his Head Prestige when his contract expired so as not to give any free publicity.

    All other pros use a paintjob on their racquet.
     
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  14. gymrat76

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    I thought Volandri plays w/ PT57 (?)
    Well he is not that good anymore. choked against Simon Greul.
     
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  15. gymrat76

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    Nadal plays w/ APD, not the advertised APDC.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=251706
    The cortex is just "paint" on his rcqt
     
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  16. nadal for number1

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    yea nadal plays with the old aero pro drive w/o the cortex
     
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  17. Motherwasp

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    Wawrinka real MGP MP???
     
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  18. L.M.F PRECISION

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    He actually uses a microgel prestige pro with a microgel prestige mp paintjob.
     
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  19. JediMindTrick

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    Nope, Hewitt's racquet has 20 crosses like the RDiS 100, no more Super RD Tour 90 PJ. Nalbandian's racquet has the H throat so it can't be a PJ.
     
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  20. Motherwasp

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    Ah yes, i remember seeing that on here now. Congratulations on getting your name blue!
     
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  21. Karma_struggle

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    This dead horse has been beaten into dog food by now. Multiple sources have confirmed that Federer uses a k90.
     
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  22. JediMindTrick

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    Ok, now this doesn't make any sense, is Head marketing run by retards?
     
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  23. viktorkwan

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    Nalbandian's racket is not a PJ, but it is extended.
     
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  24. L.M.F PRECISION

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    thank alot
     
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  25. alextennis0805

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    feds racquet cant be the k90 if you look at his buttcap he has the old buttcap on it not the new one
     
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  26. Danstevens

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    This has been discussed before too.

    Priority One have some of the old buttcaps left over and so when they put Fed's custom shaped handle on, they use the old buttcaps to "get rid" of them. It has been said that (by P1) that when they run out, they expect Fed to move over to the new buttcap.
     
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  27. L.M.F PRECISION

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    I know its really stupid you would think that they would wont someone to use a prestige pro paintjob for marketing
     
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  28. Fliparoni

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    But aren't the paintjobs of the MG PP and the MG MP the same thing? If I remember correctly, they both same mid-plus on their frames, they both have the same color schemes. The only difference between the two is the weight and the string pattern, both of which have nothing to do with the paint job. Does the MGPP have the word 'Pro' written somewhere on it?
     
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  29. Fliparoni

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    Haha, actually nevermind, the Pro does have 'Pro' written on it.
     
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  30. nadal for number1

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    why head would do that i have no idea... when they could straight up advertise his REAL racket
     
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  31. DNShade

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    You do realize the the buttcap has NOTHING to do with the actual racket right? They could put on a Babolat buttcap but that doesn't make it a APD with a PJ. Still the same racket.

    Danstevens is dead right. It's just P1 using the old buttcaps when they do Fed's handle work. Nothing more. It's been confirmed by multiple people in the know that it's a real K90, so we can all just let that rest okay?
     
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  32. JediMindTrick

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    Ah, but then that would make sense, no?
     
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  33. chief wiggum

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    Ignoring what frame they use, all their racquets are heavily customized.
     
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  34. DonBot

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    You can even tell nadal's cortex is painted on in the giant picture of him up right now on tennis warehouse's home page. LOL
     
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  35. nadal for number1

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    lol niceee... and true!
     
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  36. HEADidas

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    Yea the pro also has a black throat whereas the MP has a red throat like the mid
     
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  37. Matty G

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    Im pretty shure John Isner uses an 03 White just has the weight customized.
     
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  38. JediMindTrick

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    I think most Prince players are not using PJs.
     
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  39. LPShanet

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    A bit of misinfo here with respect to Roddick. It's not a PDRC at all. It's an old PD (pre-cortex) with paint. Sorry, this one doesn't qualify.
     
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  40. LPShanet

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    In the interest of answering the original post, I think we need to agree on a definition of "paint job". Personally, I'd refer to anything other than the stock frame (with only after-market modifications) as a paintjob. Being "similar" doesn't make something not a paint job. After all, the Wilson K's are arguably similar to the N's and for that matter to the Pro Staff Classics. The Head Prestiges (FP, LM, MG, and all the older versions) are all "similar", but they're not the same. And painting one to look like another is a paint job.

    With that said, most of the above examples aren't valid. Nadal's racquet IS a paint job in the classic sense of the word. He uses an older model painted to look like the current version. Simple as that. Although Cortex itself is more marketing than technology, the APDC does play differently from the original APD. Roddick's racquet is also a total paint job. He doesn't use the PDR at all. He uses the original PD, which has a totally different weight, balance, swingweight and flex. Even if he customizes it to a place pretty close to the PDR, it's still a total paint job: he's using a different racquet (and one you can't get) painted to look like a stock model.

    Nalby's frame is more of a gray area. While he may be using the mold and layup of an RDiS 100, his frame has been extended and customized at the factory not a customizer, and the frame he uses isn't available to the public. I can't speak to Hewitt's frame because I honestly don't know what he's using right now. Will try to find out.

    The Prince guys are better examples of non paintjob pros (as far as we know).

    NB: You can assume that very few of Wilson or Head's high level pros are using stock frames. Most of theirs come from the companies' respective pro rooms, and are based on different layups from the stock stuff. Unless you see a "made in China" stamped on a Head pro's frame, you shouldn't assume it's a stock Microgel Whatever even if it looks like one.
     
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  41. binomialtheory

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    actually, the MGPP has black stripes on the top of the racquet, whereas the MGP MP has white ones.
     
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  42. crazylevity

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    When I first found that out, I went WTF as well, but have a look at the other HEAD pros. Murray-using Prestige Pro, Radical Pro pj. Djokovic-used to use a LM Radical, would have been simple just giving him his old racquet and a Radical pj. But no, they come up with the Speed Pro, which they market as his racquet but has a different beam width and string pattern.

    What gives?
     
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  43. chief wiggum

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    Regardless of what frame they use, very few of their racquets are stock anyways.
     
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  44. featherlight

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    santoro does not use a PJ because he is no longer sponsored by HEAD
     
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    These Pjs manage to fool many people into buying their frames. They may be silly to us but it is doing them wonders LoL!
     
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  47. LPShanet

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    Do a search. There are many examples on these threads. Real cortex is raised and you can see the edges of where it starts and ends on a closeup shot. Rafa's racquet clearly has it just painted on, as he's using the old Aeropro Drive.
     
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    Once again, this is basically all invalid information. Federer uses a similar racquet to the K90--same string pattern, similar stiffness, similar weight, but the string spacing is different. Nadal uses an APD mold, but is a good 25 grams heavier. Roddick uses an old Pure drive mold, the "swirly," but about 45 grams heavier. Nalbandian uses a 28 inch custom Yonex mold. Hewitt uses the old Super RD Tour 90. Monfils uses a custom Prince mold, but with the EXO3 holes, so I can see how you might think it would be a Rebel. Davydenko, I am not completely sure about currently, but, yes, he used to use an Ozone Pro Tour mold, but 30 grams heavier. Ferrero uses a custom 28 inch Prince mold, which is somewhat similar to the POG Longbody, but a bit stiffer. Overall, with all due respect, you really do not know what you are talking about.
     
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  49. babolatking

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    most players with 03's use the same thing, im wondering if davydenko use a pj of the 0zone tour but actually uses the regular one
     
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    gonzales as far as i can tell babolat pure storm?
     
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