What seperates the best jrs?

Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by Alexio92, Jan 20, 2008.

  1. Alexio92

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    from the rest?? is it talent really? It cant be, is it who you know?? Is it your parents? how much coaching you have?
     
  2. BradBaughman

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    in the juniors 12 and under its who's the fastest and can keep the ball in play!
    not much talent needed!

    in the 14s its a little bit of the 12's recipe and your game!

    in the 16's it starts to change rapidly, now your gonna need talent, speed, strokes, game.

    good question alexio92 phrased well !!
     
  3. TennisCoachFLA

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    Brad summed it up pretty well.

    At the younger ages it is mostly opportunity and time spent with tennis. I have seen numerous mediocre athletes who can still do well at 10-12. They simply play more tennis than other kids by a long shot. Not to start trouble, but this is really the case with the 5-10 age range. Kids that young who hit lots of balls while other children do not, can appear like they will be the next big thing.

    About 12 for girls and 14 for boys starts to separate the top talents.

    Physical talent, desire, and the mental aspects of the game separate the top few from the rest as the kids get to the 18s.
     
  4. cujays

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    i agree
    i think its being willing to not be with their friends and putting tennis ahead of all other things
    this is for both the boys and girls
    becoming mentally strong is also very important
     
  5. BradBaughman

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    theres 4-5 boys here in socal that owned the 10s 12s and watching them move up 14s must be really deflating to there parents and themselves as getting through 2 rounds is a real task now!

    i just wonder what there coaches tell them to about the rapid decline in there games and what the game-plan is to fix what is now becoming a mess??
     
  6. BigBUBBA

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    In 12s you can moonball and be the best in your state. It's like that in Arkansas. Daniel Joshuva the number one has beaten me like 5 times even though he moonballs it and my strokes are good enough to get me to Bollettieri
     
  7. Katlion

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    I agree. Well said.
     
  8. redsoxrock930

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    thanks a lot alexio, we finally have a thread about junior development that doesn't involve all the older parents trashing on the 12 year old pushers
     
  9. TennisCoachFLA

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    Hang in there. As you guys get older things will change in favor of the solid hitter.
     
  10. CityHeightsTennis

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    i agree with you.... i think in the 16s you start to actually need a strong mental game...i mean in the top juniors
     
  11. CAM178

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    With the top juniors, it is also composure and who can play the big points better. I remember watching Chang in the 12's and he was doing things that the other kids weren't even thinking of doing (swinging volleys, point construction, etc.). Then I watched Al Parker at the B18 Clay Courts and it was partly his game, but partly the intimidation factor. There was an interview with Courier, and he said "If you saw that you were going to play Al, you knew to come to the match with your bags packed." For those of you who don't know who Al Parker is, he is the winningest player in USTA junior history.
     
  12. BigBUBBA

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    Thanks god. :) I'm really good but the i'm short and he moonballs it deep and I'm too short to jump for it and the ball nears the fence soooo
     
  13. TennisCoachFLA

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    Some ideas for a tennis pro who focused on beating moonballers:

    How to beat the MOONBALLER...

    The Moonballer likes to use your pace and give you nothing
    back in return. They are experts at hitting high arcing shots
    that push you back off the baseline. They use a low risk game
    plan and are banking on you getting frustrated and using
    shots that you do not have in your arsenal. A typical
    Moonballer may have no weapons and moonballing may be
    the only thing they can do better than us. These players are
    responsible for more tennis players quitting the sport than
    any other style of player.

    Seven tactics to try:

    1) Don’t panic. Be willing to exchange a few moonballs from
    the baseline until you get a shot you can finish off.

    2) After you moonball a few groundstrokes, sneak in and pick
    off a volley. This is easy to do because their shots take longer
    to develop because of the high arc.

    3) Use a drop shot and follow it to the net. They will be caught
    trying to retreat to the baseline where they love to be. This
    also gets them off of the baseline where they can hit their
    favorite shots.

    4) Serve and volley more than usual. If you are not at the
    baseline, you can not be lured into a moonball rally. Be prepared to hit a lot of overheads and do not “close” too aggressively.

    5) Use a “chip and charge” return of serve so you can stay
    away from the moonball rallies.

    6) Hold your ground at the baseline and refuse to back up
    towards the fence (take the ball on the rise). Moonballers love
    to push us back into the fence where our shots become
    shorter and we have no chance of hurting them.

    7) Play more underspin balls that land short. This will make it
    more difficult for them to hit a moonball in the first place.

    ~Special thanks to USPTA Pro Jorge Capestany for this article~
     
  14. BradBaughman

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    big bubba dont sweat it! keep driving through the ball, but in the meantime when this boy puts it up! get one step in side the base line and short hop it into the middle of the court or get right in no mans land and start volley practice
     
  15. BigBUBBA

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    Thanks you both! I have been planning to chip and charge and serve and volley the next time I play him so thanks for the other tips too!
     
  16. BradBaughman

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    are you in florida now
     
  17. BigBUBBA

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    No we scheduled it for the summer at Bollettieri.
     
  18. Babb

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    What separates the good from the bad in my area in b16s? Second serve, returns, and consistency...
     
  19. when in doubt call it out

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    10- and some 12s is just consistency and speed. after that it takes a strong mental game and good game and how big you are is a factor also
     
  20. A.Davidson

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    In the lower age groups, it is consistency.

    As the age raises, this is lessened and stamina, training, natural talent, etc. take over.

    At some point, there are those that are no longer able to compete at the highest level. The ones left standing are the best, the ones who end up nationally ranked.
     
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    Bungalow Bill,

    How are you? Have you checked out Jorge Capstaney's site "tennisdrills.tv".
    Would you recomend it ?
     
  22. mozzer

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    In the older age groups, definately shot selection, depth, power and mental toughness.
     
  23. SoCal10s

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    what about defense ?

    WOW.. I'm surprised that no one is talking about legs and playing great defense... and also variations.. just look what the pros are doing,that's what you should be working on... all the top kids to pros have great defense ,then all the rest will factor in...shot selection,hitting big,ect...
     
  24. the 10s n00b

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    for the 12s have great placement and be really fast....14s+16s have a good 2nd serve or they will kill it down the line
     
  25. Jackie T. Stephens

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    Everything, talent, who coaches you, who you know, what you know, and can you get it?
     
  26. tennismom42

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    sepArates!
     
  27. Jackie T. Stephens

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    Read my post above you :)
     
  28. tennismom42

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    ability to listen to coaches, follow directions, implement what you're taught in the presence of those coaches.

    Discipline, research abilites (something my son sucks at), proper nutrition, consistency, reliable 2nd serve, a little bit of a temper, balance, balance, balance
     
  29. Jackie T. Stephens

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    What does balance have to do with anything?
     
  30. TennisTaxi

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    16's-18's-IMHO-for the kid's in the Top 100 Nationally, it is all mental, desire and lack of distraction.
     
  31. tennismom42

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    are you kidding? only the player himself can define his own balance. If he doesn't the lack of it will define him. Also, there are many dangers in elite competition. If you've ever been around some elite athletes, many of them are quite insane. They have no social skills, their academic background sucks. They are always 1 injury away from being done. Then what? Tennis can destroy you if you don't have balance!
     
  32. RestockingTues

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    Balance as in, "My footwork sucks so I don't have any balance" as opposed to "Look at his footwork! He's so smooth and balanced!"

    :)

    EDIT: I like tennismom's explanation more :p
     
  33. region2champion

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    It seems that most of you are saying that the moonballers in the 12's will fall behind as the reach 15/16. Most of the great older players all started out the game as moonballers.
     
  34. TennisNinja

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    A lot fo times I think it's the player's mental strength. It's who can hang in there that last bit and hit the extra shot to win the point, the willingness to go out and train for hours on end, and come back from a set down to win the match, even if it seems like there's nothing you can do to overcome your situation.
     
  35. jamesbond4

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    That is befor Jack Sock came around.
     
  36. MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER

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    Money... Big, big sacks of money.
    Even Richard William's just recently finished up with the bloodsuckers who fronted him the cash necessary.
     
  37. ssjkyle31

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    Agreed plus a love for the sport.
     
  38. brackj

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    Jack Sock probably lost a lot of his intimidation factor after all the injuries. He may be getting some of that back, especially against players not in the top 4 or 5.
     
  39. jamesbond4

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    Doesnt jack sock have like 10 singles gold balls and 10 doubles?
     
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    tennis drills

    Bungalo Bill,
    sorry i misspelt your name. please answer my post
     
  41. brackj

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    He has 14 total
     
  42. JMS

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    Not true:

    USTA B18s National Open Singles & Doubles Champion 2008
    USTA B16s Easter Bowl Champion 2008
    USTA B16s National Open Singles Champion 2008
    USTA B14s National Clay Court Doubles Champion 2007
    USTA B12s National Hard Court Singles and Doubles Champion 2005
    USTA B12s National Clay Court Singles and Doubles Champion 2005
    USTA B12s National Spring Championships Singles and Doubles Champion 2005
    USTA B12s National Winter Championships Singles and Doubles Champion 2004
    USTA B12s National Hard Court Championships Doubles Champion 2004
    USTA B12s National Clay Court Championships Doubles Champion 2004
    B14s National Clay Court Doubles Champion 2007
     
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    money for the most part
     
  44. deddied

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    thats only if you don't change your game.
     
  45. brackj

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    The National Opens are not Gold Balls. He has 14 Gold with 3 Bronze. Closes once he gets there.
    Here's what it is
    USTA B16s Winter National Singles & Doubles Champion
    USTA B16s Easter Bowl Champion 2008
    USTA B14s National Clay Court Doubles Champion 2007
    USTA B12s National Hard Court Singles and Doubles Champion 2005
    USTA B12s National Clay Court Singles and Doubles Champion 2005
    USTA B12s National Spring Championships Singles and Doubles Champion 2005
    USTA B12s National Winter Championships Singles and Doubles Champion 2004
    USTA B12s National Hard Court Championships Doubles Champion 2004
    USTA B12s National Clay Court Championships Doubles Champion 2004
    B14s National Clay Court Doubles Champion 2007
     
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    Al Parker still has more....
     

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