What supplements do you take and why?

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  1. chrischris

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    I am not sure farting is so much a result of a healthy diet as of an unhealthy one.
     
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    Lustig says sugar makes us fat. But sugar in combination with fiber, which will make you fart, doesn't make us fat.

    His explanation is around the 1:13:00 mark in the following video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
     
  3. r2473

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    Lots of fiber in beans.

    I imagine Jelly Beans must be the perfect food.
     
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    No need to cry over spilt beans .. :)

    My point is very simple.

    Fruit, nuts and veggies can do for you what supplements try to do but better for you .

    If you are full of gas , use it wisely, remember timing is key.

    Use it as a booster , air jet engine on court, to propel you to higher bursts of speed of foot . :)
     
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    There are inherently gassy foods, like onions, cabbages, even peanuts.
     
  6. r2473

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    I think my plan will just be to add a vegetable (and beans some days) to normal sandwich I have for lunch and subtract the Ruffles.

    I'll also eat fruit (and vegetables) as snacks during the day. Just keep a few apples and oranges in the fridge and a few cans of things like pears, peaches, and pineapple in my desk. Maybe keep a bag of carrots around.

    Does anyone know of a good microwave vegetable steamer? One that they actually have some experience with? I'll just be warming up frozen vegetables, not actually trying to cook fresh ones.

    I might also buy one of those 5,000 pill jugs of a multi from Costco. Last I checked something like this costs about $10.
     
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    Nutella is a critical supplement. I always keep some.

    A box of Frosted Flakes, too.
     
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    Farting is a sign of a bad diet?? Nutritionists always tout the cruciferous veggies (cabbage, brussels sprouts, broccoli, etc.) as nature's cancer fighters, and they're notorious gas producers.
     
  10. sureshs

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    As I had noted before.

    Veggies produce gas.
     
  11. sureshs

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    Just read in a Tennis mag health supplement issue that even Hawaiians who spend hours in the sun suffer from Vit D deficiency.

    Another reason to take supplements.
     
  12. r2473

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    I just read that Kim Kardashian is having an alien love child.
     
  13. jonnythan

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    Funny, but suresh's comment is true. Peer-reviewed study showed that many people who live in Hawaii and get lots of sun exposure (average of something like 30 hours a week) are still D deficient.
     
  14. sureshs

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    This was 20 hours a week, 10 without sun screen.

    I guess all this talk about Nature taking care of you is not working. The article advises supplements
     
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    What does "deficient" mean?

    What are the symptoms of "deficiency" (I mean when used in the context of these poor Hawaiins, not in general)?
     
  17. jonnythan

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    For the study I saw, < 30 ng/mL was considered low.
     
  18. r2473

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    What happens when you hit that level?

    I'm just assuming that "low" means low in reference to the adverse effects it has.

    Otherwise, it really doesn't mean anything.
     
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    That's the million dollar question. Very small sample size considering the ethnic/gender mix.

    NIH considers serum levels of 30-74 ng/ml (US measuring unit) normal with <8 ng/ml or 20 nmol/L (international measuring unit) being deficient. Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State is certainly more aggressive/progressive and recommends at least 32 ng/ml or 80 nmol/L as optimal. I have also seen recommendations from U of Washington list 20-50 ng/ml or 50-125 nmol/L as optimal.
     
  20. jonnythan

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    I don't know, but I assume these biologists didn't pick that number arbitrarily.
     
  21. r2473

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    This young woman doesn't look "deficient". She must use "supplements".

    [​IMG]
     
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    Multivitamin
    2 glucosamine/chondriotin tablets
     
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    Well that proves it.

    I'm selling everything and going "clean" now.

    Thanks man.
     
  24. r2473

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    That's sort of my main "gripe" with supplement users.

    Supplements (I assume) are meant to meet some deficiency that isn't being met from the foods you eat, etc.

    I challenge you to poll 1,000 supplement takers. Ask them:

    1) What they take.

    2) What they take (1) for. In other words, do they have a know deficiency. If not, what is the reason.

    3) If they are taking them for a deficiency, ask them what their level was when they started taking the supplement and what it is now and what level they need to achieve before they can stop supplementing.

    4) Same for any other reason besides "deficiency". What are they trying to do and how are they measuring the effectiveness of the supplement to achieving their goal.

    I suspect not 1 of the 1,000 people will be able to give you much of an answer to any of these questions beyond 1.

    To me, that's pretty sad.
     
  25. jonnythan

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    Yes and no. Many supplements, such as protein and fish oil, are more about intake than blood levels. Others, like vitamin D, is more about blood levels, but determining blood levels is difficult and expensive and beyond the intellectual capacity of the vast majority of people.

    There's nothing remotely harmful in taking a couple hundred or a thousand IU of D3 a day just to be sure you're getting enough.
     
  26. r2473

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    What happens when YOU don't take "enough" protein or fish oil?

    Does your cholestrol go up?

    Does your muscle start falling off (how on earth anyone in the US can be "protein deficient" is beyond me).
     
  27. r2473

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    I know. The "insurance policy" argument. That's pretty much what it comes down to with all this stuff.

    "I don't know if it does a damn bit of good, but it doesn't seem to do any harm. I can buy these multi's by the jug at Costco for $5, so what the hell"

    I just expect a bit more justification. That's all.
     
  28. Power Player

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    ^^

    Awesome..a conclusion.

    Should we debate the existence of a higher power now?
     
  29. r2473

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    Just seems odd that "big pharma" is conspiring with the healthcare industry to fill you full of medicines you don't need. However, at least people taking these medicines are (usually) being monitored by doctors for diagnosed conditions. Effecitiveness of the drug is measured.

    But with "big supplement" we gladly take a random cocktail of stuff for conditions we don't have / don't know we have / don't even exist. We take no measurements to determine effectiveness, but we still support our supplement companies. They are the good guys.

    The logic simply baffles me.

    But to be fair, many things baffle me.
     
  30. Power Player

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    Well the best way to go is study the ingredients and logs other people take before considering it for yourself.

    Go by Dr. recommendations. A Dr. recommended Vit D to me (and all his patients)for example. He studied it extensively before doing that.

    For preworkouts or supplements of that nature I personally go with ones that are used by pro athletes since they have to be clean so the players do not test positive for something illegal.
     
  31. CDestroyer

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    1. multi vitamin : diet sucks

    2. fish oil : many reasons

    3. klonopin : ADHD

    4. whiskey at night : to party:twisted:
     
  32. jonnythan

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    There's solid scientific evidence linking specfic protein intake levels to muscle maintenance and growth. I follow the clear experimentally-evaluated guidelines for protein intake as a result. Average American protein intake is not nearly sufficient for someone trying to build muscle, let alone maintain it while operating on a calorie deficit. Plus there are clear anabolic effects of protein, especially a protein as complete and loaded with BCAAs as whey protein, when consumed around the time of strenuous exercise.

    Same with fish oil. Higher levels of fish oil intake are strongly correlated with all sorts of health benefits.

    So when I don't eat enough protein, I get less muscle synthesis than I would if I didn't. If I don't consume enough EPA and DHA, I won't get the health benefits of it.

    It's pretty straightforward.
     
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    Have you ever tested to see if you are getting the effects you are paying for? If you can, test "once in a while" using a method that you have no control over and is considered reliable (hydro, DXA, bod pod). I bet you will be surprised. Seriously. Both with your actual rate of LBM growth (at comparable bf%) and the rate of loss as you lose weight. Stay away from the BB sites. Take your own stats and see what is actually happening with your own body. Don't trust all these moronic studies. And don't just assume that, because you gained X pounds and can bench more that you suddenly gained .5X muscle. Or because you lost X pounds you probably lost .3X muscle. Actual testing may surprise you. I know you probably do calipers, but I've yet to see the person that doesn't test "about what I thought I was". Not surprising considering you control the test yourself.

    Fish oil may have "all sorts of health benefits", but only if you have the problems that it is meant to help with.

    -It is effetive in reducing the incidence of heart disease. Well, if you did a bit deeper, you'll see that the study suggests that combinng fish oil with statins works better than just statins alone. Well, guess what, I don't need statins. Do you?

    -Reduce high cholesterol . I don't have high cholesterol. Do you?

    -Lowers blood pressure. I don't have high blood pressure. Do you?

    - Reduces inflammation. Again, I have no need of that. Do you?

    And so on.

    http://www.fishoilblog.com/8-fish-oil-benefits.php
     
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    I don't have the equipment to test blood nitrogen balance, and I don't have the time or energy to do a months-long uncontrolled single-subject experiment; nor do I have the ability to accurately predict whether I will personally get heart disease in 25 years.

    So.....

    BTW, I do keep a daily log of my weight and body fat (measured daily upon waking on a body fat scale and with calipers once a week - it's not super accurate, but it's good enough for trends. And someone else does the caliper testing on me so I don't "control it myself.")

    And, uh, "moronic studies"? I don't consider hard science moronic, and i'm saddened that you do. Read this for a pretty good overview on modern protein science: http://www.jissn.com/content/3/1/7
     
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  35. r2473

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    If you are seeing the benefits and are comfortable with the feedback you are getting, that's great.

    I simply feel that many people address problems that don't exist with ineffective products (while neglecting the basics).

    But I'm certainly not an expert. Nothing of the sort. I just try to balance common sense and empirical feedback against "other" information that may or may not be applicable.
     
  36. jonnythan

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    I'm not disagreeing with you, but it's not like supplementing vitamin D and fish oil have a big negative side. All indications are that it's a good idea, and I encourage everyone to take D and fish oil.
     
  37. sureshs

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    And I do............
     
  38. r2473

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    I'll meet you in Hawaii. You bring the D supplements.

    [​IMG]
     
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    At times I make up a half pound of bacon with nothing else and just munch on it.

    Then I tried a whole pound and my tongue was sore for a few days. :(

    Nothing wrong with the diet going south now and then I figure.
     
  40. r2473

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    Stop tonguing your bacon man.
     
  41. GRANITECHIEF

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    You mean like the south beach diet?

    Another vote for Vit D and EFA (fish oil) supplements just because its cheap and supposed to be good for you, so WTF.
     
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    Yeah, that's one good recommendation.
    To make fish oil work better, use astaxanthin with it(2-4mg/day).
     
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    Whey Protein:6-8 scoops/day depending if I'm working out or not
    Casein:2 scoops at night after fitness days only(6 scoops of whey on workout days)
    CLA: 6 pills a day
    KreAlkalyne EFX: 3-5grams/day
    BCAA:4grams on workout days only
     
  44. TennisMaverick

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    Animal Pak
    Creatine/Protein Shake
    BCAA's
    NO product
    Fish Oils
    Mag
    Potassium
    Zinc
    Multitude of OTC TCM
     
  45. sureshs

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    What OTC TCM meds are available? Where can they be found?
     
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    If you can buy it in China, you can buy it here, and they export the best quality to pass US government regs and inspection. You can find them online, Amazon, distributor specific sites, or if you live in N.A., SF, LA, Philly, Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, NYC, Boston, Houston, D.C., etc., all have Chinatowns with TCM doctors and TCM pharmacies.
     
  47. sureshs

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    I know there are TCM practioners around here but don't think it is available in mainstream stores.

    Under what keywords do you search in amazon.com?
     
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    Here is a good site. Start with this tonic and peruse the site. Many athletes take this, but it is best to see a TCM practitioner. Tell him you only want OTC, and ask him what you will need. He will ask you questions, look at your tongue, and feel your pulse. Then, he can prescribe you OTC herbs, unless, you have a real issue, and in that case, will need fresh herbs made in a formula specifically for you. In either case, it is usually free for the exam, or massively inexpensive, like $35 and less.

    http://www.cgcmall.com/codonopsis-astragalus-combination-shen-qi-da-bu-wan/

    Once you focus in on what herbs that you want to take, google the name in English or Chinese pinyin, and they come-up all over.
     
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    I've added a turmeric capsule to my regimen recently -- we cook with it but not regularly. The data on the curcumin in it is very encouraging.
     
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