Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by jamesblakefan#1, Mar 22, 2010.
Watched the "Hidden". great movie.....very good
I don't think so. Asian smart stereotype may have been there about him in general, but he seemed more of a leader-type. The cultural joke was not about smartness - having an uncle in China isn't about smartness. I was talking about that particular comment, maybe you are referring to the character in general. Would a different guy be assumed to have an uncle in Norway because he is of Norwegian descent or someone else an uncle in Ethiopia?
The overall level of comedy was low. This is the second movie after Jurassic World in which the characters are parodies of themselves. Do you think the Martinez (the Hispanic requirement) guy would be really smiling and cracking jokes if he was in a spaceship which could be destroyed any time in a dangerous maneuver? It is a joke about him being a joke.
I cannot understand why they do this. After spending so much time and money on special effects, they make a mockery of the human characters.
No. I am specifically referring to the comment he made. You clearly missed the frankly quite obvious joke he intended with his comment. You misinterpreted it as him actually meaning he had an influential uncle in China when in fact he was boasting to his peers that it took his type (Asian/Chinese people - pandering to the stereotype) to solve the problem for them... effectively: "look at how we saved your ass."
Your sarcasm radar was really off on that one.
They cast Kristen Wiig in a key, supposedly serious, role. That should tell us enough about how much they cared about attempting to be credible.
Elevator to the Gallows / Ascenseur pour l'echafaud (1958) - Louis Malle. Seeing it again after a year or so. Very interesting.
On the Waterfront (1954)
Watched it for the first time and enjoyed it but will forget it quickly IMO. Put back into the context of 1954 it sure is a great movie however.
Featuring Marlon Brando (Best actor award).
Oh I see.
But usually an Asian-American is an institution like NASA would go out of the way to avoid being linked with China. He might crack a joke about smart Chinese-Americans, but not one implying people in China being superior to people in the USA.
So then it comes back to a bad stereotype (unpatriotic) that the director is implying.
Why I say this is because in the photos of some older launch by NASA, there was an Asian guy who was easily identified because he used to keep an American flag beside him in mission control (some non-Caucasian guys think that they need to display flags or be overtly patriotic to compensate for not fitting in).
FFS he wasn't implying that people IN China were superior or anything to do with avoiding being linked with China. He was playing to the stereotype by suggesting it took China to solve America's problem and, because he himself is of Chinese lineage, the joke is complete.
You have totally missed the plot here. The stereotype is in commonplace and since movies generally try to somewhat reflect the real world, and most people would find humour in it, the director made use of it. It meant he could get a laugh without telling an obvious gag - which wouldn't fit with the tone of the film at all.
Seriously. If it takes this much effort to explain such an obvious joke you really lack a basic skill. You seem to have some slightly psychotic racism-obsessed mindset which constantly overlays misguided and frankly stupid cultural/racial overtones on things that don't warrant it at all.
I suggest you do some further looking beyond stopping at the first photo that confirms your own story. I google image searched for "nasa mission control flag" and dozens of the photos contain flags all over the place. My assumption from that is that a US flag in mission control is nothing remotely out of the ordinary. But your obsession with racism issues sees you interpret a random photo in a way which is almost certainly spurious.
For the sake of preventing you arguing this instead of googling I've collated a random selection here:
(All show multiple US flags strewn throughout mission control.)
I don't understand why you take such a small issue so seriously.
The photo I was referring to was not just a US flag in a room but one that this guy kept with him at all times in all photos.
In any case, I don't think you have explained the uncle reference. Being of a certain lineage and having an uncle there are two different issues. In fact, having too many relatives in a supposedly unfriendly country can be used to deny security clearance.
The joke was more similar to asking someone called Francino if he has relatives in the mafia.
Because you claimed "But they had to screw up somewhere - and they did. The lead mission engineer, a fat Chinese-American guy, somehow turns out to have an influential uncle in the Chinese space mission. Yeah they still could not leave him alone as a guy born and brought up in the US and leave it at that. Stupid."
You missed the mark on basically every point in that paragraph. Since you're so intent on always being a bringer of knowledge etc on the board you needed to be called out on it. Period.
Then you should have said so instead of "...because in the photos of some older launch by NASA, there was an Asian guy who was easily identified because he used to keep an American flag beside him in mission control..."
You just changed your example slightly now so it shifts the goal posts to make your example seem special when it probably isn't.
Cousin/uncle is a pretty commonplace joke which basically means "people like me" (e.g. ethnically, by nationality, religiously etc)
I cannot believe I am still explaining a joke most 15 year olds would get.
WTF? The guy is HEAD of JPL, the time for him to worry about security clearance because of some chance a relative might increase his likelihood of risk is probably 20 years gone.
No, it's more similar to an Italian-American taking pride in an Italian football team beating another country and joking to his mates how good "my cousins" are.
Man I struggle to remember someone with a humour radar as busted as you've demonstrated here.
Watched The Accused that gave Foster her first oscar. Good but not remarkable movie. It's one of these films that doesn't have anything special plot wise or anything else but is made good due to opportunities it gave to the performers
Watched The Dark Knight Trilogy back to back to back (with breaks of course). Watching it this way, I feel the movies come as one great cohesive story. Just how Nolan's storytelling was done on each movie is awesome; and as a whole it comes together epically.
I also want to note that, I think, The Dark Knight is cited by a good majority as the best in the trilogy; but for me I'd have to go with Batman Begins, as I prefer its overall tone, story and representation of Batman himself.
Begins is a better Batman movie, but I find TDK a better overall movie. Not by much, though.
I watched The Fighter again tonight and enjoyed it even more than the first time I saw it. I had a tear in my eye and a big smile on my face at the very end haha.
The Hound of the Baskervilles (1959) - Several versions exist. Nice.
suresh is too busy discovering the origin of the universe, and mathematically working out the meaning of life to apply any logic or common sense (which he thinks is useless anyway) to ordinary discussions. Which is why someone recently called him the rainman of TW
Black Mass= bad *** and The Gift-worth a rental
When I watched the trilogy this way I thought The Dark Knight came off worst. It didn't quite fit. On the other hand The Dark Knight Rises came off much better than when I saw it at the cinema. I agree overall it works brilliantly as one epic 7 hour film.
Going to watch the Austrian horror movie Goodbye Mummy
"Under the skin"
Loved it. Some people hate it. My brother, when I told him about loving this movie, said something like "what's wrong with you". Oh, and he said that I only liked it because it features a naked Scarlett Johansson (yeah he's got my number). I admit that S.J. was a plus, but seriously, I really liked the movie as a piece of art.
The Scapegoat - based on the novel by Du Maurier. Alec Guiness. Decent movie, but pales in front of the book. The movie cuts down the story and the characters far too much to fit it all into 90 minutes. also, has Bette Davis playing Alec Guiness' mother.
Yes,I thought it was a really good movie,enjoyed it more than so called thinking person's sci fi like Interstellar.
Watching a double header tonight of road movies,The Vanishing (1988) and Duel (1971),although the former isn't as much of what you'd call a 'road movie' as I remember...
Prisoners. I had forgot that it ended that way! Similar to Inception ending. Leaves you in suspense.
The Age Of Adaline
I saw it at the movies, now own it on dvd, made Dad watch it and he guessed what would happen and got it right every time lol
"The Intern" --- wife and daughter chose this chick-flick for us; is it a comedy without laughs, a drama without drama, or is it just another tedious bore from director Nancy Meyers in which she works through her own issues of womanhood and divorce.
Great movie with a completely unforeseen twist at the end. But very dark themed.
Also saw Hamari Adhuri Kahani with Vidya Balan. Quite good.
BBC America got some good flicks on today. The original Total Recall and Escape from New York. As for some other stuff I've watched lately. Watched Insidious when it was on at some point. Also watched Sinister, but I thought it was kinda crappy. Preferred Insidious.
quite dark, very somber and pessimistic.
not bad though, however some of it was not that realistic which is surprising given the movie's hard/no-nonsense tone.
oh and i sincerely hope Trump supporters don't go and watch it!
Watched To Catch a Thief. I guess it was the third or fourth time. I didn't remember most of it, so all good.
Intelligent dialogues are maybe the best feature of the movie, always engaging and amusing.
Watching a documentary about North Korea at present. Amazingly, the Pyongyang subway system appears to be a few decades ahead of NYC in terms of technology and overall quality.
I am "offended" that you are watching a documentary on a former communist country, so I'm telling that you are committing the "T" word. The subway in NYC is far from a great ex. of quality. When are the Langsi's releasing the new teleporter transit?
And what did the good ladies of your family make of it!?
Next time I would sneak off to the thriller in the screening next door.
Are you talking about air force 1 helicopters?
I didn't like "Interstellar" at all.
Throwing a lot of intelligent science doesn't make smart cinema, as throwing a lot of intelligent lyrics doesn't make smart music.
Science is science. Cinema is cinema.
I found "Under the skin" to be much more smart cinema.
actually I didn't. will remedy that. Sentinel, here is a good list http://www.eddiemuller.com/top25noir.html
of the ones I've seen on that list, these were my favorites: Out of the Past, Nightmare Alley, Night and the City, The Asphalt Jungle, Criss Cross, The Killers.
very good movie
One of my faves
This Land is Mine (1943) - d by Jean Renoir. Charles Laughton, Maureen O'Hara, George Sanders.
Nice movie about German occupation.
Thanks, nice list, haven't heard of several. Seen many, too. Am downloading them.
Funny Games (2007) - Not usually a big fan of remakes,but I think this one did a fairly good job. It helped that it had the same director as the original,and was well acted...
Return To The Hiding Place (2013)
Southpaw is next.
Scarlet Street (1944) d by Fritz Lang - Edward G Robinson, Joan Bennett, Dan Duryea.
Enjoyed. Thanks for the recommendations.
Three O'Clock High (1987) - Entertaining enough 80s teen flick
Before I get to the housecleaning, I find it quite interesting that most of the reviews of the latest Steve Jobs movie--which BTW is at least the 4th feature on the late Apple co-founder in 3-4 years--have focused on whether it "captures" (whatever that means) the genius behind the man or what made him so special, when the real question we should be asking is why we need in the first place a(nother) film about a figure whose experience and faculties are so far removed from those possessed by the rest of us which today's film industry continues to ignore while churning out one superhero flick/blockbuster extravaganza after another. It's as if the bigwigs have such contempt for us bourgeois, let alone the poor who have always been neglected by filmmakers both commercial and arthouse (save notable exceptions including Chaplin, Naruse and Pasolini), that they can't be bothered to stoop to our level, and many of us love to slam this very hypocrisy of the so-called Hollywood liberals who pay lip service and little else to the pet issues of social justice, gender equality and whatnot, but we have nobody but ourselves to blame (this goes especially for the professional critics who should know better) when we keep rewarding them with record box-office receipts without demanding changes.
That said I did see two movies recently in theaters:
The Martian, which critics have been calling "a return to form." I suppose that's true in a way, as it'll likely do better in the box office than Scott's previous (relative) disappointments like Exodus. But considering he's also the guy behind Blade Runner you'd expect our arbiters of taste to demand a little more from Scott, perhaps a story of survival if not quite on par with Bresson's A Man Escaped but at least one that tells us something new about the human condition. On the plus side the various shots of the "Martian landscape" (reportedly filmed in Jordan) were indeed spectacular in 3D.
Sicario. It's easy to see why this movie has become a critics' darling: it fosters the same sentiment of smug complacency and sophistication as two other critical darlings--the Godfather trilogy (or the first two films at any rate) and the TV series The Wire which not coincidentally focuses on the drug war--by putting a scandalous spotlight on the corrupt government/authorities (supposedly implicating us in PC guilt) while decidedly offering no corrective vision of its own. Such fatalist, almost puerile cynicism might be excusable if it were accompanied by unmistakable technical invention and/or nuanced commentary, but the film is nowhere as formally accomplished than either the Godfather series or The Wire, and it amounts to little more than a lazy both-sides-are-bad moral equivalence. Even in its climactic tunnel expedition and the aftermath it fails to scintillate as a thriller. You might like it more than I did, because Emily Blunt and Benicio del Toro are indeed excellent, but I can't imagine anyone loving this movie.
And now onward....
I haven't read the Canby review and will refrain until after I see the movie, but you might wanna take Canby's reviews with a grain of salt. After all this is the same connoisseur of impeccable scholarship that virtually ended Antonioni's career in the States when he panned Identification of a Woman (which BTW is no longer quite as underrated and may in fact be my favorite work of his) for its "pretentious" lack of a conventional narrative while extolling Woody Allen's bland films as a model for him to follow. (Of course the unthinking New York hipsters followed suit by returning their tickets to Identification's screenings, while Antonioni's artistic superior Allen went on to hire Carlo Di Palma, the same guy who shot that very film as well as "Antoniennui"'s previous ones in color, for many of his own later works.) Canby was always an industry critic above anything else and whether he realized it or not he was bound to give unconventional films short shrift.
That's very unfortunate, and while I understand I might be parroting an unjust Western stereotype I suspect the Indian authorities probably aren't doing much to help. Wish I could add something more useful here.
Because merely portraying youthful innocence and compassion isn't the same as evoking said sentiments. Malle had a very clinical mind and approach and while this could work wonders in documentaries (which again I believe were his calling) it often proved woefully inadequate in his fictional endeavors. (One particularly disastrous failure of his is the barely surrealist Black Moon, which Kael once accurate described as a sane man's attempt to make a crazy man's film.)
I could almost count the ones I've seen with one hand. Will check out those favorites you mentioned (except Night and the City, which I've seen and agree is a fine noir).
I watched "Upside Down". I though it was a sci-fi movie when i read the synopsis, but was more a romance movie with a crazy sci-fi background story than anything. Anyway, nothing story wise is particular well developed here, and so not really worth watching, outside the photography and the overall visual
Crossfire 1947 - Robert Mitchum and others. About anti-Semitism. Turned out to be a bit of a whodunit.
I did see that a year or so back.
Red Rock West (1993) - Nicolas Cage,Lara Flynn Boyle,Dennis Hopper,JT Walsh. May have had a couple of implausible plot developments but overall it was a very engaging Western neo-noir...
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
First and last Western I see.
Second time I see a Clint Eastwood movie (Gran Torino) and I'll avoid him as much as possible.
Watch unforgiven, it's his masterpiece
^^ ahhh, Unforgiven...."It's quite a thing to kill a man. You take away everything he's got, everything he's ever gonna have."
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