What was the turning point for Nadal’s pitfall this year

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What was the turning point?

  1. Major upset in the hands of Soderling

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  2. Losing to Federer in Madrid

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  3. Lost confidence

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  4. Ran out of gas in May

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  1. TMF

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    While most fans agree Federer’s turning point this year was his win in Madrid, but what about Nadal?

    What was Nadal’s turning point for his 2009 pitfall?
     
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  2. When he got steamrolled by Soderling!:twisted:
    It was a fantastic day
     
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  3. DownTheLine

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    His 4th round loss at the FO. He then was mentally crushed so he took Wimbledon off.
     
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    playing Barcelona..playing 3 weeks in a row when you later claim you had been playing through pain for months is just..well..no words for it really :lol:
     
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    Losing to Soderling.
     
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  6. Jason Vorhees

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    You (+ every fedfan) were probably relieved more than happy, knowing the only way Federer would win is by someone else playing Fed in the final instead of nadal, who, lets face it, has handled Federer on clay pretty easily.
     
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  7. TMF

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    Did you even look at the poll?

    Who handled who's better the last time they met on clay?
     
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  8. Jason Vorhees

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    just quoting someone, none of your business.
     
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  9. IvanAndreevich

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    Frankly, I think Nadal didn't play great the whole clay court season. He was stretched, even though he won pretty much everything. His stats (UE-Winners) were also pretty poor for his standards. In 2008 he pretty much blew everyone off the court.

    I think it was from playing too many events such as Rotterdam and Barcelona, and over training.
     
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  10. Well, you cant live in the past, live today! And the last time Federer-Nadal played on clay Fed won pretty easy in 2 straight sets.
    Soderling knocking Nadal out of Paris didnt do any damage too Federer im sure, who cares?? If Nadal cant find a way too get through to GS-finals-thats too bad! Fed can.
     
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  11. How about the rest off the players have improved on clay?
     
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  12. Jason Vorhees

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    But i think Federer did say to himself 'this could be by last chance to win FO, without nadal this could also be the best chance i'll get too'
     
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  13. IvanAndreevich

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    Winners to unforced ratios for Nadal were poor. He kept dropping the ball short. Nadal didn't play nearly as well as he did last year - that's a fact.

    I kept thinking almost all the way through the clay season: "Incredible how crappy Nadal can play (by his standards) and still win everything!"
     
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  14. Maybe he did, who knows?
    At the end of the day came final, Fed was on one side, Nadal wasnt on the other.
     
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  15. big bang

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    where is the "other" option? why make a poll like this??? its pretty clear that Rafa got injured because of his insane schedule and dropped the #1 spot due to his inactivity.. the options in this poll is BS,
     
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  16. Well again, maybe his opponents had something too do with that. When you drop the ball short-there might be a reason for that.
     
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  17. Dont listen too this crazy Dane, hes had too much beer!
     
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  18. IvanAndreevich

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    What's the definition of an unforced error? And obviously I am not referring to Nadal dropping the ball short when it's being blasted from the other side.
     
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  19. drakulie

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    Nadal was injured this whole year, and last, and the one before that, and so on. So it is hard to pin point any time/date.
     
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  20. Hard to tell, alright then-fair enough.
     
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    LMAO!!! so suddently the whole pro-tour improved their clayskills over night huh? and improved so much that they could beat the king of clay LOL, sounds very logic:)
    why is it so hard to admit that rafa killed himself this season? like it or not he is GOAT on clay and dominated everybody since he was a teenager:) deal with it!!
     
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    after a lot of research, the scientific community finally pinpointed the date:

    June 3rd, 1986
     
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    king of clay? you mean the new king of clay? roger federer?
     
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  24. Suddenly? it was 1 year since the last clay-season.
    There always comes a time when someone breaks ground, i think DelPo and Soderling shoewd everyone on tour how too beat Nadal especilly on HC obviously.
    No he is not, that would be BJORN BORG
     
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  25. IvanAndreevich

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    But seriously, drak, don't you think Nadal's playing too many mickey mouse events has something to do with his poor results and injuries towards the ends of seasons (historically) or towards the middle in this case?
     
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  26. :):twisted::):twisted:
     
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  27. big bang

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    too much beer? that was you and the rest of your little swedish friends this saturday when we beat you:) LOL hope you guys like our bighouse:):)
     
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    LOL you two seem to team up everytime, are you dating or going steady?:)
    you sure make me laugh:) king of clay: Fed LMAO.. Borg, yes he was good in the stoneage, today he would get killed out there..
     
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  29. TMF

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    Here are his total matches each year BEFORE playing RG:

    2005….48 matches
    2006….32
    2007….43
    2008….44
    2009….47

    The numbers are very close. If 2009 was an insane schedule so was the previous years( except in 2006). All the years he won RG he never skipped grass season. Plus, losing early at the FO this year gave him more time to rest for queen & SW19.

    He was having a Soderling syndrome, not b/c of an insane schedule.
     
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  30. Are you telling everyone who disagrees with you that?? Fantastic.
    Havent you learned not too compare eras, newb.
     
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    danes are great people-how did you turn out so obnoxious?
     
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  32. Exactly
    10 char
     
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  33. drakulie

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    Nope. .............
     
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    Wheres the injury option in the poll?
     
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  35. Yeah its hard too win when you get 2 goals taken away by a referee who had white& red underwear!:evil:
    We totally owned the match
     
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  36. drakulie

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    no need for one. Perhaps you could start your own thread.
     
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  37. Agassifan

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    Soderling's upset ranks among the top 3 in the history of tennis. That has to be hard to recover from. I dont think Rafa will get over it AT LEAST until he wins the next french.
     
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    let me tell you one thing.. I am not even fan of Nadal, but the way you *******s talk about your "god" really makes me sick..
    sure Fed is better on fast courts, but you guys should drop the worshiping for a sec or two and take a look at the facts: Rafa is bar far a superior claycourter to Fed.. Fed wins a match every now and then. Fed is a superior fastcourt player, but still Rafa snatched his wimby titel from him..
    If you really think Fed is that great you should respect Nadal for being able to beat him even at wimby..
    I respect Fed for his talent and skills, but I respect Rafa even more for his fighterinstinct and being able to beat a more talented player again and again..
     
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  39. TMF

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    Also the schedule between RG and SW19 is so close and he didn’t have enough time to relieves some pain. Had the SW19 was 2 months further apart, maybe he would showed up.
     
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    perhaps you saw a different match?? fact is that we qualified as #1..
     
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  41. I was watching the same match as you were, yes you did with the referees help. But where were you last World Cup? And last European Championship? Where? I cant remember
     
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    yesterday was yesterday, what counts is present time:) did you say the same when Fed won FO?? bet you didnt say, he finally won but it dont matter cause he got beaten in straight sets and bageled last year or did you?:)
     
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  43. Well at least he won it fair and square, without HUGE help from the referee.
     
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    well first of all I hate football, so I didnt watch the match.. but of course I cheer for my country no matter what sport it is:) I saw the highlights on the news, that was enough for me
     
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    He was having a "soderling syndrome":confused:?

    What is the logic behind this assumption? Nadal got beat by a guy he hates in RG so he decides to skip queens and wimbledon as a result of that? Do you realise how stupid that sounds? So Nadal decided to skip the most important tournament in the world,on a surface which favours him(and he was defending champion) because of fear of losing(presumably he was hiding in a corner the whole time after RG),"invents" a injury to get out of playing these events and decides to come back on his worst surface,in a time of season which doesn't usually favour him and gets soundly beaten about 4 times(way worse than in the Soderling match)but he doesn't quit a tournament until he gets a muscle tear and skips bangkok. Why didn't Nadal quit(invent a injury) after getting beat again and again in the HC season? Well he didn't quit because he felt he was healthy enough to compete,unlike after RG.

    And the funniest part about Nadal's withdrawal from wimbledon out of fear was that he had a easy draw,he didn't have any big hitters on his part if I remember correctly.
     
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  46. This is exactly what i asked in my thread.

    If you say that he was not tired/exhausted/injured at RG, then there is nothing wrong with playing 3 weeks in a row, so why are you surprised about it?
     
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    Not a good indicator. In 2008 he blew everyone off the court quickly. In 2009, he fought through tough long matches where he had to defend a lot. The number of matches doesn't take that into account.
     
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    You either didn’t get my point or completely ignoring it.

    *******s’ excuse was Nadal’s brutal schedule was the sole reason he withdrew. However, I’ve shown in his previous years he was playing plenty of tennis too and the difference was he won RG. Losing RG this year was the biggest blow since he is the clear favorite to win it. It certainly hammered his confidence. Had he won RG, it would be another routine year for him to go to queen and SW19. He lost b/c of injury? Let me ask you this….did anyone ever even thought about him losing RG after he demolished Hewitt? Don’t tell me you did. Added to insult was he went on to lose to Wawrinka and Hewitt on grass before SW19, which even crippled his confidence. He just didn’t believe he can win SW19 so he took off. Guess what he did during his time off? And no, he didn’t rest to nurse his so called tendinitis.

    You’re using HC to compared clay is rather silly. Clay surface doesn’t bother players’ joints, it’s the HC. Nadal’s kryptonite is the HC. Get it?

    Lastly, just b/c Nadal withdrew SW19 doesn’t mean any other players would of done the same if they were in his position. How many player withdrew from SW19 after winning the previous year? How many???
     
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  49. TMF

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    Number of matches doesn't take into account but what resting time?

    How many days of rest did he got between RG, queen and SW19 in 2008?

    How many days of rest did he got between RG and SW19?

    Who had more stressful time between that stretch???
     
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    Playing x number of matches in a year isn't the be-all and end-all of fatigue/injury. Nadal wasn't playing at his best even during the tournaments he was winning in the clay season. I was shocked when he chose to play Barcelona, and was even more shocked when he went to Madrid.

    If you followed all those tournaments it was easy to see Nadal's drop in level during that period. IMO his going to Barca and Madrid when his knees were giving him trouble was absolutely moronic. He doesn't need to play himself into form on clay, and if he'd given up the 1100 points he got from those two tournaments I think he'd have eight slams by now.

    I also think it was stupid of him to play Beijing last week.

    Ran out of gas in May is the closest option to the truth.
     
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