What's my approximate rating? (video)

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  1. TomT

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    I stopped eating bread, pasta, rice, sugar, desserts, and processed and canned foods. Eat only whole foods now. Except for cheese occasionally. Meats, eggs, raw fruits and veggies, raw nuts and seeds, fresh herbs and spices. Also, virgin organic hemp and coconut oils. My weight has leveled off at between, say, 177 and 182 lbs at any given weighing. When I came back to tennis in early 2012 I was around 210. So, I think this current diet is a good one. Juicing with an extractor that basically pulverizes and makes into a nice smoothie any veggies, fruits, leafy greens, nuts, seeds, etc. that you put into it is a great way to get sufficient amounts of that stuff. I've eaten more vegetables, fruits, seeds and spinach in the past several weeks than I did in the preceding decade I think. :)
     
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    Sure the extra weight might slow you down but the main thing about footwork is that it is technique and not necessarily about athleticism or flexibility etc. Proper footwork technique will enable you to move better, react quicker, strike the ball better, and recover better no matter how much you weigh. A big part of tennis is about making more time for yourself and taking time away from your opponent. This is accomplished via footwork.

    The one move you should get down is crossover step followed by shuffle steps. It's a pattern that's easy to practice and you should be able to pick up in a few days. When you are stretched wide and need to recover back to center / near center you start with a crossover and then 2 or 3 shuffles. This is the fastest most efficient way to get back to center. It should only take 3-4 steps. A crossover is good because after being stretched your weight is already properly setup for a crossover and a crossover enables you to cover a large distance in one step. Shuffles are good because they keep your torso facing the net, they keep you in balance, they set you up for split steps and enable you to go in either direction quickly.

    Here's Fed doing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6-Bh7jOA88&t=3m4s
     
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    Hey! Sorry for the delay in replying! Thank you so much for the great response!

    I have been working on my footwork and watching a lot of practice footage of the pros to see what they're doing in those slower matches. I'm having a hard time adding small steps in my set up for the shot. I'm still taking big lunges rather than a bunch of small steps.
     
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    I'd say you're 4.0 with no hesitation...
    Don't believe most of the answers to "what is my ranking?" on the TTverse-reality is a little bit warped here
     
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    Thanks so much for the feedback. :)

    I'm struggling to get practice time in lately. One regular partner just had surgery and the other just had a baby (well, his wife did), so I'm chomping at the bit to get out there and improve.
     
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    From what I saw I would guess 4.0. You put points together well and seem like you have some really nice touch. It is hard to tell the pace but you are consistent enough and have good placement so I would say that gets higher than a 3.5. Good stuff, man. Keep it up!
     
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    Thanks!! I appreciate it!
     
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    Lots of good input from other TWer's. Here's what jumps out at me...

    First, your opponent is very steady and competent, but does not appear to have any real weapons, but even so you seem to be running uphill much of the time. He knows how to play you and exploit your vulnerabilities.

    I am not seeing a much of a split step on every ball and little in the way of real rotation. So that needs work. You need better recovery and court position. Do not come to the net until you develop an effective approach shot. Don't cut your shots too fine -- this is a natural tendency but better to leave some margin for error and work better angles. Not as much fun, but it is effective.

    But the big thing that jumps out at me are your feet. With all due respect, they are just incredibly heavy. Your movement is lumbering. From what I can see you are a very good ball striker (even when out of position or off balance) and have a good general idea of how to use different shots.

    In my opinion, the best investment in time is to diligently work on your footwork (much more time than on your strokes) and, I believe, all else will fall into place. Footwork drills specific to tennis and general drills using an agility ladder will lighten and speed up your footwork. That's is really all I think you need.

    Good job.
     
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    Thank you so much! I am definitely going to focus on my footwork. Ill post an updated video after a few months of practice.

    Thanks again!
     
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    andre - I was going to say footwork was the key for you! Would love to see a newer vid once you've worked on it!
     
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    I'm going to deviate from popular opinion and say 3.0 at best. You have the concepts, but the form is way off. I think consistency in addition to proper form would be more indicative of a true 4.0.
     
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    Thanks Govnor!!! How have you been?
     
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    3.0 at best? You are much too kind.
     
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  16. LeeD

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    Oh gads !!!!!
    4.0. Most real 4.0 show some anticipation, bagel there.
    3.5. Yes, you can definitely play 3.5 tourneys, but get bagelled in 3.5 league.
    3.0. About your sweetspot.
    Note !!! Look at your opponent, guess his skills. Your's are better, but not by all that much.
     
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    Well... I disagree, to put it mildy. Find me a video of 3.0 tennis that looks anything like those and we can talk...

    You really think OP is a full level (or more) below these guys?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnSmzPiZ2Lo

    I think he'd beat both of them pretty handily.
     
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  18. LeeD

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    Hat's off to Avles, he found two 3.5's who will NEVER make 4.0 in their lives, and having the worst strokes possible, are maximizing there game for today, with no hope of moving up and getting better tomorrow.
    There are beginner tennis players of ONE month with better strokes.
    So, OP, with strokes that bad, but worse anticipation and court sense, would lose to those guys, making him a .......3.0.
     
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    I found the USTA page of the guy who posted that 3.5 video-- he's still a 3.5, but he seems to be playing up at 4.0 this year.

    His most recent match was a 6-1, 6-1 win against a fellow 3.5. Ten days ago, he took a set off a 4.0. So it looks like he's gotten better since this video was posted, and his chances of moving up to 4.0 look pretty good.

    Just a quick reality check...
     
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  20. LeeD

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    No check here....
    My normal game on weekends is against the guys on the DaviesStadium 4.0 league team. I am the Alpha male in regards to hitting hard, and winning the most sets.
    The local Claremont 4.5 team consists of 4 of my peers, guys I've played with and always beat less than 5 years ago.
    The SanRafael 4.0 league team, state champs in 2011, consist of 12 guys. I've never lost to 8 of them, in over 5 sets played, and only ONE has a winning record against me, and I'm blind at night....we only play at night.
    But 5 years ago, I tore a couple of tendons on the top of my foot, so I can play singles only at the very highest 3.5 level, possibly breadsticking those guys you show on the vids.
     
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    Your opponent should of mixed up the serve more. Looked like he was just hitting the lefty slice at you.

    On the ad side he should of kicked some down the line. To me it looked like his placement didn't change that much.
     
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  22. Avles

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    That's truly fascinating LeeD.

    But getting back to the thread topic, OP is pretty clearly not a 3.0 or close to it. At the very least he would be able to hang with the guys in that 3.5 video and I think he would do better.
     
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  23. LeeD

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    Don't think so, if those guys are top 3.5's.
    Andre has not played tourneys, doesn't have match experience.
    He can HIT better than those 3.5's, YES.
    But your ranking is based on tournament PLAY, not just hitting around with your buds.
     
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  24. PureAlph4

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    Quoted for truth. :eek:
     
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  25. LeeD

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    Weekends, it's mostly 4.0 league level doubles, sometimes mixed. We rotate when one court get's to 4, first team to 4, games, so it's constant rotations thru 3 courts.
    Don't matter who my partner is, we usually win.
    Of course, given an inconsistent player playing badly, I do lose occasionally, like one in 5 sets. It's fine, winning or losing matters little, how I play matters huge.
    Remember, I used to play A/Open level, and volleying is my game. You don't go 3 rounds in Open tourneys having a 4.5 level serve, unless maybe you have 6.0 level groundies, which I don't.
     
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  26. PureAlph4

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    Makes sense. As you have always maintained, nowadays you're a solid 4.5 doubles player, but at best an immobile, falling 4.0 with 5.0+ strokes when it comes to singles.
     
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    Push comes to shove, I always rate myself "highest 3.5", to be safe, and to take the pressure off myself, especially when meeting fellow TW crewman.
     
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    A LeeD sighting on my thread! Thanks!

    :)

    I am fine at whatever my level is, as I am just glad to be back on the courts after so many years away from the game. Just as a point of reference, though, I just returned from 10 days in the Bay Area where I visited my sister (who is currently 18-0 in her league). I played mostly doubles matches that she arranged, but was able to play a set against one of the better men's 4.0 league singles players and also participate in a 4.0 clinic.

    I beat the 4.0 (6-4) and my sister and I won 12 of the 13 doubles matches we played, against a variety of opponents. In the 4.0 clinic, the coach told my sister that I was in the appropriate clinic.

    I definitely need a lot of work on my footwork and a lot of tournament experience, but I think I'm on track for 4.0 soon. Maybe not, though.
     
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    Just watched the video. I honestly hate what I am about to say, but I don't think I lose a game to either of them. I know that sounds horrible, and that I have a lot of holes in my game, but they aren't remotely close to the level of the guys I play on a regular basis and I am generally competitive with them.
     
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    Poster 78, I KNOW 3.5 is pathetic. Why do you think windsurfing is my main sport, and I play tennis about once or twice max a week? I'm 64, have two torn ankle tendons, can't run, and going downhill fast.
    Andre, might I ask WHERE in the BayArea? I play in the EastBay, usually Berkeley, at the SanPablo courts mostly. NO 4.0's I play with hit as soft as you do.
     
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  31. andrehanderson

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    Hi Lee, I played at Chabot Tennis Club.
     
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  32. LeeD

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    Cool.
    Guys on the 4.0 team are almost good enough to play 4.5 level tourneys.
    But they hit HARD, the same as the 4.5 team, but a little more errant.
     
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    Let's try to get out and hit the next time I make it out there! I have always enjoyed your posts and would really like the chance to hit the courts with you. Thanks so much for the input!
     
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    3.5 at best. Almost there to be 4.0
     
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    I rate solid 3.5. Here's my my new simplified video based 3.0 to 4.0 NRTP rating guide:

    3.0 Beginner/feeble/morbidly obese person tennis

    3.5 Goofy, grooved strokes that often land in, clumsy but effective footwork. Lots of stupid errors

    4.0 Noticeably better form than 3.5, with fewer really stupid UEs, better second serves

    The OP clearly falls into the 3.5 category, with the will and ability to make it to 4.0. More league/tournament play and more feedback from TW and he'll be there.
     
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  36. LeeD

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    Andre, it would be a pleasure to hit with you, anytime.
    Just hit the travel section, shout out for play around Berkeley area.
     
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    I can say with 100% confidence you are right between a 3.5 and a 4.0. You would be a REALLY successful 3.5, or a lower ranged 4.0 player. But on a good day, I could see you playing solidly on the 4.0 level.
     
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    dude, I have no idea where you found this but there are not 3.5 caliber players, not in my area at least. They look like AVERAGE 3.0 at best... Is there a chance this is a 3.5 seniors league or something?? I used to play 3.5, and I NEVER played anyone at this low of a level.
     
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    I tremble in the presence of your awesomeness.
     
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    I think you nailed it with this post. Thank you!
     
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    Thanks, Lee! I live in Brazil so I dont make it out there often, but I will definitely look you up. If you have the time after hitting, lunch is on me!
     
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    Thank you!

    I think you are correct. I make a lot of unforced errors on my bad days, but on my good days I think my game is pretty solid. In watching recent video I still see so many things I need to work on, though.
     
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    Maybe it's a regional thing, but like my earlier post said, the guy who posted the video is now playing up at 4.0 (18 and over, not seniors) and not getting crushed, so I think that's gotta be legit 3.5, by Southern VA standards anyway.

    Maybe the 3.5s are a lot better in your area, but that's a proposition that's been met with a lot of skepticism on these boards (I have zero USTA experience so can't weigh in). Best way to find out about that would be to see a video of the 3.5s from your area...
     
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    I like that new vid andre! I see improvements for sure! I'm not sure if it's the footwork, or you just seem to be hitting cleaner. Getting closer to a 4.0 in that vid I think. Your approach shots could use a little work though :)

    I'm well btw!! I hope we can play some day, but I know it'll be tough to make happen.

    Keep playing!
     
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    That is some strange video editing.
    What was the final score?
     
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  48. LeeD

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    Avles...
    Great stuff. Court looks good, as do all the surfaces of the courts.
    Those 3.5's are not heading anywhere near the semis.
    I played most of my singles on Court6-7 or Courts 2-3.
    Court 12 was the practice court for better players, but just hitting practice.
     
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    Spoken like someone who's never seen themselves playing on video. LOL.
     
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  50. Avles

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    I looked up that tournament.

    This was a second round match. There were 16 players in the draw.

    So this was the QF.

    Unless they both lost this match, one of them went to the semis.
     

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