What's the appeal of rap?

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  1. Sumo

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    It was more a comment on the tone of his posts than anything else. They were coming off as very crotchety.
     
  2. Fearsome Forehand

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    What is the appeal of rap?

    Their parents hate it.
     
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    ++1 on the bolded part. The stereotyping was the first thing I noticed about the original post.
     
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    I really agree with a lot of your post, that all genres have their good and bad artists. I also agree that there is often not a lot of substance in mainstream rap. You have to look harder, but rappers that have substance in their raps are out there. I do not know your religious beliefs but there is a lot of good Christian rap with good positive messages made by people like Lecrae, Tedashii, Trip Lee, Andy Mineo, KJ-52, J-Son, and Steven Cooper.

    I really find myself a fan of particular songs as opposed to artists when it comes to mainstream rap. I think that Eminem has some great songs, and some songs that I do not want to listen to. The same goes for a lot of the other artists. I like certain songs they do but I am not a fan of their entire body of work, if that makes sense.
     
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    Rap haters often are closed minded and not willing to listen to deeper songs with actual meaning and judge based off the Soulja Boys and 2 Chainz of the world.

    Most popular rap artists have great GREAT songs that talk about real issues, but aren't put out bc too often just like most things in life, rap has to cater to the lowest common denominator to make as much as possible. But yeah, rap sucks and get off of my lawn. :roll:
     
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    Is this music? I am having trouble humming the melody:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldPMifPbngc
     
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    boom, boom, boom, "so I shot the bytch!"

    Anyone who reads about current music, say in Rolling Stone, knows that producers actively seek out violent and underclass minority themes for rap. It's proven. It sells among the white suburban youth, who want to style themselves as subversive. This is known.

    It is interesting in this light that some rappers who don't have an inner city gang lifestyle feel that they have to adopt this mode to get their music across. Speaking historically, rap really needs an "Elvis Presley" who can reasonably present it across the spectrum of society.

    I'll take a listen to any non-violent, positive rap songs you can recommend. Send me a few suggestions. I just don't like the idea of shootin' my ho or slappin' my *****. I don't dance in clubs, so I need more than a drum beat.

    (Speaking personally, I'm the kind of guy who understates himself, and comes from this ethic, and so the obscene and fake-sounding self-promotion: "I'm the greatest the world has ever seen," comes across as false or insecure or fake).

    It's not at all racist to note that just as country music comes from. . . ta, da!. . . the countryside, and tha contemporary urban music, nee rap, comes from, the inner city. I point this out as a pure fact, and skip the emotional response you might inject when you read this. Facts are facts, stubborn as they are.

    I DO take objection to being classified as a "rap hater"; come on, the world is more than just black and white on these issues! I'm sure there are folks who think rap is just okay, but who don't love it intensely, and I'm sure there are folks who will listen to rap but who also listen to other stuff. It's not an either/or matter; this is a false dichotomy on opinions here. Heck, I remember requesting "the Message" dozens of times on the campus radio when it came out.
     
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    Love Jay Z and Tupac...fantastic...even if you didn't say it.
     
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    Really trying to hold my tone w/ the obvious undertones you have max. You want good rap? Here, take a listen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7B2VgRShew

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVtpXvzzXiA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tto9o8hTl8I

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4mfcFRXpYY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-vQ_VsTkn0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jOODy6en-Y

    There's plenty more, but that's just for starters. It's always bad to generalize about anything in life. You are really on the line of being closed minded. Plenty others have mentioned great rap artists that don't talk about shooting hoes or the other stereotypes you hold about rap.
     
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    It will be interesting to see what sort of popular music succeeds rap. Will the pendulum swing back towards popular recording artists being able to sing well and/or play an instrument well? Or, will some lower form of "art" (if that is possible) replace rap?

    I admire people who can actually sing well, or play an instrument well; people who have an accomplished talent. Rap always struck me as monotonous, monotone, idiotic, devoid of any real talent except the talent of jumping around and shouting stupid, strained rhymes to an assembly of morons. The lowest form of "art" imaginable. The pop art of music.
     
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    EDM is the fastest growing form of popular music currently in the world. So that will answer your first paragraph.

    The second is obvious that you do not know much about rap. For example, many of Tupac's productions featured live instruments, and he even played shows with a full band many times. even sample based music that would probably be much too "street" for you had live players. A perfect example of this is 400 degreez by Juvenile. An incredibly well produced record with complex drum programming and live guitar and bass.
     
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    Did Tupac learn to play an instrument before he was shot to death by a music lover? :)
     
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    your thread comes across as intolerant at the very least and perhaps hateful. You ask people in your opening post to indicate if they are from the ghetto and if they're under 21. What does this have to do with the music? Nothing, actually. So there appears to be some other agenda, such as to view the music not in its own right but as some sort of limited cultural phenomenon.
     
  15. max

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    Please. . . Read more.
     
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    Thanks. But generalizations are how humans live life on an everyday basis, use of habits, etc. Stereotypes serve useful functions, although in 2013 America we're often reminded of their downside.

    As I mentioned to you, rap has been sold in the way that generates this perception. It's the marketing.
     
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    Flavor Flav is a musical prodigy and can play multiple instruments.
     
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    It's one thing to generalize, another to be closed minded. So far you're doing more of the latter.
     
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    Immortal Technique - Dance with the Devil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggxTtnKTMo

    Vinnie Paz - Same Story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCW0YsFKCkU

    Outkast - Da Art of Storytelling parts 1 and 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o5IWYquj5c
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G0Uos-Le9M

    Jedi Mind Tricks - I against I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4j3nCcMJfM

    JMT feat. R.A. the Rugged Man - Uncommon Valor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r0KpWMNxnM

    Logic - Inception https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXuoYTG8XbM

    any more max? listen to the first one first then go to whichever ones you want. listen to the whole thing and tell me it has no meaning or is only about glorifying the gang and thug life since you think all rap is like that
     
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    Holy dyna, I've been listening to IT for years now. It's cool to see someone who listens to him as well.

    -Fuji
     
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    IT is good dude, love his stuff. Revolutionary 1 and 2 are amazing. Check out Vinnie Paz and his other works (Jedi Mind Tricks, Army of the Pharaohs) since you like IT. He does some of the political/conspiracy stuff IT does
     
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    Thanks for the tips. Been listening to Vampire Weekend and They Might Be Giants and Johann Strauss this morning.
     
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    Thanks for the links. The music, the arrangement, I like everything about this ... except the rap overlays. But as I mentioned in a previous post, I don't particularly like vocal music of any kind. Or poetry in general. But again, the musical part in the above link is very beautiful and well done, imho. I should also say that I like the inclusion of all the vocal parts in the above piece except for the actual rap overlays.

    The reason I don't like the rap overlays is because, to my ear, it ruins the pretty music by competing with it for my auditory attention. (Unlike much vocal music wherein, imho, the vocal parts might actually be considered to be enhancing, or be an intregral part of, the musical experience.) But then you have to take into account that I'm an instrumentalist and a composer of instrumental music, not a poet or a lyricist or a singer or a rapper.

    To further qualify my remarks and in the interest of clarifying where I'm coming from, and am at ... I'd have to say that if I were to pick my top 10 all time favorite musical pieces, then, perhaps ironically to some, at least 4 of them would have vocal parts. :)
     
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    I listened to / watched the whole Dance with the Devil link above. Rather gross to watch his crew partying behind him, laughing and dancing around as IT tells the story of a guy violently raping his own mother then committing suicide. There's plenty of rap I like, but this is the ugly side of the genre.
     
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    the meaning behind the song flew right over your head
     
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    No, I got it. The video betrayed it.
     
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    Look, heycal! I think someone is wearing skinny jeans in this video. :wink:

    Was that a gay marriage PSA or a music video?
     
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    Hahaha! A bit of both I believe. :)

    -Fuji
     
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    Oh, snap! :shock:
     
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    Mobb Deep, "Survival of the Fittest." Why not tell people where they're going, instead of forcing them to click the link to find out?

    And no, this song is not very good.
     
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    You know that saying: "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything?"

    No one forced you to click it. The link was there to be clicked, but you didn't have to click it.
     
  34. tenniscasey

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    You misread my post. Alas.

    I'll contribute a few links to things I like:

    Hilltop Hoods & Chali 2na, Speaking in Tongues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuDw2QnDTqs

    Jurassic 5, The Game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqj1Q1a2mzU

    Articolo 31 & Kurtis Blow, Perchè Si! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cBYxyLlt20

    I'm sure the above links wouldn't be to everyone's liking. But at least they demonstrate there's lots of diversity of musical styles in rap.
     
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    one thing i dont like too:

    people keep talking about how rap has no meaning and its 'low class' etc. so what??? why cant rap just be entertaining? its just music, not some gospel to enlighten us. if it moves you, its good. it doesnt have to convey some "deeper' meaning and blah blah message. who cares if its just about the hood or whatever? you have to look at the purpose.

    theres so many posts here trying to prove rap is not just gangsta stuff, but so what if it is? if you dont like it its not for you. it appeals to its targeted audience
     
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    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA































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    There's some good rap out there (krs one). Most of it is gutter garbage however. True for pop music in general these days.
     
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    What is the appeal of rap?
    LMFAO at this thread on a tennis website...this **** started in 1980...how ****ing old are you
     
  39. tenniscasey

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    OK then.....
     
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    Don't worry, t1000 does not realize people have different opinions. When someone dares to state a different opinion, like you, he will use a common deflection of laughing. Which does nothing and looks unintelligent.
     
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    How we doing here? Anything new?
     
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    That's a common myth. Prior to Elvis, kids listened to the same music as their parents.
     
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    There's worse...he could've said Michael Bolton. :shock:
     
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    Why the age discrimination? :mad:
     
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    Why would any respectable person want to be associated with those people?
     

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