whats the hardest jump to make in usta rankings?

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  1. josofo

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    limited tennis to winning 3.5 winning 3.5 to winning 4.0 winning 4.0 to winning 4.5 winning 5.0 to winning open player winning open player to getting ap point.


    please discuss in detail.
     
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  2. SweetH2O

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    Good golly, you need to start using punctuation more in your posts. These aren't text messages.

    The higher you go, the harder it is to reach the next step.
     
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  3. dizzlmcwizzl

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    I suspect that the jumps at the bottom involve little more than accumulating enough experience. However it appears to me that as you reach a higher level then ability and conditioning become a much larger part of the equation.

    You can win at 3.5 if you are 75 pounds overweight and with poor strokes if you have a world of experience. However, you do not see many 4.5+ guys with poor conditioning and technique winning with guile.

    It has to be most difficult to transition at the high end of the spectrum because eventually everyone reaches the limits of their ability or the limits of their time. It is at this point that advancement no longer happens. AT the bottom advancement is mostly dependent on accumulating experience which anyone can do to some level.
     
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    The start is the toughest. It gets geometrically easier the further up the ladder you move. Between 2.5 and 3.0 you develop huge weapons, that’s like half your tennis career. You still lose to inferior pushers, and that’s the huge leap you need to get to 3.5. Then you just develop more consistency and breeze up through 4.0 and 4.5 to get into 5.0 which is the real looserville of players who don’t have a sniff at the pros. The 5.5’s are even worse, because they have the false sense of a sniff at the pros. The 6.0 is where it gets really pathetic, because these are the sub-journeymen. But the real talentlessness starts at 6.5 with the real journeymen who are very weak and sad and never on TV. Once you’re past that in the 7.0’s that’s where it gets really breezy. You have clowns like Chokasko, washed up Roddick, slamless Murray, Djokovic who struggles against old goodoon Federer on clay and defensive Nadal who can’t hit a winner.
     
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    LOL!

    That avatar is from Russian movie "Neulovimie Mstiteli" (literal translation: "Uncatchable Avengers"), right?
     
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  7. josofo

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    my bad. y'll dont have an edit. those r useful
     
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    At some point you reach your maximum level for your natural athletic ability, so I would argue that it is harder to move up a level on the top end. For instance, it is hard to move from a 4.5 to a 5.0 if you are not a genetically gifted athlete.
     
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  9. chatt_town

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    that's funny....I think you are right about the higher up you go the harder it is to reach and be able to win at the next level. I'm catching hell making the transition from 4.0 to 4.5(although I'm still rated 4.0). I always move early in in various league outside of usta. I'm pretty sure my serve is my biggest liablity. I could before get away with spinning it in and going to work off the ground. They are attacking it more though and the second serve might as well not even get served. I'm just going to have to seriously go out and practice. I've made it this far without it because of speed and serious fire power off both wings but getting on offense seems to a serious problem at times these days. Whenever I run into user friendly guys(guys that don't attact first and second serves) I generally win those matches. So this is my biggest challenge(4.0 to 4.5).


     
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    How does one know if they are genetically gifted?
     
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    I'd say going from 5.0 to 3.5, winning nationals, and not getting DQ'd.
     
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    If you are a naturally gifted athlete, you won't just be good at tennis, you're going to be good at many other sports.
     
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    It is without a doubt harder to move up on the higher end of the scale. Don't think of it as a ladder, it's a bell curve. Check out the diagram of the distribution of NTRP ratings in this thread (thanks to OrangePower): http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=300303

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    No doubt it gets much harder to keep moving up as the level increases.

    2.5 -> 3.0 all you need is to actually play a bit; anyone can do it
    3.0 -> 3.5 more practice; some instruction if you've never played before; most people can get to 3.5 if they really want to
    3.5 -> 4.0 more instruction; more experience; many people can get to 4.0 with some work
    4.0 -> 4.5 starts getting harder - need conditioning, plus some talent; many people will never get to 4.5 even with work (especially if they started playing as an adult)
    4.5 -> 5.0 needs talent and conditioning; few people have what it takes
    Every level after this requires exponentially more talent, conditioning, and dedication.
     
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    The top levels are the toughest levels to enter. You could play futures and challengers for years and get crushed again and again.
     
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    1.0 to 1.5 is almost impossible. I don't know of anyone who has made this jump myself.

    I've tried for 30 years and have been unable to do it. I hear that once you get to 1.5 you can progress to 3.5 rather easily but I wouldn't know.
     
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    Agree with the above assessment. At the 4.5 and below level you need primarily consistency. The 5.0 and above level you need to have a few weapons, no obvious weaknesses, understanding of strategy and a fair amount of athletic ability/conditioning...anything above the 5.5 level is almost a full-time commitment to tennis (I believe...) :)
     
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    4.0 BACK to 3.5 where it's funner and I'm more popular
     
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    Have your VO2 max tested or You and four friends who normally live at sea level take the cable car up to Mount Blanc. 3842m. It's a roll of the dice for who passes out, who gets a bit woozy and who is just fine.
     
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    When one's wife says, "Thanks, Big Daddy!" after.....well, you know. ;)
     
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    if you have to ask.....
     
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    NTRP - # moved up - # at start - percent moved up
    2.5  -  9762  -  19352  -  50.4%       
    3.0  -  35133  -  82803  -  42.4%       
    3.5  -  36381  -  121270  -  30.0%       
    4.0  -  11200  -  66717  -  16.8%       
    4.5  -  1333  -  18605  -  7.2%       
    5.0  -  128  -  2698  -  4.7%       
    5.5  -  1  -  143  -  0.7%   
    Clearly it is tougher to move up as you move toward the upper end of the NTRP range.

    I wonder who that one new 6.0 was?
     
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