What's the most rediculous raq "tech" out there?

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  1. plowmanjoe

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    sometimes new racquet technology just makes me laugh. what are some of the most ridiculous gimmicks that have been marketed out there?

    Off the top of my head, i'm going to start off with the wilson rollers.
     
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    My vote would be a tie for aerogel and d3o. The idea that aerogel is actually IN one of those racquets, or that d3o somehow stiffens the racquet when a ball hits the strings (or that d3o is even actually used--has anyone ever photographed d3o in a racquet?), is absolutely ludicrous and worthy of actual laughter. The number of posters I've seen on this board who believe in that marketing tripe is amazing.
     
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    Right, so only your ProStaff is legit technology.
     
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    tecnifibre vo2. the racquet actually breathes, wow
     
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    Not sure how you inferred that. The OP asked what is the most laughable technology out there, and I answered. To be honest I'm not all that sure that PWS in ProStaffs (and Wilsons in general) really makes any difference. It wouldn't surprise me if someone could prove it didn't make the slightest difference.

    However, since you raise the question, yes, I believe most of the "technologies" out there are nothing but marketing gimmicks. Some notable exceptions, in my mind, would be things like Pro Kennex's Kinetic technology (which does seem to have a dampening effect that helps people with arm problems), and graphite itself (which definitely is a technology that has a discernable effect over wood racquets).
     
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    d30, without question. Knowing what aerogel is and knowing that it can't be used in racquet frames is one thing. Knowing what d30 is and knowing that it possibly COULD be used in racquet frames but would have no effect whatsoever, much less you wouldn't be able to stabilize it is even more ridiculous. Head is the master of ridiculous technology: none of them work. They make fine racquets, but it has nothing to do with liquid metal, intellichips or d3O.
     
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    I own 6 aerogel frames, 3 200s and 3 100s. Not once have I ever thought they actually contain aerogel. It makes ZERO sense.
     
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    That's good to hear. I had an AG100 for a while and never once thought it contained aerogel either. Surprisingly, however, quite a few people seem to think it does.

    Of course, that's not to say that aerogel racquets (or d3o racquets, for that matter) are bad racquets. The aerogels in particular are fantastic (even though the AG100 wasn't right for me). It's just that the marketing gimmicks are ridiculous.
     
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    It doesn't make sense for the physical reasons, meaning its properties, but more importantly it doesn't make sense because of the cost. Aerogel is gram for gram the most expensive substance in the world. A 2x1.5x1.5 chunk will run you over 180 dollars, and when you consider aerogel by volume weighs less than 3x more than air, you can see how it might be rather pricey to put into a racquet frame. Moreso than that, it turns into granules when given a traumatic force AKA a shanked ball. It's useless in a racquet frame.

    And yes, the AG100 is the best racquet I've ever hit with. I have nothing to say about it. Believing there's aerogel in it is asinine, however.
     
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    Either Flexpoint or O ports...seriously, who the hell puts holes in their racquets?
     
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    flexpooooint
     
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  12. plowmanjoe

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    i think the idea is that the holes make the frame more aero dynamic increasing your racquet head speed. whether it works or not, i don't know. it's like the babolat aero racquets.
     
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    Yeah, but the aero racquets change the speed and keep the feel...putting holes in it may increase the head speed, but it just feels horrible.
     
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    The babolat Aerodrive ******** is also a top contender. A racquet frame has such little cross area that it is not creating any drag through the air that a more aerodynamic throat would solve. Even if it did, it wouldn't matter because it's still up to your stroke to make the magic happen.
     
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    i'm pretty sure changing the shape of the frame will change the feel. also, the shape doesn't look more aerodynamic to mee. it seems like it would actually create more drag. but i'm not an engineer or a marketer, so what do i know.
     
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    First, I gotta defend the aerogel. I have actually had experience with the material itself, and it's quite amazing. Whether it's in the frame or not is debatable. But based off my knowledge of the substance, it could be integrated into some form of epoxy or polymer, and intermixed with the graphite (though likely at a very low ratio, which probably isn't enough to do anything).

    I'll go ahead an nominate the Flexpoint as one of the most ridiculous techs. While I'm attacking Head, I'll go ahead and throw out the Intelligence fibers as well.

    Oh, remember Wilson's Rollers? And I'll also put the whole concept of the Power Angle frames in the mix, too.
     
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    No one is knocking aerogel. I own a chunk of it actually, and you really can't understand just how light it is until you hold it. But the notion that Dunlop actually used aerogel for anything other than a marketing gimmick is pretty dense thinking.

    As I've been saying, Head will win this thread for the top 5 spots. Every racquet tech they've had since I can remember has been a complete gimmick. Not one has actually been legitimate. "chips" in the frame? Are you serious? It's this ******** science crap that I keep getting upset about again. Same thing applies to dog brushes that "immerse the hair in ions, freeing clumps and making the skin healthy". If by ions you mean charged particles, then maybe you're on to something ala static electricity, but the word ion can't just be thrown around the same way. Those stupid "high definition" sunglasses are much the same. Your eyes see in greater resolution than 1080p; all that HD does is try to recreate the image of you being there in person. "enhancing" your vision with technology that gives you less visual acuity is also dense.

    Okay, sorry, I'm on a tangent again. Back to Head bashing :twisted:
     
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    Aerogel is truly an incredible substance. I'm prepared to believe that perhaps some small miniscule amount is bonded into a polymer somehow, but as you said, there can't possibly be enough in there to make the slightest difference in how the racquet plays. Zero difference.

    Power Angles!!! Yes, I'm totally on board with you on that.

    Hmmm....now that I think about it, I guess Yonex's isometric head could be counted as a "technology" that does have an impact on how the racquet plays.
     
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    ummm...kevlar, ncode, k factor, aerogel, cortex...anything. the fundamental shift (i.e., wood to graphite, and some minor refinements later on) has taken place. the rest is all packaging.

    racket technologies are like self-help books: the reason there are so many of them, is that none of them is actually proven to do what it promises to do.
     
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    No argument here for just about everything you said, but I'll take possible issue with your inclusion of kevlar. I believe the kevlar in racquet frames does have an effect on overall stiffness. I have no proof of this, but that's my impression. Feel free to disprove me on that one though :)
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzNr90XZ05A

    This even beats that double string-bed, sandwich racquet. What was that racquet called? A 24x20x2...? The most ridiculous racquet was either the sandwich stringbed racquet or this malevolent creation in the link above...
     
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    I'm just speechless after watching that. there's no way anyone is going to use those racquets.
     
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    The natural tennis racquet is pretty bad. And the blackburn double strung racquet.

    I'd have to throw out the flexpoint and o ports as well. Just plain terrible.
     
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    Or that service motion....

    Seriously, does anyone remember that racquet from the late 70's, early eighties...? It had two stringbeds lying on top of each other,sandwiched.. with a crazy, dense string pattern.

    What the *!@$ was the name of that racquet... i believe I saw the advertisement on youtube at one point.
     
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    Yes. the blackburn double strung racquet. Thank you.
     
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    Isn't it in the rules that the strings have to be in a single plane now? So like, the double-strung thing wouldn't even be legal anymore?

    Also, I have to say that companies shouldn't market extended-length as a 'technology'.
     
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    When you watch it without the sound, you can tell that guy is shanking the ball on purpose when not holding the 'Blackburn'-- Then all of a sudden he gets the 'Blackburn' and whallah!!!!

    I love that shank on the first return--- it lands in the next county's tennis courts...:)
     
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    hahahaha....yes!!!

    My favourite part was after the animated demonstration of how the Blackburne's strings prevent shanking, and then they have the slo-mo "first, a normal racquet; then, the Blackburne" demonstration of hitting a ball off the frame. It's so obvious that the guy is hitting the ball in the centre of the stringbed with the Blackburne....but, oooooh, look at how much better the BB is on off-centre frame hits!
     
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    Who actually was sold on this thing... I don't know...

    I really want to play a couple of sets with that racquet...

    One side strung all polys the other side a nice multi and interchange during play... baseline-kick serves=polys....flat serves-volleys=multis.
     
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    I'm sorry but flexpoint is a genuine technology. It's not just marketing. I'm not saying it is good or that it works but it's not just marketing. Racquets do bend where the holes are.

    See this picture I made during a futures tournament in my home town. The player is Fleming from UK.
    http://picasaweb.google.com/izidacup/2008#5237394486581354930
     
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    I'm waiting for the day someone comes out with a Nitinol racket (or similar). I can only imagine the advertising for it...frustrated with your game, bash the hell out of this racket and it will come back to its original shape. No more need to worry about accidental frustrated racket smashing.
     
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    Jeez Louise when you look at this page it makes you wonder
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/technologies.html

    It does show that almost all the manufacturers indulge in this.

    However, were there to be nothing like this I think it's be fairly flat playing field and pretty uninteresting.

    If you like your racing bikes you could conclude that actually our sport is fairly tech-free compared to say what goes on in racing bikes (it being Tour de France time!).
     
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    After looking through that link I think the Head techs for their tweener rackets are the most upsetting. Most of them look pretty stupid as well.
     
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    In order for the manufacturers to keep growing (and provide return for shareholders) there has to be obsolescence. This can occur through shoddy product or brainwashing. Obviously the former is a losing proposition thus the companies have to convince the consumer that what they bought 2 years ago - although it works fine - is obsolete. Otherwise, people would replace their racquets when they wore out and that is too long for the growth required by shareholders.
     
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    i dont think i joined tennis early enough, but what are wilson rollers? i never seen any discription about them before?
     
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    I'm so glad you asked. i can't find a picture, but essentially there are wheels in the frame that the strings rest on. kind of similar to babolat woofer tech but with spinners.
     
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    I can see that being useful for stringing, but not much else.
     
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    You can't diss flexpoints, the fact is the idea of putting little holes to allow the racket to flex returning a more controlled shot is possible, however, the only way to prove it would be to test it in some independant lab tests.
     
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    whether or not it does something is besides the point. the real question is: does it improve the racquet? if flexpoint really did improve the frame, why isn't it implemented in their current line-up?
     
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    If the tech isn't carried over then it may be a sign that it's not all it's cracked up to be. It doesn't seem like Head carries over many, if any, of their "technological breakthroughs". Very curious.
     
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    I am not a big fan ethier, but it's to increase the sweet spot and to make it more aerodynamic...
     
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    That's because they're all idiotic gimmicks. Dunlop, however, has been using the M-fil technology in 3 straight lines how (well, really two, but the 4D is kinda similar). Babolat is still using their woofer **** and Yonex will always have their unique head shape.
     
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    sorry to break it to you, but someone broke one of their mfils and found that it was a tiny one inch little strip of stuff that does nothing :eek:
     
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    :lol: Don't get me wrong, I am NOT saying the tech is legitimate. Not in the slightest. What I am saying is that they did carry it over. THat's all.
     
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    they carried over liquid metal technology for a while.

    also their twin tube technology...

    and their intelligence stuff...

    the funniest sounding ones I think are the Carbon XTREME, etc... XTREME this xtreme that...
     
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    Triple Threat was a little ridiculous too.
     
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    No after more careful consideration, intelligence fibers cannot be beaten.

     
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