What's the rule regarding stencil logo?

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  1. bruno hau

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    Is it for the racket manufacturer or the string manufacturer? Say a pro uses Wilson racket but uses Gamma strings, would they put "W" or "G" (whatever Gamma's logo is) on the strings?

    Babolat is lucky in that its logo is a double line near the bottom. So a pro sponsor by Wilson and using Babolat VS Gut and have both logos on the strings.
     
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  2. David_Is_Right

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    They do? ....
     
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  3. woodrow1029

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    You are allowed one logo of the Racket manufacturer and one logo of the string manufacturer on the face of the racket.

    Also, if anyone has any other questions about logo restrictions on any clothing, feel free to ask me.
     
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  4. ExPostFacto

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    Are you the local logo-guru?
     
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  5. ckledzepplin

    ckledzepplin Semi-Pro

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    yeah like pete sampras

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  6. scraps234

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    ye they use to but not any more i guess...i like the way they used to do it better
     
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  7. woodrow1029

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    Since I am an international umpire, I know the logo rules and restrictions.
     
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  8. canadave

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    Woodrow, out of curiosity (not that this would ever happen), but what would you rule if someone showed up on court with more than one logo? Would you notice that (ie, do umpires look for that sort of thing)? What's the penalty? What if the player has no alternative racquets that conform to the rules...would he default the match?
     
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  9. vsbabolat

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    It is not luck that Babolat started using the double line logo in 1985. The double line was used on the bottom strings so you could have the babolat logo for the strings and then the racquet manufacturer above it. Here is Wilander back in the 80's as example. This is before Babolat had a racquet line and had only a string line. The original purpose of the double line logo was to promote Babolat strings.
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    Before the double line logo Babolat would put a giant VS stencil on the strings but that left no room for the racquet manufacture. This was not done often.
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    Now I would have been worried if you hadn't known this, oh mighty Vsbabolat:):)
     
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    He is so ballin
     
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  12. woodrow1029

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    We do notice things like that. It is part of umpiring a match, making sure that the players are conforming to all logo restrictions. In the case of the racket logos, if it were a non-TV match, most likely the umpire and/or the supervisor would tell the player the logo is illegal, and for the next match, needs to conform. Some supervisors are more strict and would require it to be removed before the match starts. If the player doesn't have ink, he may be allowed to start the match and play until stencil ink can be brought to the court to cover it up.

    On a TV match, it would need to be covered up before the match starts. If the player decides not to cover it up, and play with it anyway, he/she would be subject to a fine.
     
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  13. dincuss

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    Woodrow, just a question.
    How many dampeners are allowed on a racquet, and where?
     
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  14. zidane339

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    Man we should start an ask Woodrow thread..thanks for clearing up all the questions, great read!
     
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  15. raygo

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    I was wondering why Babolat chose the double-line logo. Didn't even realize it was their logo until a couple of years ago!

    So are two logos still allowed on the stringbed? I thought there was a rule change allowing only one logo, and Wilson players wanted to keep using Babolat gut. Dunno where I heard that, could be wrong.
     
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  16. woodrow1029

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    You are allowed as many dampeners as you want on the racket. They must be outside the main pattern of the strings.
     
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  17. Eph

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    What restrictions are there vis-a-vis logos, woodrow? Can a player have any logo they want (as long as they aren't sponsored)?

    Or can they go without?
     
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  18. woodrow1029

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    On shirts and shorts, they are allowed one logo of the clothing manufacturer 4 square inches, or two logos of the clothing manufacturer 2 square inches on each piece of clothing.

    On the sleeves of the shirt, one manufacturer's logo up to 12 square inches (which was done sort of as a compromise to the Adidas lawsuit regarding the stripes) plus one commercial logo of whatever (i.e. Samsung, Kodak, etc.) 4 square inches. If the player wears sleeveless shirts, the commercial logos may be moved to the front of the shirt.

    Hats, headbands and wristbands: one manufacturer's logo of 4 square inches.
    If they don't have a sponsor, they can go without logos, or wear their own clothing that conforms to the logo requirements.
     
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  19. Eph

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    Thank you! Are there restrictions to what the "picture" can be? It just has to be in good taste?
     
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  20. Kemitak

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    I understand logo restrictions on clothing, but why on strings?
     
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  21. woodrow1029

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    Same reasons.. Advertising. They don't want players to look like billboards. If there weren't logo restrictions on strings, players would be stenciling the logos for Samsung, or Ford, or anything else on the strings..
     
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  22. woodrow1029

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    There was actually a player a few years ago that put sunsreen on one part of her arm to make a Nike swoosh logo. She had to put a bandaid over it during a match..
     
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  23. woodrow1029

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    What do you mean, picture?
     
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  25. Eph

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    Whatever design is on a t-shirt.
     
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  26. woodrow1029

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    Well, if it is just a picture, or design, it can be pretty much anything tasteful. There was a WTA player, Seda Noorlander that would play with a big picture of her dog on the back of the shirt. Nation's flags are one that a lot of players have on their hats, those are considered design, and can be any size..
     
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  27. Eph

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    Thank you!
     
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