What's up with Roddick?

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  1. MichaelNadal

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    Just wondering does he not get penalized for skipping the entire clay court season besides the FO every year? He's the only player that does it. I like Andy but I hate that he doesn't even TRY to compete and improve on clay. Apparently he quietly entered the Dusseldorf tournament and lost 6-2, 6-2 today to Berlocq. Smashing racquets along the way.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hcc2FTk7u0g
     
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    Clay......

    But seriously, I thought Roddick was a type of player that would be hanging around the top 10, top 15 at least till he retired really. He seemed to be doing OK until 2010 and then suddenly the wheels fell off and very very fast.
     
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  3. Colin

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    Monte Carlo is optional and doesn't Roddick have two exemptions (years on tour plus total wins or age?), so he can skip Madrid and Rome if he likes?
     
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    Aren't the masters mandatory for the top 20 or 25 only? Roddick is ranked #29.
     
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  5. At the drive in

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    At least we don't hear 'get rid of clay or I'm not showing up bla bla bla'. Maybe Roddick should start a boycot like the cowards of the 90's. Lol.


    By the way, Roddick does not try to skip every clay tournament besides the French Open; He's made a few SF's/QF's on clay MS events and has made the fourth round before. You make it sound like Roddick didn't even attempt when really Roddick does give 100% in all of his matches.


    What a stupid thread.






    Tennis_Pro. The wheels didn't fall off - the serve did. Last year his serve (although statistically good) was not what it was. Power and accuracy have both declined by quite a long was to the point he was getting his serve read by some of the worst returners on tour. Combine this with injuries and illness then you're in trouble. Do people not realise how long Monoglandular fever can take its toll on the body for? Anyway hopefully Roddick gets into slap happy mode at Wimbledon; He was great against Federer in Miami.
     
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    I genuinely hope he can pull it together and go out on somewhat of a high note, when he is ready to hang it up. Maybe not Sampras-high, but at least not plummeting in the rankings, etc. Maybe win a big tournament or two, maybe a Masters. He isn't my favorite player, but I feel I should have some sort of loyalty to the last American male to win a major (and the last who will win one for a while).
     
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    This was his second match at the World Team Cup. He basically subbed in for Mardy Fish so that he could get some matches in before RG. He played his first on Sunday.

    Andy didn't skip the clay court season, he's injured. Last year he hurt his shoulder, this year he strained his hammie and there are a few rumors he strained his hip a little bit too. His movement is a bit of a mess right now, so I'm not surprised he's smashing racquets and acting cranky this week. He's very hard on himself and being on the down side of his career and not healthy is probably a bit difficult to handle. I would like to see him get healthy and have a decent summer because I honestly think this is his last year on tour.
     
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    Ok that makes more sense. I just remember him not playing the clay season this or last year at all except the FO. I too feel like this is the last year he can really compete or get big wins, next year things could get ugly if he's still playing.
     
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    I thought Andy played Rome and Madrid last year? I thought Simon beat him pretty easily in Rome,and he lost to Cipolla in Madrid?
     
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    If so, I must be thinking 2010. Unless he just loses that fast every year. I don't think any American player has ever been worse on clay than Andy.
     
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    Hmmm, you sure about that?

    Five clay titles, twice runner-up, 66% winning record on clay. A couple of semis at Rome, a quarterfinal at Madrid, fourth round at the French Open. Nothing that would make David Ferrer or Nicolas Almagro jealous, but not horrible for someone's worst surface.

    Now let's take the current top American in Mardy Fish: 1 clay title, and the furthest he's gotten at the F.O. or any of the clay masters is third round. Right after him is Isner, who has no titles on clay and has gotten past the first round of the French only once (despite the hype following the Davis Cup wins and his strong showing at Roland Garros against Nadal). Even an American legend like Pete Sampras claims only three clay titles and a 62% winning record.

    Comparing Andy to the six other Americans in the Top 100, he has five titles vs. two total from the others (one each for Fish and Querrey). He not only leads in match win percentage on clay; he's the only one over 50 percent!

    Roddick: 66
    Isner: 49
    Blake: 47
    Fish: 45
    Querrey: 41
    Harrison: 38
    Young: 10

    I think that mainly shows Andy is a much better player overall at his peak than the others, and that Americans in general do not like clay. The funny part was that he won those when he was playing aggressive hard-court tennis on clay. Now he's mostly grinder clay-court style on hard courts. He still would have loved the new blue clay, though.
     
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  12. brettsticker86

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    Completely agree, roddick is far from "the worst American on clay"
     
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    I would not complain about Roddick skipping clay events because the less we see of him on that surface the better.

    Roddick sucks on clay and really would just take a spot in the draw that someone else needs/wants who is likely to put forth a better effort and make good use of it.
     
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    Really the thread title should be "What's down with Roddick". It appears that it's all down (not meaning "cool").
     
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    Stick a fork in Roddick ;)
     
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    He's about a 4.0 wouldn't you say?
     
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    Funny how Roddick magically recovers from all of his injuries when the grass court season starts.
     
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  19. monfed

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    Some players don't give a crap about clay. Hard for you to swallow,MichaelRalph, but it's true.

    He'd rather practice for Wimbledon which he values more than the dirt.
     
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    Why go to WB? That's green clay.
     
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  21. Cobra Tennis

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    If I had Brooklyn Decker at home, I would be wanting to skip the clay court season as well.
     
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    He has been practicing his Donkey Punch form.
     
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    He's getting washed up, and will soon be rinsed out of the top 50.
     
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    I thought this, was a fair comment,

    "Wonder how our tour would look if european players were skipping American tourneys the way Americans are skipping european tournamets"

    tweeted by Ivan Ljubicic
     
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    Except that a ton of Americans are playing clay tourneys in Europe this year, so don't really understand where this is coming from. Querrey, Young, Baker, Harrison Isner etc etc.

    So how is that a "fair comment?"
     
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    That was a stupid comment. He's quoting an entire continent to one country that only has a handful of players with a ranking to qualify for these events in Europe.
     
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    How many Euros come over and play the smaller American events like Atlanta, Memphis, San Jose, DC. Heck DC's a 500 and the top 4 never play it. The Euros for the majority stay over there after AO and Wimbledon and only come over to play IW/Miami Canada/Cincy because they are mandatories and MS events. For someone like Ljub he should realize that and shut it. The majority of the tour is already populated by tourneys outside of America.

    And as has been mentioned, guys like Isner, Young, Harrison, and Querrey are actually making an effort to play smaller events outside of the MS in Europe. Fish is injured and Rod has been as well, so that explains them missing the CC season.
     
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    If it was such a fair comment, then why did Ljubicic leave twitter right after he said it? Because he knew it wasn't a fair comment. He was digging at Andy and Mardy, one is injured, one is ill. Other Americans have been playing on clay and some of them have been over there playing Challengers on clay. He was straight up wrong and he knows it.
     
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    Andy has now a negative W/L ratio this year. Losing to Go Soeda, seriously?
     
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  30. At the drive in

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    He's beaten Federer though and it wasn't through lucking out. He's clearly capable of playing high quality tennis (see Muller and Federer this year). Unfortunately he's not 'there' yet in terms of fitness and the way he's playing (he's too passive - as usual). I'm sure by Wimbledon he will be back to playing good tennis again.


    Ljubicic was always pretty much irrelevant on tour. Let him take his rightful place as an internet troll where he can actually put up better showings. Lol.
     
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    What a terrible match, I caught most of it. Roddick's approaches are pathetic, it's like he's just moving forward for nothing.
    He seems to be on the defense during most of his matches. Losing to guys in ranked in the 60's would, I think, motivate Roddick to put some of that 2008/2009 effort into his game.
     
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  32. At the drive in

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    Roddick 08/09 was still very passive. The only reason he maintained high rankings during the 06-10 years was because of his serve and his ability to somehow win matches he shouldn't.


    Of course, the Roddick of 03/04 would occassionally come out during those 5 seasons (Miami, US Open, Dubai, Wimbledon,Cincy etc etc) but that guy seriously wasted such a powerful skillset.
     
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    You know, this excuse is becoming old hat, so I'll give my old hat answer.

    "If you had Brooklyn Decker at home, for YEARS, it'd be second nature".

    You use the Brooklyn Decker thing because you DON'T have a woman like that. Beautiful women are in our fantasy, but if we grab one, while we're proud to have them, they are just like any other. That's why men cheat on other beautiful women.
     
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  34. coloskier

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    To be honest, unless you live in Europe or South America, most tennis players could care less about clay.
     
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    He's American. Most Americans suck on clay, honestly. John Isner only does well because he hits so hard, and aces like crazy. Even then, he's extremely inconsistent. They just don't have the quick footwork like the adapted Europeans.
     
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    If this was meant to be ironic / sarcastic, it's a pretty funny comment (as obviously the majority of the professional tennis playing world is European or South American).

    If not, it's still funny (but a different kind of funny).
     
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    Which is why I said that losing to guys ranked in the 60's would motivate him, since his 08/09 days he was able to find ways to win.
     
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    When a man cheats on a beautiful woman it usually says more about the man than it does about the woman. Some believe that men have a biological need to 'spread their seed' and nothing except their own intelligence and willpower will keep them faithful.
     
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    Seems like that statement is made every year. Sorry to say for Andy, I'm just not seeing it this year.

    To be fair, Ljub was a president of the player's council off the court IIRC and definitely not a scrub on it (top 5, MS win, DC win). Still that was a pretty immature comment for him to make.
     
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  40. NadalAgassi

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    I dont see what the big deal of Ivan's twitter comment was. It was far from the worst thing you see posted on twitter from athletes these days.
     
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    It's one thing to have an opinion, but said opinion should be based on fact, especially from someone like Ljub who was recently a pres of the player's council and isn't known for shooting off at the mouth.
     
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    That's a fine POV as he has been absolutely raw for a very long time. Even in 2009 outside of Wimbledon and a few tournies here and there he was raw. However, I recall Roddick's career being over in 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009 and 2010 by many analysists i.e Roddick gets slung in the mud a lot and whether people like it or not he's always got back up and proved them wrong in one way or another. He can get hot out of the blue (see Miami).


    To be fair, Ljubicic won 0 slams and made 0 slam finals as well as winning only one MS/1000 series title. To think this guy briefly broached the top 5 as you mentioned is Laughable. Even Blake made the top 5 that year.
     
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    I think it's different now because of the age and injuries catching up to him. He's ranked 29 now whereas in the past he was usually at least still top 10. Of course w/ a weapon like his serve he could get hot and run through someone at any time, like Fed at Miami. But I wouldn't bet on it all things considered.

    He was still a very good player for a decent amount of time. Sure he was never on the level of Roddick or even a guy like Nalbandian, but he had a solid career that most guys would kill for. Certainly a better career than 90% of the guys who've play the game.
     
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    Don't forget all of the Davis cup matches Andy has played on Clay over the years as well. He is certainly not one of my favorite players at all, but deserves some respect for his achievements as an american player over the years.
     
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    If Roddick boycotted nobody would notice. He doesn't go far enough in events for people to realize he's there.
     
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  46. decades

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    so he's going to be "there" soon? he turns 30 in a few months. virtually every player goes on a decline starting at 28. very few exceptions, like RF don't. unfortunately Arod is one that did. it's totally normal.
     
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    ...because taking a few months off won't make his body recover, m i rite?
     
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    Well, he's old now. He's out of shape. He's had injury and health problems the last 2 years. He's playing on clay...(which is the smallest contributing factor seeing as he's been useless all year barring). He beat Federer on nothing but heart and an intensity that has long since lost Roddick and the fact Federer was lacklustre.

    I think Roddick wasted years of his career between 2005 and 2010. Why he became passive after being coached by Goldfine, I have no idea. Why not stick with a winning style? Ridiculous and brainless.
     
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    The Roddick bashing continues! I for one have no real attachment to him but he is an entertaining player (off the court :)) and I don't mind watching his matches.
     
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    If you have real injuries, they don't heal up in perfect timing with the start of Queens Club year after year, m i rite?
     
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