What's wrong with Nole?

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  1. mcenroefan

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    I think it's conditioning, probably caused by all the extra PR demands of being #1 in the last year.

    One major thing I've noticed is that he is hitting a large number of forehands off his back foot/right foot as opposed to taking the extra step into the court with his left foot and cranking it through the court. His open stance forehand is largely a defensive and ineffective shot whereas when he steps in with his left foot, he can penetrate down the line or hit the wicked cross court angled forehand. He hit the latter shot alot last year during the clay court season but I almost never see it anymore.

    So, either his form is off or his stamina is suffering and he's just not taking the extra step. He also seems like he is falling sideways a good bit in his side to side movement.

    All in all, his movement looks terrible relative to last year at the same time.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Bud

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    Not many players can keep that intense energy and focus required to stay on top for the long-term.

    Djokovic looks like pre-2011 Djokovic with occasional flashes or the brilliance that earned him the #1 ranking.
     
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  3. mcenroefan

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    Yeah, I said back around 2007 that the only thing that I ever thought that might hold Nole back was his stamina. He's an extremely gifted player.

    I don't think it's simply confidence this time around. I think he has that in buckets.

    He also may be just a bit more mercurial than some...who knows.

    His 2011 form was absoluetly insane.
     
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  4. nadal_slam_king

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    Nadal destroyed Djokovic somewhat in that Australian Open final. The US Open final also seemed to damage Djokovic. The AO was one blow too many. For Nadal, that kind of warfare is normal. Whereas Djokovic had a reputation for quitting, prior to 2011. The step-up was too much, long-term.
     
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  5. Djokodal Fan

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    Nadal destroyed Joker in AO?

    What are you smoking? Do you know who is AO champion? google is your friend mate!
     
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    hes back to being nole 1.something
    and thats not good enough
     
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    That 7 consecutive losses have given you lifelong pain :O
     
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    I think he means that Nadal may have destroyed Djoker in the long term, by forcing him to make the sort of effort to win, that would drain him mentally to the point where he might no longer be able to do it to that level again. Nadal is used to those wars. He always comes back from them to his normal high level. Djoker may not be made of the same stuff.

    Like the "Thrilla In Manilla" fight between Muhammed Ali and Joe Frazier. Ali won the fight, but barely. And Ali said the effort it took to stay on his feet nearly killed him. Even though Ali won, he was never the same fighter afterwards. That fight depleted him.

    You can win a fight or a match, and still be "destroyed" by the effort it took.
     
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  9. Sid_Vicious

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    Djokovic capped off the 2012 HC season with dominance. He won the AO and Miami. I still think he will be a massive force at all HC slams.

    He is probably not very confident on clay. He lost a tough match to Federer in SF last year and Nadal whooped him twice on clay this season.
     
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    i dont really think you can compare this to boxing where the mental depletion may well come from lireally getting smashed in the head
     
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    I get what you are saying. But "wars" often destroy boxers mentally, even if they recover completely physically for their next fight. So while it's not the same thing, it's not a totally invalid comparison.
     
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  12. Agassifan

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    Rafa will beat Nole in 3 easy sets if Nole gets to the final.
     
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    I don't know guys, there's a lot of theories and statistics floating around. Out of that top, who will win FO? Hmm good question. I'd say it all boils down who will be in better form that particular day. And that goes for QF & SF. When these guys get this far, statistics like who beat who last year mean nothing.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with Nole. He was lucky last year and now he's back to a more normal level
     
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    You mean AO 2013. Thanks for letting me know that Rafa won that :)
     
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    Nole will step it in the final against Nadal. If he reaches the final, he wins.
     
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    I have incorporated that shut your eyes and swing as hard as you can technique into my game - that's not luck it is releasing the inner Nole in you.
     
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  18. Djokodal Fan

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    yeah true, thats why he won 3 slams.....yeah lucky.

    whats next? Fed was lucky for 3-4 golden years?
     
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  19. Clarky21

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    He is fine. I think he is just pacing himself for the slams,and will bring his best only when it matters. Why should he play as hard as he can in the first week of a slam when he can practically beat everyone with his eyes closed with very little effort? He will be playing lights out from the quarters on.
     
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    AO this year was pretty much a #1 momentum switch. The World No. 1 title is out for grabs now.
     
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    No he wasn't. A Djokodal fan admitted that Fed has been dominant for 3-4 years and is GOAT. :lol:
     
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    Exactly. Plus we saw how messed up Djokovic was after last year's US Open final. I made the forecast back then that if Nadal could give Djokovic one more slam marathon (5 hours would have been enough, so 6 was great) then things would switch around thereafter. Truth is, Djokovic should win the AO each year, so when Nadal took it to 5 sets, it was like a victory, because Roland Garros and Wimbledon are Nadal's homegrounds more, not the AO.
     
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  23. PrinceMoron

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    What's that clothing he is wearing? Eunuch or something like that.
     
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    Very good post. Djok had to play superhuman tennis to win that day in Melbourne and actually really should have lost and only one player was stronger physically at the end. They both knew that. Since then Rafa has gone upwards and Djok backwards. The last two matches were embarrassingly one-sided and the FO final could be worse for Djok. Arguably he may be better losing to Fed in the semis than getting hammered by Rafa in the final.
     
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  25. Djokodal Fan

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    If Joker played the same level as today, I guess he can have a chance.

    I know Tsonga took him to 5 sets, but in my opinion he played great, put his feet forward when it mattered, but was unlucky at times.

    Lets see.
     
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    Get real. Fed ain't beating him and neither is Nadal. Like I have said before;Rolaids is unbeatable in best of 5. Nobody is beating him here,and they should just give him the trophy and get it over with. Nothing is as certain as him winning the title.
     
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    Death and taxes?
     
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    I don't think even those things are more certain than him winning all 4 slams this year.
     
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    Before today I thought Nadal was going to win this RG easily, but men, this Djokovic is not human.

    The way he saved those four match-points...it is something really weird, as if he knew he can not lose in the GS these days.

    It can't be luck all the time, he has done it many times already.

    I'm starting to think he is going to beat Federer in the SF and then, in the final he will think he can not lose and maybe he even defeats Nadal there.

    People, this guy is not normal, there is something very weird in the way he saves himself from the death once and again.

    Could he really win the fourth consecutive GS tournament? Can he defeat Federer and Nadal back to back on clay in RG?

    I'm starting to believe...
     
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    You're starting to bandwagon because anyone winning it besides Nadal is a victory for you. Even if it means your fav loses in the process.
     
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  32. mattennis

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    Hey, I love Federer's game but I don't mind Nadal or Djokovic winning (or Murray or Ferrer...).

    I can appreciate quality in very different forms in tennis.
     
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  33. Djokodal Fan

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    What are you trying to say? I didn't even mention the word GOAT in my post.
     
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