What's wrong with Yonex?

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  1. Sander001

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    Nah, the Pure Drive is a tweener and certainly not the first one either. It was the strings that were the game changer.
     
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    this is exactly it. they have such great products but the distribution is not happening. they need to do a much bigger push in marketing
     
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    I would agree. One of my shops doesn't carry the new Tours which is crazy. The better one down the road has them all though. they also have a lot more international customers as well, so they can afford to carry all the lines.
     
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    Thinking about removing my grip.......is it really that difficult to remove and replace? I have done it on most of my raquets and not that difficult.
     
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    Its not that hard at all as I watched a guy at my club do it before a match. We are down to nitpicking in this thread really even though I do see how many would not prefer the yonex grip.

    You could replace it with a babolat skin feel rather easily.
     
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    Very nice post, are you a writer by the way??

    You definitely have a talent and writing skills.

    I like Yonex, have used them for about 10 years or so, I used a couple other brands racquets for a short period of time, but nothing beats Yonex in the racquet dept. That's why I buy it, however I'm not always switching racquets, so they don't get much from me as they get from others who switch racquets all the time.

    Whatever they do they're doing it right, their racquets have gotten better IMO, I don't have to use an old 13.oz or more racquet to get the power and control I need, from the MP-URQ-RDX IMO EZONE Xi out performs those, i get more for less.

    I also liked when you mentioned that Yonex is above the players, it probably is and thats how it should be, no player should be treated as if they're bigger than a company. I like the company and the products and to me it does not matter who plays wit their equipment.

    I hope they don't start selling a lot, normally in most markets quality goes down with crazy sales, Yonex quality is the best for me and their products perform, some may disagree.
     
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    It's just a marketing issue, I suspect.

    Obviously they're big in Asia but I don't think they focus much of their sponsorship / mainstream marketing to the US market.

    They really need to tap into the mainstream rec player market for volume sales. Don't think it helped that they branded their racquets with names that sounded like computer components eg. RDX500, RDIS300 or whatever, rather than using sexier sounding names like 'Pure Drive' etc. No one really knows what those model names means. Also it would help if they sponsored a US player to increase brand awareness.

    But at the end of the day, are they that bothered about increasing their market share? Lets not forget that Wilson and Prince are US companies that have been around for decades in the US so that they always had that '1st mover' advantage. For Yonex to tap into what is essentially a foreign they need to get into the psyche of your typical US buyer and unlike say Babolat, they show no signs of wanting or being able to do that. You only have to look at a company like Gosen and see how they market their strings to realise how different Japanese marketing / buying psyche is to the equivalent in the US.
     
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  8. tistrapukcipeht

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    For the overall thread:

    What's wrong with Yonex? Nothing is wrong, some of the best products all the way around is made by Yonex, shoes, strings, racquets, over grips, shirts (really the best), shorts (the best ones)...

    What's right with Yonex? Almost everything.

    Keep in mind that not one company that has hundreds of products and models have all perfect products, it's mass production so nobody should expect more than what they already give us.

    1-Thin grip -seems a big complain here for some, for me it's perfect, I don't like thick grips, you lose feel, so for me it's perfect, if it doesn't work for you it works for me and to many others.

    2- Square head shape- The reason I believe Yonex has an unique playability and feel it's because of the shape, I heard that from other people too, actually there is an advantage to have a square shape, some don't like square, go find what you want, I hope Yonex never makes a round racquet that would be a day I'd stop using Yonex racquets.

    3- Chick stick- I never heard that but here in this forum, but if Hewitt (the dbag) , Nalbandian, Wawrinka use them, it certainly isn't a chick stick, unless some of you that make it more of big deal than what it is, are better than those guys or more of man than they are.

    If many here in this forum can hit a 98 mph forehand that Ivanovic hit in Wimbledon or more than 120 mph serve than Lisicki (I dont even like her) than I can agree that it is a chick stick, remember these gals just hit harder than any of you.

    I think Babolat is more of a chick stick than Yonex to be honest.

    3- Paint jobs. Yonex paint jobs are the most beautiful ones, I look at the RDis 100, RDiS 200 when I go to the store, Ezone and the VCore Tour (this really is beautiful) I see no better from other brands, Wilson is terrible, head is always ugly for the most part, Prince I should not even mention, Babolat is ugly as it can be as well, it's all personal taste.


    Even though it looks like Yonex is doing well, because they didn't file for bankruptcy, Prince has (what's wrong with Prince?A: probably everything) , Boris Becker is having some problems, it is what it is.
     
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  9. DAWRTAJACI

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    Switched to Yonex xi 98 after 2 of my Babolat Pure Drive Roddick have different balance and weight (I've been using the Pure Drive since it first came out. NO Roddick version at that time). Searched the message board to see who has the best quality control and It came up to be Pacific, Yonex and Dunlop. I decided to buy 2 of the xi 98 just buy looking at the specs. I'm really happy with my purchased. Both balance and weight are spot on...just my 2cents..
     
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    Agree with the posters disliking the grip. I found that the extreme indentations on each overlap is really bothersome. I actually thought I found a gem in the V Core 98D, but I was wrong and ended up buying 2 sticks for nothing :(
     
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  11. JackB1

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    Have you ever tried removing a Yonex grip? It's not like other racquets where it comes off easily. Try it out yourself and then tell me how easy it is. I played with the RDIS 300 for a year and modded 2 of them to my liking.
     
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  12. ollinger

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    Yonex grips have something akin to tar under them, yet the grips themselves begin to fall apart if you stare at them too long. I had one that started to shred near the buttcap before I had even played with the thing -- merely from swinging it a bit in the basement. And the headguards are practically translucent if you remove them. I think this reputation for quality is ill placed, perhaps an ongoing bias against all things made in China.
     
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    Done it many times... literally had to soak it in goo gone to remove all that glue residue.

    Word of advic when buying a Yonex racquet, determine your grip size in person, then go one size smaller. Replace the thin grip with an off the shelf one and you are good to go.
     
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    That's called marketing my friend, they must be more known brands!
     
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    I don't think this has to do with quality. it is probably due to some cost cutting initiative or trying to keep things light.
     
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    I agree. I don't find Yonex "quality" any better or worse than any of the other big brands. And I'm not sure what that adhesive is made of that they use under their grips. But they obviously don't want you removing them! There was a thread somewhere in this forum with some methods for removing them, but I do remember "goo gone" being mentioned a few times.

    edit...found this one

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=119880&referrerid=59371
     
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    The grips are thin and easily worn down but the build quality of the racquet itself is among the best.

    I've always assumed that they wanted to keep the grips as thin as possible because it suited the Asian market.

    The problem as well is that the racquets are already quite head light so a replacement grip exacerbates that problem.
     
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  18. TheBoom

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    So i just bought a yonex rdis 200 mp its my frst yonex and i bought it based on the specs. Anyone know what i can expect from it? Whats it feel like etc? The specs are my dream specs but ive never used a yonex before
     
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    Clair Harmony has hit all the points for me. They are a bunch of scientists, relentless R&D advancing tech and product lines, ignoring the previous which may have worked in the first place. maybe each product line is already perfect. maybe they've already thought of everything. maybe the papery stock grips are meant to be like that. maybe they want you using thin grips so the raw sublime feel from ball to strings to throat to handle can be savoured with no cortex/ball-bearings/shockshields/etc in between. no amount of changes to its PJ, build quality or design can be made to improve what already is (in their eyes) an already perfect racquet. i may be a YYtard but i think for an 89sqi rac at its weight category, the 89t is pretty darn close to it.
     
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  20. Power Player

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    Quality is more about how you can buy 3 of the same racquet and they all weigh and balance the same.

    The grommets suck on a lot of racquets and I have altered the grips on a lot of racquets as well. Not a huge deal to me, but obviously to others it is.

    Mykoh, lol I guess I'm a yy **** now too because I never have wanted to remove the stock grip. I actually prefer that feel as well. I just play my 200s stock and really don't have to think about my sticks at all. A string breaks, a grip is wet, I just grab the next one and go.

    I think the 89t just got the highest ratings of any TW review..I could be wrong, but they loved the thing.
     
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    Depends on your strings. I suggest you string it a couple of lbs higher than you tend to. For me it felt a little too light to swing and much too overpowered. In comparision rdis100mp is perfect for me. Although specs looks similar they feel very different. Rdis200 a very arm friendly racquet. I hope you like it. It's not for me.
     
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    it makes me mad when guys say yonex is a chick stick. right now yonex makes the smallest head size out of all of the companys. the 89 tour. what is more manly than that?
     
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    I got Luxilon adrenaline so that'll tone the power down a bit. What do yonex rackets feel like compare to other brands?
     
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    Yeah this illustrates how yonex sticks are so interesting. For example, the 95D swung heavier to me than the specs would indicate. What you are saying about the 100mp sounds similar since the RDiS specs out the same, almost to the T.

    I love how they can make racquets that stay right under 12ozs feel like they are 12.5 when you make contact.
     
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    Its because the face of Yonex is Waz and Ivanovich.

    People said the same about Prince and the White w/ Sharapova.
     
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    Chick frame??That s crazy man....take a rds 001 od rdis 100 and go to play some serious tennis!!!
     
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    I think Yonex will never do as good as Wilson HEAD where you just close your eyes, swing and the ball goes right where you wanted ....the shape is just not for everybody....I agree perhaps for Hewitt...but look at Ivanovic what success had with the Wilson Blade.....and now can't seem to recover....same for Caroline W. ........next is Wavrinka
     
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    Level of play has nothing to do with the racquet so its fantastical to suggest a Yonex is responsible for worsening form.
     
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  29. You Can't Be Serious

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    As someone noted earlier, it's about marketing. Even those with Yonex wonder about their marketing plan in North America. I gather the more players they sign things may change. Who knows.
    Take tenniswarehouse for example. Sabine Lisicki uses Yonex yet she is listed with Wilson. Where is Kerber on their list? Can't tell me Kerber isn't good enough ? Not sure why ?
     
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    face of yonex is hewitt and nalbandian
     
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    WTA seems more popular to show on TV than Men's tennis over here in the US so it kind of makes sense to market it that way.

    I saw a lot of yonex hitters when I was in Miami. I think they are getting more juniors now. But I could say the same about Dunlop and Tecnifibre as well..hell even Solinco.

    Babolats and similar sticks would have been considered granny racquets in the 90s. Now they are called tweeners. You will be on the courts and next to you will be more girls using PDs and APDs than any Yonex.

    I guess my point is that if you care about those things you are always going to find a way to punch holes in any racquet you use.
     
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    Although they've been in the U.S. for a long time, and while the percentage of U.S. sales has dropped (though this could be said for any number of pre-Babolat companies), I really don't think the U.S. is their focus. Across all categories of products they sell and across all markets, I think they're doing fairly well.

    I've always liked Yonex and have played with their frames here and there. Don't care at all about "chick frame" status, which I've heard jokingly before (from juniors). I could never take seriously an adult who says he doesn't play with a Yonex that he otherwise likes because it's a chick frame.
     
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    I have never seen a junior with a Yonex at all here in So Cal. They all have Wilsons and Babolats.
     
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    i won my set 6-1 with a rqis 1 yea baby!!
     
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    We are trying to explain why Yonex isn't more popular....these aren't my personal beliefs. I am trying to address the OP. I have zero bias towards any brand of racquet. I have been quite critical of Volkl at times and my current stick is an Organix 8. I think Yonex needs better marketing and to get away from the cryptic racquet names. RQIS, Xi98, etc. C'mon :)
     
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    Yonex simply doesn't have the visibility that other brands do. In the US, how many commercials have you seen promoting Yonex racquets. In the hands of the pros..yes..there are more successful female players wielding Yonex racquets but they are by no means a "chick stick". They're some of the best racquets around in terms of quality and spec tolerances.
     
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    There is no doubt the names are not really great. I guess when you pick one up you either like it or you don't, but you arent going to try one due to marketing most likely. At the same time I would be happy if yonex just kept doing what they were doing at a steady pace.
     
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    Hardly. While making great badminton, squash, and soft tennis racquets, Yomex tennis has an incredibly strong following worldwide. Fact is, in addition to Yonex, Japanese companies like Toalson and Bridgestone are also good sellers. I prefer the older, uber-flexible sticks, but Yonex is still very much at the forefront of modern racquet development. There is more to the world than the US market when it comes to tennis.
     
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  39. tistrapukcipeht

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    The racquets names aren't cryptic but rather an abbreviation.
    Ex- Xi(AKA Extra Isometric)... I don't even know what some of those names mean, but they come from a long time ago I think, URQ-RQ... RD, URD, RDS, RDX, RDiS

    So you're now picking on their names??? Don't be so picky dude, look around.

    If you mention names I'd rather go with theirs, than with for example these below:
    Prince Warrior (hey warrior weekend, what's up? lol), Prince EXO3(here is a cryptic name for you), EXO3 White (beautiful model name), EXO 3 Diablo, but wait, what about Volkl V1, Volkl Organix (what's behind it?), Gamma RZR, Pro kennex QTour (what does the Q stand for?), Pro Kennex redondo (nice name).

    What about these: Wilson Juice, Wilson Steam, Wilson Pro Open, Surge, or head Instinct, Radical, Insane... and let's not forget of Dunlop Biomimetic, what a great name for a line of racquets, how can anybody buy a racquet with this name??

    Bottom line is: companies will have names that makes no sense, weird and some really dumb.

    People don't really care about names much, they care about how it looks, play and so on...

    Your criticism has only been about irrelevant factors head shape, paint colors, (I just saw how nice the Volkl Organix 8 looks:shock:), thin grip.., however everybody agrees that Yonex marketing dept is almost nonexistent, maybe they don't want to be very popular, who knows what is going on with them.
     
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  40. zapvor

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    exactly. its almost like they are pouring money in better quality control instead of marketing than say......wilson lol
     
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    I kinda like the underdog cult like status Yonex has (much like Knissel, Pacific, Volkl)

    Where I am located, Yonex racquets are a good 20-30% cheaper than major brands like Babolat, Wilson & Head.

    That's exceptionally good value considering they are made in Japan. Honestly, I would rather plonk my money down and bet on good sound Japanese manufacturing over the haphazardness of the Chinese factories.

    And as long the business is financially viable, shareholders are happy and continues to make good racquets. I wouldn't care much about it's popularity among the masses.

    Granted the grips are paper thin and a pain to remove. However, this is not a quality issue, it's a consumer expectation issue. The product did not fail because of a thin grip. They have simply been designed that way, for reasons only the Yonex R&D guys would know. Now paint chipping too easily (subjective) on the Vcore line, that's likely a quality issue. The problem seems to be fixed on the Vcore tours, haven't got a single chip on mine.

    BTW contrary to popular perception on TT, Yonex tennis racquets aren't that popular in Asia either. Hardly anyone uses Yonex, even amongst ladies. Men are more likely seen using a Wilson (Fed?), while the ladies Babolats (Li Na?). And yes, Babolats do seem more like a chick stick going by visual statistics.

    I see more Yonex users down under (land of green and gold) than in Asia.
     
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  42. naldop

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    Syke,
    Where are you from?
    Having Yonex 20-30% cheaper is very good. I wish it is the same over here, the price of Yonex even in Indonesia is equal as the price of other racquet brands. :(
    And still, having a problem of no stocks...
     
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    I am currently residing in the land of milk and honey with streets paved with gold. :)

    Why are Yonex racquets cheaper over here? Wouldn't have a clue. Probably due to the close proximity to the land of the rising sun.
     
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    I happen to like their grip the most. Also the isometric head shape.
    One thing Yonex is missing to make loyal followers is a continuous line of racquets. Wilson has had their 6.1 for many many years (ncode, kfactor, blx...). Dunlop has had their 200 and 300 also.
    Babolat is popular mostly because they have popular top players. Their APD and PD has also been out for some time with different paint jobs, but stayed relatively the same. They also fit modern game well.
     
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    Uhmm... I m dumb in regards to idiom. You are from US?
    though, I don't think US is closer to Japan compare to my country. Still, you get better for Yonex is good.
     
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  46. tistrapukcipeht

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    Well paper thin grip as described by some is just something I like, much better feel of the bevels.

    I have a Chinese Yonex, and while it's isn't as great as the EZONE Xi, the Xi Team is a pretty darn good racquet, only problem is too soft and light which I'm thinking about adding some weight to it. The Chinese Yonex is as good as any Wilson, Babolat and Dunlop, difference being the specification. Now the Japanese Ezone Xi is a cut above these though.
     
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    I read a lot of hate about the paper thin grip before I got my racquets so I expected to feel the same, but I agree with you. I prefer to feel the bevels since I always use an overgrip. If you do not use an overgrip, you probably will not like it, but since I think yonex knows most players do, that is why they designed it this way. I also was very wary of the flare on the end of the handle, but these are things you have to know how to fix as a player. Just wrapping athletic cloth tape on that end will build up the flare rather easily and is a mod you can use on any racquet. You should know how to build a grip shape that you prefer on any racquet you use anyway.

    I can not wait until the weather gets cooler here again so I can go back to supergrap from my Tourna. Supergrap is simply the best overgrip to me, but I can't use it in the summer, only tourna works then.
     
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    Is the flare different on various models? I have the 89T and i dont think its that much less flare than a normal racquet. I also seem to turn my wrist over better on serves with it. I will risk launching my racquet for a better serve anyday. Thinking about trying 2 overgrips on this one but not sure if I want to. Don't have a problem with the thin grip but I think its definitely smaller than most L4 Grips because of the thin grip.
     
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  49. Sander001

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    As do I. The grip wears out very quickly but I think it's not meant for use by a more serious player, as the more serious players will often use overgrips or prefer their own particular grip anyway.
    I think a racquet coming with a good grip is akin to racquets coming pre-strung; something a novice player will be impressed by as they may not be able to appreciate the more important traits of a racquet.
    The cheap grips also serve to offset the costs of manufacturing in a 1st world nation like Japan, which help with the superior quality control and tighter tolerance specs.
     
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  50. syke

    syke Professional

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    Good point Tistra and yourself have brought up. Unfortunately, I am a leather + OG person. Removing the stock grip was a pain and prospective buyers thinking of replacing the grip need to be aware the bare handle is larger than usual.
     

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