Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by 90's Clay, Aug 22, 2012.
Must resist the urge to respond
Interested or not, we all know the answer because it's been on perpetual replay ten thousand times per week for about four years.
NatF, Don't you agree that Roger's balance as an oldie is rather poor in comparison with those of my top four?
Limpinhitter, Do you refer to your interesting claim that Rosewall is the all-time No.18?
And so it goes. . . .
I disagree with so much of that post Bobby
I'll start with your arguments on competition, I must be honest it very hypocritical that you slate Federer's competition and say nothing of Tilden's. Even for Rosewall's or Laver's it's easy to point out holes. I see no indication that any of those faced tougher competition than Federer across their careers.
- Tilden in his dominant period clearly had the worst competition of the 5
- Rosewall in his most dominant years was missing prime Gonzalez and Laver at the majors
- Laver dominated a not so great pro scene, Rosewall was clearly very strong but ageing and Gonzalez was obviously not the same. I'm not convinced by the strength of the second and third tier players of that time.
I find the fact that you chime in on Djokovic and Nadal being young in Federer's best years hypocritical considering Laver and Rosewall's overlap with each other (Rosewall get older from 1966/67, Laver not at his best until 1964) and Gonzalez (Gonzalez less focused on the Pro Majors from 1960 and then retired, not the same player in 1964). Nadal was competing in multiple major finals per year since 2006 for example. Federer also faced an older Agassi several times in majors and at the YEC.
I would say that Federer did win less than your fab four at an older age, that much is clear. However I would also say that his era is much tougher for older players and having peak Nadal and Djokovic around surely robbed him of as many majors as you consider Laver/Rosewall robbing each other of - possibly more.
It's a good top 10. I think I would have 8 of your top 10 in my top 10. Connors wouldn't be in there, and one of the others is very doubtful...
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