When will Tipsarevic exit top 10?

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Relinquis, Mar 2, 2013.

  1. Relinquis

    Relinquis Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2012
    Messages:
    4,335
    Location:
    On the courts; hard & clay ...
    He's been playing quite badly lately. Losing in early rounds of tournaments, retiring from matches, getting bageled and such.

    How long can he stay ranked so highly (currently #9)? And who will replace him?

    Is it Almagro time? Or will Simon make it?
     
    #1
  2. kishnabe

    kishnabe G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2008
    Messages:
    17,159
    Location:
    Toronto
    Gulbis will take it from him.....with his Delray, Madrid and FO title wins.
     
    #2
  3. augustobt

    augustobt Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2012
    Messages:
    2,845
    Location:
    Salvador, Bahia - Brazil
    He has a lot of points to defend in Madrid and in USO. Let's just wait it happen.
     
    #3
  4. Onehandedbackhand

    Onehandedbackhand Professional

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2012
    Messages:
    967
    He has to win Delray first.
     
    #4
  5. firepanda

    firepanda Professional

    Joined:
    May 11, 2012
    Messages:
    1,423
    Location:
    New Zealand
    Hey, what's wrong with Tipsarevic?! I quite like him!
     
    #5
  6. augustobt

    augustobt Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2012
    Messages:
    2,845
    Location:
    Salvador, Bahia - Brazil
    ahhahahaha tank for the joke.
     
    #6
  7. beast of mallorca

    beast of mallorca Legend

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    7,753
    Hopefully soon.
    I want Gasquet or Nishikori to take his place.
     
    #7
  8. uncooling

    uncooling Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    529
    He should be out of top 10 soon. Nishikori and Gasquet are much more talented.

    He's the most overrated player in top 20.
     
    #8
  9. Terenigma

    Terenigma Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2012
    Messages:
    5,987
    When one of those so called "future stars" actually delivers on the hype. So.... never?
     
    #9
  10. Paullaconte1

    Paullaconte1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2012
    Messages:
    309
    He should retire another couple of times and then game over, It would be nice to see somebody like Tomic, Dimitrov, Janowicz or Gulbis to break in. We need some excitement.
     
    #10
  11. xan

    xan Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2013
    Messages:
    1,069
    by whom? you? tennis fans? what is exactly overrating about him?
    or you are just taking out of your ass?
     
    #11
  12. Rob31

    Rob31 Guest

    Overrated or Overranked?
     
    #12
  13. Amelie Mauresmo

    Amelie Mauresmo Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,646
    Tipsarevic deserves credit for at least holding on to his top 10 ranking but he really isn't a factor in the top ten because he doesn't really have a good record against the other top players. Tipsarevic also seems to be a career quarterfinalist he's good enough to win minor events and reach a couple of slam quarterfinals but he eventually loses to better players. He's a small guy but he's maximized his talent.
     
    #13
  14. Raz11

    Raz11 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2011
    Messages:
    702
    He would need to lose around 600 points to exit the top 10. His main points are coming from Madrid, Canada, US open, Dusseldorf and Stuggart. I say no earlier than Canada.
     
    #14
  15. tennis ratchet

    tennis ratchet New User

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2013
    Messages:
    71
    very true, i think he's a good player, but he hardly ever knocks off any of the top six. and he's not a very young guy either.
     
    #15
  16. LeeD

    LeeD Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    36,365
    Location:
    East side of San Francisco Bay
    That "small" guy is one inch shorter than AndyMurray and an inch taller than Nadal and Federer. Close to DJ, that "small" guy.
     
    #16
  17. BlueB

    BlueB Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    1,741
    Location:
    Vancouver, BC
    What? He's 5'11"... Not quite Ferrer short, but not even close to Nada and Fed...
     
    #17
  18. uncooling

    uncooling Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    529
    both. he's being overrated by tennis fans (not necessarily his fans), and is overranked as well.
     
    #18
  19. mariecon

    mariecon Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2013
    Messages:
    1,960
    Location:
    the Great White North
    Uh he' s 5'11". Murray's 6'3".

    Hopefully he'll be out of the top 20 soon.. Can't stand him. The retirement king.
     
    #19
  20. Bryan Swartz

    Bryan Swartz Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 8, 2010
    Messages:
    1,763
    I'll bite. Who should be ranked higher than him that isn't? And why?
     
    #20
  21. Phonco

    Phonco Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2008
    Messages:
    302
    Only one I can think of is probably Gasquet. One spot lower, more wins, more titles, has 2-0 head to head, and I think he has more wins against the top ten than Tipsarevic.
     
    #21
  22. DunlopDood

    DunlopDood Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2009
    Messages:
    448
    Location:
    Vancouver
    Pretty soon I think, with guys like Raonic, Nishikori getting better and better, i think I'll give him till wimbledon
     
    #22
  23. Mainad

    Mainad G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2011
    Messages:
    13,290
    Location:
    Manchester, UK.
    I don't think so. According to the ATP profiles, he's 5' 11", Murray is 6' 3", Nadal and Federer are both 6' 1".
     
    #23
  24. uncooling

    uncooling Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    529
    tons of players actually.

    Wawrinka, Raonic, Nishikori, Gasquet, Almagro, Verdasco, Fish, Querry, Janowicz, and even Gulbis I think has more potential than Tipsarevic.

    Based on his potential, I would put him a top 30-50 at best considering how competitive tennis is now. He just got some luck in Toronto where almost all top players withdrew, and Madrid which was a blue clay (no explanation needed).

    Also, the courts got much much slower and players like Tipsarevic and Simon just took benefit from it.

    Tell me which part you don't agree with
     
    #24
  25. Rob31

    Rob31 Guest


    Why are you talking about Gilles Simon?
    He's a better player than Tipsarevic, leads the H2H 6-2 and was number 6 in 2009...:-?
     
    #25
  26. Relinquis

    Relinquis Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2012
    Messages:
    4,335
    Location:
    On the courts; hard & clay ...
    So only a handful more beat-downs and someone else will take his place as a seeded player at tournaments... Good.
     
    #26
  27. xan

    xan Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2013
    Messages:
    1,069
    your list is hands down retarded.
     
    #27
  28. Sabratha

    Sabratha G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2012
    Messages:
    12,119
    Location:
    Australia
    He's top ten for the rest of 2013.
     
    #28
  29. Beryl

    Beryl Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2011
    Messages:
    1,983
    Tipsy used to be underraked all those years when he was in the 40s on the rankings. Janko has a great backhand, excellent shot making off both wings, good serve for his size, better than average movement. He's been out of form recently and sometimes he chokes, but he's really not that bad of a top tenner. Tipsy is really talented, I don;t see how you can tell me otherwise.
    Inconsistent. Loses matches he should win far too often and rarely challenges the top guys either. He's in the same category as Tipsy and Gasquet: beats most players and looks impressive, but struggles beating the top 8.
    All-serve mug.
    Injured too often.
    Maybe, but he's still in the same category as Tipsarevic. He can't beat the top players very often either. How many top 8 players has he beat recently?
    Mediocre off clay, uber-level choker on all surfaces.
    lol, have you seen Verdasco play recently?
    Hasn't played on tour in ages. And even when he was, he wasn't beating the top 8 either.
    Robotic mug, just lost a match from being up a double break in the third. Doesn't have anywhere near the shot making ability of Tipsy.
    I support my countryman, but he has hardly proven his consistency to be at the top. His recent loss to Hanescu on an indoor hardcourt more than makes my point for me.
    More potential means nothing. Tipsy is a far better tennis player than Gulbis on most days. Hence the ranking difference.
     
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2013
    #29
  30. Roger Wawrinka

    Roger Wawrinka Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,049
    Location:
    So Cal
    I do like Tipsarevic and hope he will stay in the top 10, but if not I would like to see Almagro or Cilic. I know they are 11 and 12 so there not that far away, but hey that's just my opinion.
     
    #30
  31. Roger Wawrinka

    Roger Wawrinka Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,049
    Location:
    So Cal
     
    #31
  32. Beryl

    Beryl Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2011
    Messages:
    1,983
    Mediocre is a relative term here. He's a top 10 player on clay, but somewhere between 11-20 on hardcourts and something similar or worse on grass (hard to say with the lack of grass tournaments). The point is, I don't think he's better than guys like Gasquet, Wawrinka and Tipsarevic off clay.
     
    #32
  33. Bryan Swartz

    Bryan Swartz Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 8, 2010
    Messages:
    1,763
    Pretty much all if it :).

    Based on his potential? How do you rank players on an unquantifiable basis like potential? Everybody has an opinion there, but IMO it's unquestionably better to rank players on achievement(if a player can achieve more, they should, and if they don't, it's their fault and we shouldn't up their ranking because they should have, but didn't, do something).

    Courts are slower than they were 15 years ago, yes. It's the same for everybody, and everyone has to compete under the new environment. We don't rank players based on how they would have done in 1990(or whatever date you liked better). We need to rank them on what they achieve today.

    That covers Madrid, as for Toronto -- almost all the top players? 7 of the Top 10 played. By what logic, precisely, does 'almost all' mean 30%? That includes Gasquet by the way, who made the final -- which means he was that much worse that Tipsarevic the rest of the year to still be ranked below him.

    Having said that, let's look at the players you mentioned:

    Tipsarevic: Slams(1 QF, 2 R16, 1 other); Masters(2 SF, 2 QF, 1 R16, 3 others); 500(2 QF); 250(2 W, F)

    Wawrinka: Slams(3 R16, 1 other); Masters(1 SF, 1 QF, 4 R16, 3 others); 500(1 QF); 250(1 F, 1 SF, 1 QF)

    Slightly worse at best in every single category. Just no. If he doesn't skip a couple of masters and plays another 500 or two, he'd have a chance, but Tipsarevic got deeper into Masters/Slams consistently.

    Raonic: Slams(2 R16, 2 others); Masters(2 QF, 1 R16, 5 others); 500(1 F, 1 SF); 250(1 W, 2 QF)

    Too inconsistent at the Slams and Masters. Same song, different verse.

    Gasquet: Slams(4 R16); Masters(1 F, 1 QF, 2 R16, 4 others); 500(1 SF); 250(3 W, 1 F)

    He's got the best argument, as he's the one guy actually in the ballpark(which is why he is less than 9% behind in points, just 245 pts). The big difference is he exited early at too many Masters. One could possibly make an argument for him being ranked higher, but it's very thin as when you can't make the round of 16 in half the masters you enter(and never progress past that mark once in a Slam either), saying you should be higher than #10 in the world is a pretty big stretch.

    Nishikori: Slams(1 R16, 3 others); Masters(3 R16, 5 others); 500(2 W, 2 QF); 250(2 SF)

    Been a Kei fan for years, love watching him play. This is irrelevant. He missed a Slam and didn't get past the third round of two others. He also missed a pair of Masters and didn't get far in most of the ones he entered. Sensing a pattern here? Inconsistency and injury. Done very solidly in the 500/250s, but needs to step it up in the big events on a regular basis. Hasn't done it yet.

    Almagro: Slams(2 QF, 1 R16, 1 other); Masters(1 QF, 4 R16, 3 others); 500(2 SF, 1 QF); 250(1 W, 1 F).

    Interesting case here. Slightly better in Slams, considerably worse in Masters. Less than 600 points behind, which he could get if he would be more consistent.

    Not going to go through all of them in the sake of brevity(they're similar) except to LOL @ Gulbis. Rotterdam and Delray Beach(both in the last month -- good on him--) are the only events in the past year that he can claim to have won consecutive matches in other than Challengers. A guy who has to qualify for a 250 event should be ranked in the Top 10? Uh, wut??

    So yeah, I respectfully disagree with pretty much everything you said.
     
    #33

Share This Page