When Your Male Partner Goes A'Huntin'

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  1. Cindysphinx

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    I was talking with a 4.0 female friend who plays 8.0 USTA mixed. She was saying she was deeply unhappy with her 4.0 male partner in a recent match because he kept trying to hit through the opposing lady at the net with his groundstrokes.

    My friend was feeling like her partner's targeting of the opposing female meant it would be open season on her and the opposing male would feel free to retaliate and hit at here. My friend also said it was rude and unsporting for her partner to do what he did.

    Now, I know we have had many threads here where many guys say they would never hit at the woman. I am asking about the female perspective: Do you actively discourage your male partner in league mixed from targeting the opposing female with volleys/groundstrokes? If he started doing this, would you tell him to stop?
     
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    This sounds like something out of Discovery Channel.
     
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    I need more details. What do you mean by hitting at?? From what distance??
     
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    Did you or your partner invite the female player to net?
     
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    Communication is the key to any working relationship.
    Which doesn't mean communicating with you.
    She needs to talk to her partner.
    Every teams plays a different style. She needs to communicate with her partner about THEIR style.
     
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    Yeah, I would need more info also. If you're talking head-hunting, then I don't think anyone should do that to anyone. But if you must mean hitting to that person or at their feet, then I don't think it's rude or unsporting. You always target the weakest person in doubles. That's the best strategy.

    If I find I'm being hammered at the net with too much pace I'll just back up to the baseline, I'm not going to whine that I'm being hunted.

    I wouldn't tell my partner to stop targeting the weaker opponent during a match because I want to *win*.
     
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    Oh dear me, yet another thread about gender dynamics in mixed.

    I've probably already said this 1,000 times, but any format that puts players of widely different skills levels on the same court at the same time, and then expects them to take it seriously and play a "competitive" match, is going to lead to problems.

    If mixed were set up such that the female player needed to be 0.5 - 1.0 rating levels higher than the male player, gender would be a non-issue.
     
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    If it's an 8.0 league match and he's hitting at the female from the baseline, then that should be no problem. For 8.0 league matches, everyone expects everyone to give it their very best without anyone holding back. Going at the body is ok, as long as the intent is to jam the opponent and not deliberately them. If it's a 7.0 or below league match, then the stronger players usually hold back, particularly when the match is in the bag.
     
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    Think I've said this before, but I'm a woman and if someone hits at me at net okay; if I don't like it, I will back up. But I usually don't back up, so I don't think I would. If someone hits an overhead directly at my head - I might get a little bit pissy, but I would not say anything about it.

    I would never tell my partner not to hit at a net person (woman or male). Would I think it was the best play over and over - no, but that I would keep to myself as well. If I really did not like something a partner did, I would just not partner with them on a regular basis.

    But hitting at a net person is not on that list.
     
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    I can hear the late Steve Irwin in the background. "You're alright ... you're alright ... crikey just LOOK at her ... isn't she GORGEOUS!"
     
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    Oh man.........
     
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    I recently watched a 8.0 mixed match at my home courts that stands out in particular; 4.5M + 3.5W vs 4.5M + 3.5W. The one 4.5 guy hit pretty much every shot right at the opposing 3.5 woman when she was at net. She did not have good reaction time and got hit a couple of times. Funny thing is she did at one point try to stand further back, but her own 4.5 partner shouted at her to stand closer to the net when he is serving.
     
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  13. tennis_ocd

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    A 4.0 man hitting baseline groundstrokes at a 4.0 women at net should be a losing strategy. If she's botching them, uncomfortable and doesn't move back... awkward. How important is the win? (And she might just be determined to use the game to improve.)
     
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    Net play is basically ineffective if the net person doesn't stand at least middle of his/her service court...preferably a step forwards.
    Standing in the back half of your service court, you have to be superlative volleyer playing against player's below your level of volleying skill. Back at the service line is a sure loser, as is farther back in NML.
    Either stand in, or stand atop your own baseline.
     
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    I guess I will give you my opinion.

    Not only do I think it is perfectly fine for the 4.0 guy to hit directly at the woman at net as hard as he wants, I get a little annoyed when my own male partners refuse to send anything to the woman and play only to the guy.

    See, if my partner is choosing to hit at the opposing 4.0 woman at net, he has to do it off of the serve or groundie of the 4.0 guy. When guys try to target me in that situation, they often miss long or wide or into the net. 'Cause it is hard to change direction off of my partner's ball and bust a ball at or by me without missing as many as you make.

    Anyway, I wasn't there, so I don't know exactly what was going on. I believe my friend's 4.0 male partner was being outplayed because the other 4.0 was stronger. So he decided to win points against the woman at net by hitting returns and groundies to her. Alas, this did not work because she often ducked and his ball went long.
     
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  16. dizzlmcwizzl

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    During my last mixed match I was playing with a new partner ... the first words she ever spoke to me were ....

    "Feel free to hit at the woman, I don't mind one little bit if they come right back at me"
     
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    I can't tell you how many times my female partner has "asked" me to hit at the opposing girl
     
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  18. NadalDramaQueen

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    Just ban mixed doubles from recreational leagues and save everyone the headache.
     
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    I never hit at people. I do try to hit down the alley and have scared a couple of women at the net, but it's not intentional.
     
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    *swoon* Love at first sight! :lol:
     
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    Hey I used to played mixed doubles with my wife and she complained to me that a doubles partner of mine (female also) was targeting her face at the net when my friend played on the other side. To this day my wife can't stand it when I call her up for doubles. Fact is that she wasn't targeting my wife's face but just aiming at the weaker player.

    On the other side my friend used to be a top women's double's player on the college level so we never hit at her when she was at the net. She's deadly with the volley.
     
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  22. Overdrive

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    Uh, playing mixed doubles with a spouse/significant other isn't a great idea..

    :-|
     
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  23. NadalDramaQueen

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    I dislike playing mixed doubles with my wife, but I would never tell her that. :)

    Fortunately, our levels are too different to compete in leagues, so the issue doesn't really come up. Some casual mixed every now and then isn't too bad.

    I really have much more fun either playing singles or regular doubles, and I don't see why anyone would willingly step down to the mixed league. :cool:
     
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  24. tennis tom

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    Speaking from a female perspective, competitive doubles is all about hitting at the ladies. If you can't stand the heat--stay in the kitchen.
     
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    I couldn't agree more. The difference in mobility between me and my wife is huge. So in the match I was writing about my wife was serving to my friend who was the top college player and she was hitting sharp angled crosscourt returns that my wife couldn't reach but I knew I could reach. So I decided to move over and I hit a half volley down the line winner. My wife scolded me that it was her shot to hit. She was upset. So I figured it's better to lose the battle and win the war. Incidentally we lost.

    There was another time we were playing doubles in which we were the far superior team. I decided to fool around a bit with some angled volleys that I missed. She didn't like that I did that and told me in very certain terms. I had to really concentrate in a match that I thought I could enjoy. We won every set at love.

    My wife isn't a bad player but I don't play doubles with her anymore. I don't mind losing but there are inherent problems with playing with your spouse.
     
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    Speaking from a guy standpoint competitive doubles is hitting at the weaker player. Like I wrote I used to play doubles regularly with an excellent former collegiate woman player and she was better than just about all of us. You tried to avoid her at the net. She rarely missed a volley and her volleys were very strong. I used to joke that when I played with her my job was avoid errors and let her put everything away. She used to have this little grin just before she put a shot away. Used to annoy some of the guys. :)
     
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    Your friend is right. When one plays tennis, you are supposed to hit the ball where your OPPONENTS want the ball hit!

     
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  28. TennisCJC

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    I play lots of mixed in the winter and summer seasons. It is ALTA but it is equivalent of 4.0 to 4.5 USTA. I have no problem hitting at the female partner. I don't hit at her with the intent of hitting her as I will try to direct volleys to her feet or slight to her side. From the baseline, I will hit a hard topspin shot at her and from this distance, it could hit her if she is not quick enough to volley it. My female partners generally like me to play the women.

    As long as you are not head hunting - intentionally trying to hit the female, I think it is fair play in competitive matches.
     
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    Do you think I should come right out and tell my friend to reconsider her position?

    See, she plays a lot of contract time and club tennis, so of course it is more genteel.

    I now know that the guy's goal was to hit more up the middle near the woman, not to send her home on a stretcher.
     
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    Never mind. We talked about something else, so I brought it up.

    I decided to make the point with a story. I started off saying her partner probably figured that doubles is won by targeting the weaker player. I said a lot of guys are very reluctant to win points off the woman, though.

    I remembered a match I had in which my male partner in the deuce court was getting crushed by the opposing guy. My guy was just not strong enough in the rallies, and we were getting destroyed. I had observed during warmup that the opposing woman had zero BH volley.

    I told my guy to take a ball up the line into the alley she was hugging so desperately. He said he was worried he would hit her. I said, "Don't worry about hitting her. Don't hit it hard. Don't even look at her. Just guide it down her alley so that you 100% make the shot. If she hits a winner, she hits a winner."

    He did it, she botched the volley. He did it twice more, and she botched each volley.

    Her partner then pulled her back to the baseline. This allowed us to send every ball to her and win the match.

    The best part about that story is that it is 100% true.
     
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  31. blakesq

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    what did your friend say?

     
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    She did not say much. I think she took it on board.

    We are going to do a practice match, and her partner can do all the headhunting against me that he wants. I could use the practice!
     
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  33. Alchemy-Z

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    I'm married to my mixed doubles partner and we play for fun and that's the most important part.
    No match is worth looking like a tool to win in mixed doubles.
     
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    this sounds like a very fun tennis swinger's party. film at 11.
     
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    But your title says he's into "A" hunting...:confused:
     
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    Yeah, I wouldn't tell her that unless you want to sleep on the couch in your living room... :mrgreen:
     
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    Ummmm.................. that's an odd statement coming from a female... :shock:
     
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    Yes, that's absolutely true. I personally don't like playing mixed with anyone because I feel that I'm a stronger player in singles. Sure, you can pick up ladies from playing and winning matches, but you know.. there can be issues at that.. :?
     
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    You don't have to be a tool to win in mixed doubles... :)

    Playing for fun? Sounds like a meager motivation. :cool:
     
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    cant take the heat? stay out of the 8.0mixed doubs kitchen. thats my motto.
     
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    Females who expect males to play differently in mixed than they do in same sex doubles matches should just not play mixed imo. That attitude is one reason why I played one season of mixed and then vowed 'never again'. In that season I had several female opponents who would stand well inside the baseline when receiving my serve then give me the stink-eye if I dared to hit a body serve at them.
     
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  42. kimguroo

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    If someone is scared by net plays, why she/he stands at the net?
    Hitting at the net person is part of strategy which will give more options of shots.
    if one can't handle net plays, please just move back.
     
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    Hey, I'm a male--but deeply in touch with my feminine side.
     
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    Yeah, I bet. :rolleyes:
     
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    I am a big hitter and intentionally avoided mixed doubles over the years for that reason. My doubles strategy also doesn't work well as it is low down the middle on most shots with a few angles, and any popped up ball which can't be angled away hit hard directly at the opponent.

    The problem with mixed is that some women seem to want to stand their ground when the appropriate play is duck and cover. I think some women want to have the ball hit hard at them by their definition, and anything above their definition is clearly inappropriate. Being married for a few years I now understand this philosophy, but prefer to avoid it in competitive situations.
     
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    If you are playing a league match, you play to win, and in doubles, that means going after the weaker player hard. In Mixed, that usually means going after the female. If she doesn't want to get hit, she can play back. So yes, I have hit at women hard with forehands and overheads. But it is foolish to aim high, since it is likely you will miss and it will go long. So I have hit lots of women (and many, many males) in the legs and lower body with the ball. That's not going to hurt anyone. There may be the rare case of someone getting injured by getting hit with the ball, but that is less likely than, say, someone twisting their ankle changing direction on the court. Besides, if a female gets hit with the ball, it is likely her partner's fault for allowing the opponent to hit the shot. Getting hit with the ball is a very common occurrence in doubles, and is no different in Mixed. And going after the woman is basically accepted by everyone who plays mixed doubles and it is what the males are instructed to do by captains and female partners. In fact, I know of a superior 4.5 male player who was held out of a playoff lineup almost solely because he does not go after the women when he plays.
     
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    hit through the opposing lady at the net with his groundstrokes.

    There are three thing which could be done: Say back and not get hit, stay at the net, or stop playing.
     
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    If they're 4.0's, they can make their own decision to stay at net or move back. Unless we're playing a friendly match or the girl is lower than 4.0, she gets the same strokes and the same serves as the guys. If you're there to play, play. It's not a game of courtship. I'm not going to nail a girl flat out with a ball, but if my only shot is to hit the ball to her, it's her job to defend against it.
     
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    why even play mixed if it always creates these undesirable dramas?
     
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    That's not true. I good 4.0 player could still blow through a 4.5 woman. Those numbers go out the window when men start cranking it up. It would maybe make it easier but it wouldn't be a non issue. I saw what was suppose to be some 5.0's playing at state next to us....two of them wouldn't have had a chance with good 4.0 men blowing them up at the net. They were both overweight and could barely keep their raquets up in front of them with the two girls they were playing so I could imagine what would happen if some men were hitting at them.

     
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