When Your Male Partner Goes A'Huntin'

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  1. chatt_town

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    That's exactly right. Too many women want to be on court but they only want to be in a position to bring down their own overheads at the net or do what they want to do...God forbid a man hit a ball to them at their feet and they don't bend down to half volley or dig it out. You are considered a head hunter. Their is head hunting and then there is going at the woman...big difference. Head hunting is hitting a ball at a woman's head from close range....to me that is. I only do that to protect the woman that I'm playing with if the other man on the other side or the woman for that matter starts it. You have some women that live by the same ole thing they live by in real life(they think they can hit men but men shouldn't hit them back). I've seen some women that take it to the man or woman at the net but when it's their turn...it's wrong for the man to do it. I say if you are 4.0 and above you should be volleying so either have the sense to volley or get back. Men have to do it in men's doubles. We know what strokes we can and can't handle and govern accordingly. Women should do the same and not whine about being targeted.


     
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  2. struggle

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    when did "hit it at/toward/to the skirt" lose out?

    it's typically a winning/more sound strategy in mixed, but not always.

    lastly, there are times when it should or should not happen, of course......pending levels of play and match intensity/situation, social etc.

    head hunting is really never called for, regardless.
     
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  3. Rjtennis

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    I played a liitle mixed and always hated when people picked on the weaker player. It just lead to short points and boring tennis. Nobody is learning anything from getting picked on in a match. Mixed is a social a game. It around for people to have a good time and socialize. There always seem to be some major mis-matches in mixed and if they are really exploited it just ruins the match.
     
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  4. doubleshack

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    I know you are asking for the female perspective, sorry, can't give that. If it was social match, I'd have a different answer, but this is league. Target the weaker person.

    However, to me, targeting the weaker player and hunting (the title of the thread) are two different things. If someone were to 'hunt' my partner, there will be trouble. But it would never occur to me to hunt their partner, as they did nothing wrong.

    Fortunately, while I've seen hunting, it has not happened on my court (knock on wood).
     
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  5. chatt_town

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    That's BS. They have USTA sanctioned mixed matches. The weaker player be it man or woman should always get it. You have a bunch of women now that can't play but they will get on the courts with men at 8.0 and 9.0 mixed just to say they played at that level. Many times what you get is two men trying to show out and play each other while the women stand there with their raquets basically down to their waist looking like picture takers. Many of them barely break a sweat. Then when they get in a match with people that are trying to win, they start moaning about being picked on. Men do it in men's doubles. I don't know what makes women think they are exempt from this. I remember clearly being a target in a couple of tourneys I played in with men's doubles. I stepped up and got them off of me quick and won both tourneys playing with guys that were two levels above me. A doubles team is only as strong as it's weaker link. Anyone who knows anything about doubles knows that.


     
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  6. chatt_town

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    You will be in trouble if/when it does. Your woman will be the only one on the court afraid. Most men that hunt won't stop because you are hitting at them. They get that in men's doubles. They will tend to stop when you hunt at the woman. She really is doing something wrong. She's still playing with him and basically condones it if she stays out there with him after he does it. She is saying she is okay with him hunting the female on the other side...that is until it happens to her. You should protect your female at all times on the court and the best way to do that is hunt everybody on the other side of the net including the woman. Otherwise, you won't have your mixed partner for long. You will go through them faster than Wilt Chamberlain.

     
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    I think you hit the nail on the head with the bolded bit. The weaker player should be the target.

    Prolem is that mixed allows for much wider skill ranges to be playing against each other. For example in men's combo yeah you can be a 4.5 and one of your opponents is a 4.0, so that is one level difference. But in mixed you can be a 4.5 male and one of your opponents is a 3.5 woman, roughly equivalent to a 3.0 male, so that is 3 levels difference.

    This is why mixed is often not going to be good, high-quality tennis (although it can be fun socially).
     
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  8. chatt_town

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    I agree with that...and I think it can get really tricky at 8.0 mixed(where you eluded to) because at that level the 4.5 man can possibly even be closer to a 5.0(the case many times in sanctioned matches as people are trying to win or qualify). Women need to be very careful about wanting to play 8.0 mixed especially as a 3.5 rated player. :) it could get ugly. I'm talking Shciavonie or Stepenak ugly here. :)


     
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  9. bethany2

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    This whole thread surprises me! I'm shocked that this is even an issue or question!

    Would you all have as much of a problem if the woman was the stronger player and was going after ("hunting") the weaker player on the other team?
     
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  10. chatt_town

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    No, they wouldn't and there is where the problem is. I've come across several women that hit at men much less women. I remember playing against a college woman once. She was all of 6'0 tall and wasn't much difference between her build and her male partner(ex NFL running back with a winning Superbowl team). She unloaded on me at the net for the better part of a set in a half. They were kickin us as well. So the first chance I got, I unloaded on her and I thought we were going to have to stop the match from all the drama that unfolded. It was 9.0 mixed first of all and second of all...it was the finals...third...she had unloaded at me several times. I hate it when women do that. She also played d1 college(I forget where) but she could hit it. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Lord knows I was taking the bombs and the @$$whipping at the same time. I not one time complained about it...vollied most of them back but that is not the point. If you are going to unload then you certainly should be expected to be unloaded upon. She knew what she was doing because she never did that to my wife...but only at me. So it was by design and I had no problem with it.


     
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    Hey, it surprised me too!

    I can see easing up some if (1) your male partner hit the opposing lady already and feels bad or, (2) you are winning easily and you don't want to look like you are kicking a weak opponent when she is down.

    What I can't understand is some blanket rule about not hitting at a woman in 8.0 mixed.

    And . . . where is this blanket rule when I play mixed? I swear, guys hit at me *all the time.*

    If there is a rule, can we maybe get it posted in large print so all the guys are working out of the same playbook?
     
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  12. jc4.0

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    If you're at net, you should expect to be targeted with groundstrokes and be capable of defending against them - I would welcome the challenge, and probably hit so many volley winners they would stop doing it. This is a specific drill we do in team practice.

    If the net person is scared of this tactic, they have to back off the net, and play from a more defensive position. It benefits the opponent's strategy - but there's nothing illegal here. Many women are capable of hitting excellent volleys off hard-hit groundies. If this person can't, she's at a disadvantage but shouldn't whine about gender-bias.
     
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    I think the simple answer here is at the 8.0 level, if you cannot take advantage of being hit at while at the net, don't go there. Mixed or not.
     
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    I'm reminded of a time that is at least sort of related to this topic.

    It's 7.0 mixed playoffs at sectionals. A strong 4.0 guy was continuously targeting the lady on the other side (she's a 3.5). But, after pretty much every time he did it, he would apologize. It got pretty silly, to the point he was apologizing after like half the points. She wasn't even upset that he was hitting at her, but she did start rolling her eyes after the 7th or 8th apology. It was obvious to everyone (including mere observers, such as myself) that he was hitting the ball exactly where he intended. But still, the hand was raised, and "sorry" was uttered, like 30 times that match. Kinda amusing in retrospect.
     
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    How is this posssible? Last time I checked, 4.0 + 3.5 = 7.5 > 7.0
     
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    I think it's very rare to have the woman be the significantly stronger player in USTA mixed, so that's why that doesn't really come up.

    For whatever reason there seem to be very few women at 4.5 and higher levels, compared to the number of guys at these levels. And even then, if a 4.5 woman pairs with a 3.5 man in mixed and is facing a 3.5 male opponent, the gap in actual ability between a 4.5 woman and a 3.5 male is far smaller than the gap between a 4.5 male and a 3.5 woman.

    Of course the situation could come up in social play, but then in social play hunting is kinda frowned upon anyway.
     
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  17. dcdoorknob

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    The 4.0 guy was playing with a 3.0 woman. The 3.5 woman was playing with a 3.5 guy.
     
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    DUH! :oops::oops::oops:

    Senior moment!
     
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