Where did this "Nadal has OCD" thing come from?

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  1. chanee

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    Had any English lessons lately? You know, since it's your second language...

    I would say Nadal does have OCD. I mean, look what he does with his water bottles. It's kinda creepy though that Verdasco does the same thing.
     
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    he is the Nadal of time wasting in MLB. :)
     
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  3. Azzurri

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    is it really his 2nd language? i doubt it. or maybe he picked up english when he began watching tennis, 6 months ago.:shock:
     
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    Not everyone believe you, so their english is their 2ndary language too?:roll:

    Like I said, every players have to obey the rule including rafa. I don't care if he has a problem, the players has their own right to the game. There's no special treatment...not for anyone. It is rediculous for the entire field to suffer just b/c of rafa. He's not bigger than the sport!!!!!!!!!
     
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    LOL...for someone who claimed losing in the 3rd round at the slam is much WORSE than in the final know so much about the game.:shock:
     
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    What a surprise, now plenty of errors appear in this post. :rolleyes:

    Why did you lie about that? English is obviously your first language.
     
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    Nothing to dispute what I've said then that means you agree with me about Rafa needs to follow the rules on court regardless of what you guys think about his OCD. Okay, let's move on now.
     
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    I think people with OCD have a difficult time breaking up their habits. Like Monk. LOL.
     
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    Well firstly I have no intention to bash you, I think you're one of the fairer Nadal fans. But he quite obviously doesn't have it no matter how hard you try to spin it. I had what I would call a "mild" case, and that in itself could be pretty consuming. I was a washer (that was my most consuming compulsion, obsessive hand-washing), and I would open doors with my elbows, had to skip a step while going up the stairs. If I got a glass of water, I would have to pour, empty, and re-pour the glass exactly 8 times before drinking it, had to lock and unlock my home 8 times before leaving. Everything was done in 8's for some reason. My most annoying compulsion was when there were times when I had to have any question, or anything on my mind answered. My mind would not be at ease until every question or mystery in my mind was answered. Even incoherent questions. I didn't expect or even want a comprehensive or even helpful answer, I just needed to air it all out. After a while, the person I was asking these questions to would get annoyed, and invariably their response would be STFU, or something to that nature, and yet I would still keep asking. It actually sounds worse than it was the way I am describing it, I could control it if I absolutely must (ie, if I was at work, etc), plus it was treated fairly easily and I am mostly symptom-free today.
    If Nadal had OCD, his medical team would know, and they would want to treat it. Remember, these are some of the most competitive athletes in the world, who go to obscene lengths to find even the slightest advantage, or to cover up any physical/mental weakness. This applies ten-fold to Nadal, who has undeniably been trained with great care and precision.
    Also, OCD doesn't just flare up (like it supposedly does with Nadal on important points). It's with you all the time, and you can usually only control it if you have to or would be an absolute fool not to. What Nadal has is not OCD, he usually stops his rituals for a period of time after being warned, and it's not like he somehow starts playing like a brick as a result. I would say his superstitions are the result of nervousness. They are not a constant thing, as OCD usually is. It's like when you bite your nails when you are anxious, or tap your feet when public speaking.
    I know it sounds hypocritcal that I seemingly lambast Nadal for time-wasting when my favorite player is Djokovic, but again it's not really the time wasting that has bothered me that much. It just rubbed me the wrong way that some of his fans side-stepped the issue and blamed it on a very real and in many cases debilitating disease that should not be trivialized.
     
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  10. TheFifthSet

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    You summed up my post perfectly, thank you.
     
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  11. Cyan

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    Proof that Rafa has ocd is that I have seen videos of him picking his booty at football matches and while playing golf. He has this habit outside of tennis... It's just part of him.
     
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    Nadal is clearly obsessive and a perfectionist It's stupid to justify his wasting of time by OCD. He uses clearly gamesmanship to get extra time to rest and more focus when serving.
     
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    I'm fine with your opinion,I just repeated what I heard a lot back when Nadal started being famous and his routines were analized by different people. My opinion is not medical fact. Also,a lot more people than was previously thought have mild forms of OCD(and yes,a lot of them are sportsmen),a disease which,as you said,is really debilitating when it is really serious. I understand having nervous tics,being superstitious and all that but in Nadal's case in seems like there is something more to it.
    No one is this superstitious:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJOUObaany0

    But Rafa's "arsenal" of has really grown throughout the years and I don't think he has added more and more superstitions(justified through rituals) just to gain a few more seconds. Why does he pick his ass? What superstition could it possibly relate to? He knows it is embarrassing,it doesn't serve any purpose,but it apparently calms him down and he can't really stop it. And he does it repeatedly. I see a lot of sportsmen and their superstitions but most do these little rituals before big moments or at the beginning of the match and few continue them after the goal is achieved. Nadal is still as adamant about his "things" even when he has a leading by a huge margin and is two-three points away from the win.

    Or it could be that Nadal is the world's most superstitious sportsman who constantly seeks out new rituals to reduce his anxiety on-court,no matter how much time he wastes with them or how embarrassing they may be.
     
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    see what a liar TMF is. no one takes him seriously.
     
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  15. luvly

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    I don't think that Nadal has an OCD. Compulsive behaviors are usually tied to an irrational obsession, ie i could have a compulsive behavior for turning lights on because i believe that if i dont turn the light on someone will attack me.

    So if nadal did have a specific OCD and his rituals would be coupled with an obsession and i just dont see anyone being able to handle obsessive thoughts and play tennis at that level.
     
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  16. jazzyfunkybluesy

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    He has got Uncle Tony to keep him on mark.

    Its very possible he has OCD. He has many, many open rituals.
     
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  17. luvly

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    You dont have to live with OCD, it is not a disorder that you simply manage. most psychologist will deal with the obsessive thoughts, wait and see if the compulsive behaviors go away and if not you treat the compulsive behaviors with behavior modification.

    its is not an easy road but if that were the only psychological disorder it could be done. i think the rituals are just something he does and needs with out any "psychological disorder" other than a learned dependency
     
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    ocd is not usually debiliitating
     
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    Are you serious? Please stop displaying your massive amount of ignorance.
     
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    it can be, but certainly isnt always
     
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    Even the most minor form of OCD can be a serious distraction, especially to a professional tennis player at the highest level who requires a GREAT amount of concentration.
     
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    noone can say nadal cant concentrate?
     
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  23. luvly

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    but it can be. i have never been interested in clinical psychology, although my school required the course when getting the psych degree. so i remembering this from class were we studied the whole dsm by disorders. you watch the little case study video, which usually is an extreme case, and then you move on to the next disorder.


    OCD is a type of psychological disorders hence the Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. I don't remember how many there are but there are different types. some on who washes their hands all the time would have a different OCD from some one who counts things and likes patterns. In the disorder type you have Obsessions which are just thoughts and dont have to be coupled with a behavior and then you have compulsive behaviors which are usually couple with obsessive thoughts and that's why they are grouped together.

    they can be very debilitating when someone develops multiple obsessions and compulsive behaviors. its just like phobias in that regard some are worst then others and it depends on the degree.

    and it gets more difficult when its coupled with another disorder because the obsessive thoughts could be a result of that disorder and you can not treat the compulsive behaviors with out treating the obsessive thoughts because they are linked.
     
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  24. Azzurri

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    dude, stfu at this point. you have no idea what you are talking about. even slight OCD is an issue. my friend has to circle his block 3 times before he comes home, everytime he comes home. he has to count each car as he drives. that is his only "ocd", but you would not believe how this affects him. stop talking about it. just admit you don't know much and move on. you are probably 12 years old and completely clueless.
     
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    Its can be downright depressing actually.
    I cant imagine having OCD and being perfectly happy with it.
    That said-Its fine to not know about it.Dosent make anyone a '12 year old' A lot of people who havent studied,seen or experienced it have misconceptions about it.Its not uncommon and completely understandable.
     
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    HOW OLD ARE YOU?! Have you ever seen someone with a "minor" form of OCD? You realize that these COMPULSIVE BEHAVIORS STEM FROM AN OBSESSION OF SOME SORT, THUS WHY IT IS CALLED OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER.



    That would mean if Nadal truly had OCD, his compulsive behaviors come from SOME sort of an obsession / phobia / etc., which means that it would greatly hinder his ability to play tennis even if the OCD was minor.
     
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  27. jazzyfunkybluesy

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    I think it is relatively possible that he has mild OCD and this may even help him concentrate. Look how intense he plays on every point. I can't remember seeing anyone in any sport give as much effort as Nadal. The water bottles, butt picking and his other repeated behavior rituals are classic OCD. I wonder if some people ever find out what their OCD stemmed from.
     
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    I see it all the time. Lance Armstrong, Tiger Woods, etc. do it all the time. What he performs are rituals that are in no way tied to any obsession. Once the umpire warns him, he immediately breaks his rituals with ease. Even if his OCD were supposedly minor, there is no way he could possibly do it so easily.
     
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  29. jazzyfunkybluesy

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    What does this refer to?
     
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    Haha, using phrases like "dude" and "stfu" makes you the adult in the situation. I have so many things to look forward to when I'm all grown up!
    Don't you have a wife? I assume maybe kids? Tsk tsk, I'm not one to judge, but I hope you don't act this way around them. That's just a terrible example to show them.
     
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    Sometimes its absolutely neccesary.:twisted:
     
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    Pascal Maria, 4th set Wimbledon 2008 final where he gave him a time violation warning. After that, Nadal completely stopped his time wasting antics and just got on with the show, and eventually won the match.
     
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    only a 12 year old or extremely immature idiot would keep argueing with namranger. instead of educating himself, he continues to be ignorant. he is either 12 or a complete moron.
     
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  34. Azzurri

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    exactly. its just his way, not real OCD in any form.
     
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    serve ace mjst be perfect.:rolleyes:
     
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  36. veroniquem

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    Nobody has ever claimed Nadal had a "clinical" form of OCD. The worst one could say is that he has OCD tendencies. That's different, you can have some characteristics of a disorder without having all of them and without needing treatment.
     
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    thats what i meant
     
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    That's what you meant?

    Great back-tracking.

    Why don't you use this classic, too?

     
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    i mean, ive been diagnosed with ocd and it doesnt control my life...
     
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  40. jazzyfunkybluesy

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    Right, that would make people think you know what you are talking about.:twisted:
     
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    Oh, ok, thanks for mentioning that at this point in the discussion.

    :roll:
     
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    i give up *sigh, crying*
     
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    I think he has perfectionist tendencies and possibly could be OCD, but until he is formally diagnosed I wouldn't say he is, and I certainly wouldn't use it as an excuse.
     
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    An excuse for what? He has some "tics" he hasn't been able to eradicate like pulling on his shorts and setting his bottles just so.
    That's a completely different issue from him being slow at serving. It seems you're the one using the "rituals" as a justification for not serving fast. I see those 2 things as completely unrelated.
     
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    Pulling shorts is fine; the bottle thing though IS time consuming and is a part of his time wasting antics. You aren't the one using OCD as an excuse, but namelessone is.
     
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    The bottle thing happens during changeovers which are timed by the ump + how long do you think that takes? 5 seconds? Give me a break! Almost all players have little things they do during changeovers to help their concentration, some players keep their head covered by their towel for instance. Bottom line is everyone is free to use their changeover time as they please period. As long as they get up when the ump says "time", who cares?
     
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    According to this video....



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyU5VbWoDdc



    He took something like a minute and a half during a part where he wasn't even suppose to stop. Sure, if he just got a sip of water that's fine. But the dude literally went through a voodoo ritual on the side during the changeover.



    And no, Nadal very rarely is the first one out of a change over. He usually takes alot of time with his bottle rituals, and stalls the server a ton also inbetween points, not to mention his slow serving. I think there's enough video evidence out there that shows that Nadal indeed does waste a little too much time, and not because of OCD either.
     
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    That must get awfully messy :-?
     
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    you werent the one who implied he had it but those who did do a great disservice to people who have it. imo.
     
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    pretty much any part of his clothes would be better to screw with
     

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