Where do you rank Nadal on the GOAT list?

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  1. fed_rulz

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    being an "also ran" in 1/4 slams should count heavily against Sampras. In the Nadal vs Sampras case, you could make an argument for either party; it's not as cut and dry as the Federer vs Sampras case.
     
  2. tudwell

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    Sampras is definitely ahead of Nadal. It's pretty cut and dry in my eyes. Nadal would need a few more slams and, more importantly, a lot more time at No. 1 to catch up.
     
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    Yeah I know...but that only exist on TTW. Fed can win 20+ slams in the future and his detractors still only see him as the same guy in 2009.
     
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    Someone who thinks Laver is GOAT will be asking why Federer is considered on Laver's level when Laver has won 200 tournaments, has 7 years in a row as world number 1, has won 2 Grand Slams and has won a Professional Grand Slam? And Laver isn't the only other player other than Federer who could be GOAT. There are other dominant players for long periods like Gonzales and Tilden. And Borg also has a claim for GOAT. Who else has won 11 majors at 25 years old? Borg eventually walked away due to politics, having played his last major at age 25. Seriously, the only knock on Borg's record is that he failed to win the US Open, despite reaching 4 finals.
     
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    hahahah +1:)
     
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    Sampras is far ahead of Nadal, no possible comparison.The level of competition was alos abyssal.
     
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    3 Grand Slams to 0, easy no?

    Nadal´s never got close to any indoor major title, and Borg won 3 of them.He leads Nadal by 3 majors ( who cares about OG???)
     
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    Grasping at straws again? Laver's 200 titles have much less weight than an ATP calendar events. I've already stressed this before that many of his events that he won were a 4 man draw, exhibition, no competition at all. Besides, having the most single titles doesn't mean you are more accomplished. Experts have Connors holding the record at 109, but do you think Federer would trade his 75 titles for Connors' 109? Hell no.

    Michael Phelps is consider the greatest swimmer before the Olympics got started. Now that he broke the record with 19 medals, he's consider the greatest Olympian. The guy is raising the benchmark. Federer is doing the same thing, and it started after 2009 FO. As he continue to win, he's going to distance himself from the past great players, and Nadal and Nole will also continue to move up from the list of all time great.
     
  9. Russeljones

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    I have to agree with your tennis comments, the 'Greatest Olympian' ones less so. :)

    Laver's accomplishments are ambiguous due to the large number of amateurs he faced whereas Federer's are magnified by the (acclaimed) level of opposition he has faced. The timeline for Borg's accomplishments is not a rasonable GOAT factor. End result matters and he falls (far) short.
     
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    The 200 tournament argument would be like comparing turn of the century boxers (20th) to Tyson, Lennox Lewis and the K brothers. The level of competition and the format should be a whole other discussion. Perhaps we need to come up with a system for indexing pre-Open era achievements.
     
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    I agree the 90s had weak competition, but Sampras is still ahead of Nadal despite it.
     
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    Most of Laver titles came on grass. Back at the time Laver won titles on grass and clay. Federer, Nadal and Agassi won their slams on hard, grass and clay - three surfaces.

    Then again, Laver was 173cm. When was the last time a player below 180 won a slam nowadays? Cliche or not, tennis nowadays is much more competitive than 40 yours ago. Then there goes the division between pro and amateur tour.

    Nothing to take away from Laver, some of his records may never be bettered, but things are not black and white as it seems...
     
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    1990´s was far more competitive than nowadays.
     
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    Laver won more indoor titles than grass or clay titles.And he also won the biggest hard court events of his time.Hard courts were not as popular as today, but there were far more indoor events, on wood and on carpet.
     

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