which cheap 1st stringer should I go with?

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by spectraflamed, Apr 5, 2008.

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pick a stringer

  1. klippermate

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  2. gamma x-2

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  1. spectraflamed

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    Klippermate or gamma x-2 I am sure it has been asked before but I oculd not find a thread about it.
     
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  2. supermario343

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    go with the X-2
     
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  3. lethalfang

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    X-2 has ratcheting tensioner.
    Klippermate has better flying clamps.
     
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  4. Zhou

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    The Klippermate Clamps look like a lot more of a pain to use than the Gamma ones.
     
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  5. max

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    Actually, I have both, and the Klippermate are twice as nice! So it goes.
     
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  6. roger is the king

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    most friends/ppl prefer gamma over klip for technical and com. factors and needs
     
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  7. LanEvo

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    i picked x-2 because the gamma has the racheting system
     
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  8. Mansewerz

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    I have the same question. The Gamma is also about 100 dollars more than teh Klippermate, isn't it?

    And what is this ratcheting system?
     
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  9. tsmcauliffe

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    I would suggest neither. I just bought a Silent Partner Swing and I love it. It comes with a reel of string and has a full clutch. I've used all three types like the SP Swing the best.
     
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  10. max

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    That makes sense: I didn't know the SP Swing was still being manufactured. I'd go there.

    Don't oversell yourself on how fast the Gamma "clutch" goes; not that much of a speed improvement. One of the reasons I did NOT buy Gamma was because you could purchase replacement clutch heads. . . this said to me that they wore out or broke on occasion. I was concerned about the "diamond dust" wearing out. . . and this stuff does! My Gamma clamp is plastic, and the two surfaces don't exactly match; the magical diamond dust is losing its pixie juice!

    SP Swing sounds good all around.
     
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  11. Mansewerz

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    how much was it?
     
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  12. Mansewerz

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    I read about the SP Swing stringer.

    Here are some of issues though
    -Klippermate comes with a lifetime guarantee and 30 day moneyback guarantee
    -SP Swing never mentions a guarantee
    -SP Swing is 60 bucks more
    -Klippermate doesn't have a clutch system

    Now what exactly does a clutch system do and is it worth the extra money and no guarantee?
     
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  13. lethalfang

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    SP Swing is $200 including a reel of string. I had one before.
    It has a good clutch tensioner (same purpose as a ratchet, but quieter and better), and good flying clamps.
    Is it worth the extra money? Maybe. X-2 has crappy clamps and Klippermate has no clutch/ratchet, but SP Swing is $60 more expensive.
     
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  14. Mansewerz

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    Yea, but what does a clutch/ratchet do? And is there any warranty.
     
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  15. lethalfang

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    A ratchet/clutch allows the tensioner to move in only one direction, i.e., if the tension bar is below horizontal, you can use the clutch to adjust it without taking the string out of the tensioner.
    The warranty is either 6 month or 2 years. I don't remember, but you probably won't need it anyway.
     
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  16. Mansewerz

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    By the way, how long is the reel of string? I can get tecnifibre syn. gut for like 30 bucks for 660'.
     
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  17. Mansewerz

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    bump it up
     
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  18. Zhou

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    You don't have to bump a thread that you posted in just 2 hours ago.
    I would go with the X-2 personally.
     
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  19. Mansewerz

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    Oh my bad, i'm just anxious.
     
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  20. lethalfang

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    660' of their synthetic gut
     
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  21. Mansewerz

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    whoa, a 660' reel when you buy the SP swing. hmmm, i'm very tempted.
     
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  22. boyettrysis

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    since the clamps for the gamma x-2 are bad cant you buy a diiferent one. or are all clamps different?
     
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  23. max

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    You know, people always think the kicker in the deal is the free string. To me, that's not so big a thing. And Klippermate gives out free strings with theirs, for what it's worth.
     
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    I agree, the free string should not be a deciding factor in the purchase of a machine. Chances are the buyer doesn't use Gamma strings (as an example). Gamma uses it as a way to expose their products and get people to use them after trying. It's nice, but in my situation, wouldn't base a decision on a string package.
     
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  25. tsmcauliffe

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    the winning factor for me to buy the SP Swing was the full clutch. The Gamma has a ratcheting clutch and the Klippermate doesn't have a clutch at all. Also, of all the reviews that I read, it sounded like the flying clamps from SP were the best. Also my friend has a SP Swing that is 6 years old and he hasn't had to replace anything. Also the 6 point mounting system is really easy to set up and hold the racket really strongly. You should definatley go eighths SP Swing.
     
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  26. Cup8489

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    anyone have a link for this SP so i can check it out?

    or maybe i'll just google it.

    nvm, found it. a 6 point mount for 200 bucks?

    i admit, i'm surprised. but i saw the jazz, and now i am completely up in the air. anyone know anything about the jazz?
     
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  27. Spatula

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    google, silent partner and it's the first site that comes up.
     
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  28. Mansewerz

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    I know, i can get string for like 30 bucks. (660')

    Now, is it a pain to string with the Klippermate, or should it be good for a beginner like me? It's within my budget. Also, if I do maybe a couple requests from time to time for friends, will it do?

    And how is the Silent Partner customer service/warranty?
     
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  29. tsmcauliffe

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    Mansewerz, go to sptennis . com and it tells all about the Silent Partner warranty and guarantee.
     
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  30. spectraflamed

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    Wow the x-2 was way ahead and Klip has sort of caught up but now I am wondering about the Silent Partner. As a stringing newbie are the extra features of the SP worth it? I am not concerned about speed or doing hundreds of racquets I want something that is easy to use so I do not get frustrated and end up posting it on the for sale board in a month. thanks for all the help.
     
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  31. Mansewerz

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    I think i'll be getting the SP if any. Got a good warranty, 30 day money back guarantee if its not for me (i think that's what it means). And it's got a brake, 6 point mounting, and clutch. I've heard that a clutch system will save me from breaking the racquet in half out of aggravation!

    Thanks for the help. Any other suggestions?
     
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  32. WildVolley

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    I string on an SP Swing and it's a solid machine. Not perfect in all respects, but the clamps seem solid if they are properly adjusted.

    For those of you that string on a Klippermate, how do you drop to parallel without a clutch? I've never seen a video of someone stringing with a klippermate.
     
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  33. LanEvo

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    if u want good warranty get the ats super stringer, its the same thing as an x-2 but instead comes with a lifetime warranty
     
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  34. Mansewerz

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    Sweet. Is the clutch easy to use? And what are the negatives? Is it worth the 200 and how's the free string you get with it?

    Hmm, that's also got a nice price but no clutch.
     
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  35. Mansewerz

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    Wait, whats the difference between a clutch and a ratchet system? I noticed that the x-2 has a ratchet mechanism. In almerickso's video on youtube, he calls it a clutch.
     
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  36. WildVolley

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    The free string is fine, but nothing to get too excited about. It is some sort of synthetic gut. I sometimes use it in hybrids, to soften up poly mains.

    With the Swing, you wrap the string around the drum head and the weight causes the head to compress and grip the string. If you drop too far, which is normally what happens when I string, you hold the drum that has the string gripper with one hand and raise the weight with the other and drop it again until it is parallel. There is no ratcheting, as it seems completely smooth. I don't know if that is good or bad.

    My impression of the Swing is that the mounting system works well, and the machine is quite solid, but the mounting isn't particularly fast if you're stringing more than one model of racquet. The sort of "6-point" mount takes a little adjusting when you put in a different brand or size of racquet.

    The Swing holds the racquet face quite close to the bar over which it is mounted. This helps keep everything stiff, but it provide less room to string crosses in a single motion (which I'm not good at doing anyway) because the bar is in the middle. There's still enough room to do a push weave in one pass. Looking at the picture you can see this. So your tradeoff is less frame flex but less space under the string bed when stringing crosses.

    The flying clamps seem to be solid. They are adjustable with an included set of hex-wrenches. The only trick is adjusting them so they hold without slipping, but not so extremely tight that they damage the string.

    You can do a good job of stringing with a drop weight as long as your clamps are well adjusted and you're consistent in your technique. Especially with poly, I clamp outside the frame at the start so that I don't double pull any mains. This gives me much more string bed consistency.

    I don't have experience with the Gamma or Klipper, so take my experience for what it is worth. From what I've seen, the Gamma seems to have inferior clamps to the Swing, but I've never used them. The Gamma definitely holds the racquet higher from the bar.
     
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  37. Mansewerz

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    So wait, the difference between a clutch and a ratchet is the clicks it makes?
     
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  38. WildVolley

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    I think they are essentially the same thing. Just know that there is no ratcheting feeling or sound with the swing.

    I exaggerated the lack of space under the string bed with the Swing. While it is tight, you can do a push weave of crosses in one pass. I don't know what technique I was trying to do in the past. There is still probably less than 3" between the string bed and the bar that holds the racquet.
     
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  39. Mansewerz

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    I see. Hmm, right now it's between the ATS and SP swing. I could save around 70 bucks with the ats and I just need some reviews about it. However, the brake on the SP is tempting. Do you use the brake often, or is it mostly for 03 racquets?
     
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  40. skierpaul

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    I've been reading up on cost effective stringing machines as well. Now keep in mind that Eagnas doesn't have the best reputation, particularly with their electric stringers and their customer service, but some on here like their machines.

    These are more like the SP Swing / X-2, but with linear pull and a ratcheting clutch:

    http://www.eagnas.com/hawk20.html
    http://www.eagnas.com/hawk26.html

    This appears to be a straight knock off of the Alpha String Pal:

    http://www.eagnas.com/flex100.html

    I kind of like the design of the Sting Pal, from the looks of things appears to have quite a bit more room underneath to work with.
     
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  41. aussie

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    To use the Klippermate, you just feed the estimated amount of string between the 2 string gripper jaws. The jaws then lock onto the string as you move the tension bar clockwise. If the rod falls below horizontal, lift the rod a little, and feed a little more string between the jaws and lower the rod again. Generally the rod is then at horizontal. If the rod doesn't quite reach horizontal, lift the rod and release a little string through the gripper jaws, and lower the rod again. Pretty simple process and works as well as a clutch system.

    You get the hang of it fairly quickly. Yesterday I strung a Prince TT Scream OS in 50 minutes and I'm very, very pedantic with getting the tension rod to as close to perfectly horizontal as possible (not that you need to reach perfectly horizontal). If I was to string with the tension rod to be in the 1.5 inch range either above or below horizontal, I would take 15 minutes off my stringing time.

    In short, the Klippermate will do as good a job as the other entry level portable drop weights such as Gamma X-2, SP Swing etc. And don't get too fussed about the 2 point mounting system of the Klippermate - it works well, is very easy to quickly mount a frame and I"ve never had frame damage on a large variety of racquets I've strung. The Klippermate clamps, as many will testify, look agricultural, but do a damn good job of clamping strings.
     
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  42. TenniseaWilliams

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    I would think the clutch would be slightly more accurate, would be possible that perfectly horizontal could be between two of the ratchet teeth. This is probably a small issue.

    The lack of space would be more troubling to me personally. Especially on the last few crosses.

    And I do like the Klippermate clamps. Easy to use and to adjust. Just not very pretty or impressive.

    And there are some positive points for 2 point mounting, namely that it is much faster to setup for different racquets, and doesn't have the potential to block holes.
     
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  43. Mansewerz

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    I think i'll be going with the ATS super stringer
     
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  44. ARNICOLINI

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    I have the klippermate and its a solid stringer. Like the poster above said it gets to be pretty easy to adjust using the method he said. I would say that there is very little advantage to using a clutch once you get some experience on the Klippermate.

    90% of your speed will come from practice and even then it will be mostly from weaving your crosses, being familiar with the process and the string pattern of the racket.

    Do yourself a huge favor and do not worry about speed for 6 months but instead focus on technique and quality! Speed will only come with alot of practice. I only string my own rackets and I have had a stringer for about a year and I am at about 55 min a racket, I am not trying to break any speed records and my weaving technique is not built for speed.

    I purchased the stringer to save $ and to be able to experiment with alot of different strings and tensions. Also my schedule makes it hard to get to a tennis shop during their normal hours.

    Go for the Klippermate!
     
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  45. spectraflamed

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    I am going to go with the x-2 however it seems the weak point is the clamps. Would be wise to buy different clamps (Kilp sound like the best)? Can I use Klip clamps on a Gamma? Sorry if the questions are stupid but I am getting amped to get this thing in the next week or 2.
     
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  46. Mansewerz

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    I ordered an ATS super stringer today.
     
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    Congratz on your choice. Happy stringing!
     
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  48. Mansewerz

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    Thanks, but it may have been a bad idea. I'm ready to run through the wall cuz i'm so anxious to get it!!!!!!
     
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  49. ARNICOLINI

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    You certainly could order the clamps from Klipper. Yes you can use the klipper clamps with the X-2.
     
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  50. spectraflamed

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    Well I got my stringer I was ready to buy the x-2 when I came across a hardly used SP Swing for a lot less than the x-2. Thanks everyone for the advice even though my thread got sort of hijacked by another member.
     
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