Which current players on tour can average well over 100 mph on 2nd serves?

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  1. Sid_Vicious

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    I was checking out some statistics from Wimbledon 2003. Mark Philippoussis was averaging 108 mph on his second serves the whole tournament. You also had Sampras serving 110 mph 2nds on average against Federer.

    Which current pros go for that much on 2nds?
     
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  2. Smasher08

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    Rumour has it, that Milos guy serves kinda hard. :)
     
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    I recall that Sampras averaged 115mph on second serves in his 2001 US Open no-breaks QF victory over Agassi. Then he averaged 85mph against Hewitt in the final. I suspect it had something to do with the back-to-back SF-F format. If it weren't for that, I think Sampras probably would have shown up with his full-strenght 2nd serve and handled Hewitt no problem.
     
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    When Stanislas Wawrinka is in teh zone he can serve around 160-180kmh on his second serve, as we saw at the Aus open last month against Djokovic his second serve was around 165kmh-180kmh for about the first 2 sets.

    Satin had a huge second serve, Roddick and Milos too
     
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    Sampras used to average around 115-120 MPH on second serve with the old radar gun with his old Wison Pro Staff...
     
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    karlovic does always serve over 100 with the second. Not sure about isner.
     
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    lol, wut ? sampras avged 103 mph on his 2nd serve vs hewitt, not 85 mph...hewitt was in the zone in the SF and the final and he handled sampras easily ... it was sampras' tough draw (rafter, agassi & safin ) that made him vulnerable ...

    it didn't have that much to do with the SF and F on consecutive days ( he had only a ~2 hr match vs safin in the SF )

    even with an easier draw for sampras, it'd have been closer, but hewitt would still have beaten him ....

    and if anything the back-to-back SF-F format helped sampras in 2002 when the SF vs hewitt tired agassi ...
     
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    Raonic, Isner, Anderson and Karlovic are almost a given.

    Chardy surprisingly averages over 100mph quite often.

    Harrison, Dimitrov, Berdych and Federer hit second serves pretty fast, pretty sure they've averaged over 100mph on a few occasions.

    Roddick if you count players that are still ranked.

    Monfils on his crazy double-faulting spree at the Australian Open got close, averaging 98mph against Lu.
     
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    No he didn't, that was his 1st serve LOL.
     
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    no, he didn't, that was in 2000 when he beat hewitt in straights


    vs hewitt 2001 he was 110 mph on 1st and 95 mph on 2nd


    compare that with previous 3 rounds

    vs rafter 120 on 1st, 103 on 2nd
    vs agassi 115 on 1st, 105 on 2nd
    vs safin 116 on 1st, 102 on 2nd

    vs hewitt in 2000 118 on 1st, 103 on 2nd

    huge drop in speed for 2001 final

    i think this clearly shows that sampras was dead tired in 2001 F - add hewitt's in the zone play and you get double breadstick

    put sampras from 2000 sf against 2001 hewitt and it would be close (say, 60-40 that hewitt wins, but in a competitive match)
     
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    what? he averaged 100-110mph most of the time, and that was at the end of his career

    he used heavy kickers much more than many seem to remember during his prime, except in wimbledon... he would save big 2nd serves for certain moments, instead of serving them all the time
     
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    yeah, my bad; I checked the wrong page ....

    with an easier draw for sampras, of course it'd be more competitive ...
     
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    yes, this ... he went for it on the serve quite a bit more at the end of his career ....
     
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    i remember in the 04 or 05 wimbledon final between Federer and Roddick, Roddick was averaging 135mph on first and 125mph on second.
     
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    Yes, I know many pros who average close to or a little over a 100 mph sometimes, but that is not what I'm talking about.I'm talking well over a 100 mph. Like over 105 mph regularly. Federer was serving 102 mph in one match at Wimbledon last year. Mark Philippoussis hit at least 108 mph on average in every match he played (his top was 110 mph).
     
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    Wesley Moodie averaged well over 100 mph. 110 was not unheard of, and he's averaged 115 in several matches.

    Feliciano Lopez tends to be around the 103-105 mark quite often. Same with Isner and Raonic. Llodra as well.
     
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    Then basically Isner or Raonic. Throw in Gulbis as well, I missed him in my first post but he really goes for big second serves.

    Of recently retired players, perhaps Taylor Dent and Joachim Johansson. In this article Joachim talks about hitting second serves around the 200kmh (124 mph) mark.
     
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    Good stuff.

    I did some more research. Andy Roddick is the man.

    His 2nd serve average at Wimbledon 2004: 110 mph. He was serving 112 and 113 in the SF and QF, respectively.

    And Johansson hit a 130 mph second serve against Roddick in their 2004 USO match. Both of them had similar averages, but Johansson went for more. Although Roddick hit a 122 mph second serve also.
     
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    Roddick doesn't even hit second serve flat. He hits heavy kickers all the time. It can't be over 110 mph, let alone 125, lol.
     
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    Johansson was a guy who could fire a fault at 150 mph and then thunder in a second serve at 140. He actually did that in a Davis Cup match against Argentina (226 km/h against Schwank I believe). I wonder what went through his mind when he stepped up. Was it "I have an excellent first serve and I missed it, why not hit another one?" I have no idea. But I've never seen anyone consistently hit second serves as fast as Johansson. Scary is what it was. Would definitely call him one of the biggest hitters ever.
     
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    I was just checking at this year's AO, and Raoic's 2nd serve average speed against Kohlschreiber was 169kmph which is around 110 mph.

    In davic cup last year and this year, Raonic was hitting a 122 mph 2nd serve on average if that helps..
     
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    Roddick used to consistently average around 105-110 on his 2nd serves. Very impressive considering he also rarely double faulted.
     
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    Yeah, that is why he was serving up to 115-120 mph and higher on second serves regularly in his career. Do you ever miss a chance to show off your utter ignorance?
     
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    I've noticed that players generally clock higher second serve speeds than normal at Wimbledon.

    Not sure whether the guns are juiced or if it's a deliberate strategy by the players.
     
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