Which is the best Empire?

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  1. Trinity

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    Which is / was the most powerful or successful empire? History is no barrier - make your choice, be it Roman Empire, British Empire, Ancient Greece, or the current US Empire.

    I'm biased and am going to go for the British Empire...
     
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    Egypt and Babilonia. Roman is up there too, but I'll go with Egypt, and Babilonia as a close 2nd.
     
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  3. Shabazza

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    In termes of longevity it's Egypt and China.
     
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    RULE BRITANIA! Obviously the British empire, think of the size of us (Britain) and then think of the % of the world under British rule.Staggering
     
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    The Galactic Empire! The Emperor with Darth Vader on his side ruled with an iron fist!
     
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  6. Trinity

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    I wondered how many posts it woud be before someone mentioned that. Still, can't argue with it :)
     
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  7. Trinity

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    Are you sure? The Egyptian empire didn't have nearly the sheer grip on the world that the British did.
     
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  8. tricky

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    What about the Borg? You will be assimilated, recognize!!
     
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  9. Trinity

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    Hey, the Borg couldn't even hold onto Jean-Luc for more than a few hours :)
     
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  10. Shabazza

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    They did in their part of the world (given that the known world was merely 1/3 as big is it is now).

    My point of longevity stands, though. 2000 and nearly 3000 years respectively of unchallenged dominance during their time will never happen again.

    You can't compare ancient empires with industrial empires anyway. 3 2/3 continents weren't even discovered back then.
     
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  11. 10sfreak

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    I'd have to go with the British Empire. Not only did Britain rule an empire many times her size, but didn't herself crumble when her empire crumbled. Plus, the British Empire produced the Greatest Nation the world has ever known - The United States of America!
     
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    The holy roman empire, by Barbarossa. The ATP empire, by Federer...
     
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    What exactly is the American empire? USA, Iraq, ect?
     
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    Biggest empire goes to the Mongol Empire. Best empire goes to the Klingons . . .
     
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    I'll Say the Romans/British/US/BORG Because all 4 of those cultures were/are infectious. They conquer with swords then occupy with culture. I mean back in the day it was cool to be roman. You could take nice baths, drink wine and be on a winning team. It's hard to deny the impact of British imperialism, and culture. Just look at all the countries that play cricket ;-)

    The US/Western culture we have it perfected we don't even have to use the sword most of the time. We have MTV, Baywatch, and CocaCola. The world doesn't have a chance. Who cares about borders when every country basically looks, and act the same.

    One world government is coming baby. Can you say Euro. Or international banking consolidation.
     
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  16. kevhen

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    British Empire spread English to most of the world during industrial revolution.

    American empire continued what British empire started and took us into technological information age.

    Chinese empire has lasted the longest thanks to physical mountain and ocean barriers and a traditional culture.

    Roman empire was rather impressive for it's time and brought us into a more modern age.

    Hard to say which one wins but English is spoken language of the business world but Chinese are most populous and may eventually win this war of empires as they buy up America while we spend lavishly.
     
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    Well if you are using longevity as your criteria- Imperial China goes back 5,000 years and lasted until the early 20th century.
     
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    If we are still around I GUARANTEE Chinese... Mandarin ;-) will be the dominant language. The culture will be some mix of east/west. Hope I'm still around it's going to be interesting.
     
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    It's a close call between Roman Empire and the British Empire.

    Both have achieved a level of technology and/or civil order way ahead of their rivals, and hence dominated the known world at their times.

    Especially the British, who had guns, cannons, and blue water ships, when most of the worlds were fighting with sticks and stones.

    The Greeks were also very advanced, but they were never united for a long period of time because not one Greek city-state could dominate Greece.
     
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  20. lethalfang

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    Going from merely a collection of 13 puny colonies to "sea to shining sea," plus Hawaii and Guam, was an imperial expansion.
     
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    Manifest destiny Baby! I think people just don't like the word empire.
     
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    Good old Britain of course! :]
     
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    The Byzantine empire :eek:
     
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    Byzantine Empire lasted over 1000 years. It was a very open-minded, educated, wealthy, militarily disciplined empire at its peak. It actually got WEALTHIER after losing territory to Mohammed's followers. It kept the seas free of pirates, trade blossomed throughout Europe and the Middle East, and it helped keep Islam from spreading into Europe, while influencing the Slavs to convert to Christianity.
     
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    Just wait until America gobbles up Mexico and Canada. That will address a large part of the illegal immigration problem....HAHAHA
     
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  26. lethalfang

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    Byzantine is Eastern Roman Empire. They're Romans.
     
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  27. OrangeOne

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    Richard Ings was a great one in the early 1990s, seemed very fair to all players, certainly at the Australian Open anyways.

    :)
     
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    It's got to be Babylonia.... Look how many players use their product nowadays!
     
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    Surprised I am the first to mention the Ottoman Empire. They were very impressive and controlled a vast amount of land for a good deal of time.

    I am a history major but I am only particularly familiar with Europe so I would have to go with either the Roman Empire or the British Empire. The British Empire is particularly impressive as Britian is so small and they managed to have the largest Empire from what I know and at it's peak was something like 25% of the earth's surface.
     
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  30. jmsx521

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    What about The Corporate Empire? I think that one is the biggest & most powerful!
     
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  32. AM28143

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    Roman or British Empire, take your pick.
     
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    I'm fascinated by the longevity of Chinese empire.
    But it seems to me Roman empire has had far more influence on the culture of many countries, starting from essential aspects like language (even northen europe ones) and laws
     
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    Romans copied everything from the Greeks then change the philosophy that permeated even in todays superpowers: teaching others what truly is to be civilized like is their duty or something (rather then truthfully declaring we need your resources and we don't give a f%^k about you).

    The only latin languages are french, spanish, portughese, romanian, italian, romansh (romansh is not an offical language I think). Look at the slavs I think it had much more influence in language.
     
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  35. Ross K

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    From the ancient world, the Egyptians. From the modern, the British. Debate closed!
     
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  36. ShiroRm

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    English has more latin originated words that that it could seem. For example, do you know the word "forum"? ;-)

    If Romans copied all from greeks, why did they end up with something new?
    They managed to integrate conquered people using laws and citizenship, so that even a spanish, african or german man could become emperor: it wasn't a mere steal of resources. A part from roads, acqueducts, sewers and thermal baths, that was true civilization.
    That wasn't generally possible in other empires
     
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  37. malakas

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    not exactly.Byzantine Empire was the succesor of the old Roman Empire-and the better half that was left.Byzantines called of course themselves all till 1453 Romans but Byzantine Empire is distinct from the old Roman one.But of course if you take them as one,then they are imo the better.

    heh do you know who the succesor of the Byzantine Empire is?;p
     
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    English is the more latinised germanic language,and French the most germanisied latin one.

    We call that a double-edge domination.Romans were dominated culturally and Greeks physically.I think also a Latin poet said that..?
     
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    Isn't Romania what's left of the Byzantine ? I think that's what I remembered.
    In my opinion, the "old" Roman Empire, the one between Caesar and Constantine, is much more powerful than the Byzantine.
     
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  40. malakas

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    romania?ah no.After the Byzantine Empire was conquered and in its ashes the Ottoman was established,the legal and "historic" succesor was the Russian Empire.That's why Moscow's embleem was the two headed eagle,just like Rome's and Constantinople's.;) Three powerful empires-one embleem.

    The "old" one was of almost all europe but the byzantine was all the way form Syria lebanon and Egypt to Italy and up to russia-IF I remember correctly.Of course without the old,there can't be the new.The empires excelled at different areas of civilization also.
     
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  41. ShiroRm

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    Yes, it was Horace. He said: "Graecia capta ferum victorem cepit et artes intulit agresti Latio", id est (latin again) "conquered Greece conquered her ferocius conqueror in turn and gave fine arts to agricultural Latium (Rome's region)".

    It's true, but Romans developed something Greeks never had: a refined legal system, essential in order to govern different peoples and integrate them in their state effectively.
    Greeks were proud of their respective little cities instead, holding off not only strangers ("oi Barbaroi", id est people not speaking Greek), but even other Greeks coming from different cities.


    Hem, the original/old Roman empire wasn't the largest ever. However, this pic shows its maximum extension:

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  42. slice bh compliment

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    Whoever wins this, it is a dubious distinction if you really think about it.

    Oh, and I think I might be the only one who laughed at the Richard Ings joke. Well done.

    I was also thinking of poor old Frank Hammond, who did one of my matches when I was a young player. He also chaired the legendary Mac/Nasty debacle at Flushing Meadow.
     
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    Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader's empire was the most successful.

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  44. jmsx521

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    I agree with Rickson: Vader can destroy all other empires together with only one powerful laser beam.... You can ask Princess Leia if you don't believe: She'll confirm... she had to witness it with her own eyes!
     
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    Yes,but Solon and Drakon had already made famous legal systems before them too.:p
    anyway,I don't think the best empire is even the largest to be honest.The best empire would be the one that managed to remain into the mind of ppl for thousands of year,a craddle of civilization where ppl could live in peace.If that's not an oxymoron.
     
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    They made legal systems good for small cities only.
    However, have you even heard of Zaleucus (Zaleukos)? :)

    Of course, I agree with you
     
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    I agree. The "most successful" empire should be the most historically influential and thus the most relevant, as well as being the dominant power, e.g. military, economic, as well as cultural power, during their times.
    That's why I picked Rome and Great Britain.
     
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    "Which is the best Empire?" is a difficult question to answer. Is the best empire the most powerful? Is the best empire the most technologically advanced? Or is the best empire the kindest to its citizens? There are many ways to look at. Also, one has to conisder the time frame. Compared to Britian or America, Rome was small, but it was very large for its time period. So, I think the question is impossible to answer.
     
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    as usual, we're expressing opinions.

    the most important thing seems to me the tendence to indicate the reasons why we have our respective ones, in order to give others elements to think about and reply accordingly.
    statements like "the best is X. Period" seem to me meaningless

    About Britain, I like two things made there the most (a part from literature): Magna Charta (and the Habeas corpus) and Parliamentary system.
    But they aren't related to the Empire probably
     
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    Thanks - I'm glad someone did :)

    OO.
    ....wishing I'd had a match umpired by, well, anyone other than maybe a team-mate many moons ago? :)
     
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