Which Knots?

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by men8ifr, May 2, 2014.

  1. men8ifr

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    Just finished my first string job yesterday.

    I used the TW youtube video. It uses 2x half hitches for the mains and some sort of double loop knot I couldn't do for the crosses so I had to use 2x half hitches again.

    I'm guessing the double loop knot is better than half hitches? If so should I use it to tie the mains off as well?

    If any-one has a link to a diagram of the knot(s) I should learn that would be useful - I think a diagram would be better than a video.
     
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  2. Irvin

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  3. men8ifr

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    Good video

    Good video but which knots are recommended and where?
     
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  4. Irvin

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    I now use the Parnell knot everywhere
     
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  5. JasperJ

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    Yep, Parnell knot for everything here aswell.
     
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    I like the Parnell knot as well, but I really like the Wilson knot too and I would use the Wilson knot, but it's a rather ugly knot when taught.

    I do use it though because of the small real estate it uses for tight enclosures.
     
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  7. gamerluke

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    Love that video, Irvin. Just a quick suggestion: you might want to note the different knots in the description and link to the specific times in the video. I went back to learn how to do the Parnell and I either have to watch the video straight through or skip around and hope i find the part where you're talking about it.

    Alternatively, you could add annotations to the video that has the name of the knot currently being shown.

    Just some thoughts. Now off to learn the Parnell!
     
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  10. gamerluke

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    Sweet, I'd better get going!

    Back on topic, a couple people said "parnell everywhere". Does this mean starting AND tie-off? I'd assume there are some fringe cases where you'd use a smaller or larger knot, but in general is Parnell generally used for everything?

    I haven't started stringing yet (machine on the way) but I'm going to need to know this next week!
     
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  11. jim e

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    The Parnell knot is a finishing knot. You use a bulkier knot if you start cross strings and want to pull against that knot.
    Years ago (1968 ) , I was taught the now called parnell knot and used that as a starting and finishing knot as I was taught that knot by an old timer that taught me to string, but that was in the wooden racquet era and that parnell Knot worked fine for starting or finishing, but with todays racquets you are best to use a finishing knot just for a finishing knot only, so not to pull knot through grommet.
     
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  12. idono1301

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    Parnell is a type of finishing knot, so no don't use it for starting.

    As many people will recommend, you might want to look into getting a starting clamp. I strung my first few thinking I could get by without it, but it's much more convenient with one. You can use it for starting mains and crosses, and for tightening knots. Another use is if you ever have too little string to reach the tensioner *knock on wood*

    Good luck with stringing, I just started very recently also, it feels very rewarding lol.

    EDIT: Darn jim, you're fast haha
     
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  13. zapvor

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    you guys need to post your set ups!
     
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  14. idono1301

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    Okay, will do next time I string up a racket. Probably next weekend.

    It's just a lowly progression 2 dropweight haha, not a fancy biardo or anything lol
     
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  15. Irvin

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    The Parnell knot is extremely similar to the Wilson knot and the VS Starting knot. If the VS Starting knot is used for starting so can the other two. The problem is all three of those knot are less bulkier than the starting knot and can pull into the grommet on some frames and that is bad.
     
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  16. idono1301

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    Hi Irvin,

    That's interesting, so when using a starting knot, is tension pulled on the first cross, and thus that knot directly? I haven't really read up on doing crosses with those knots since I've only been doing PST's so far.
     
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  17. GlenK

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    I use the Wilson pro-knot everywhere unless the grommets are worn and stretched out. If that's the case it's possible the knot pulls into the grommet. In those cases I'll use a bigger knot.

    I like the Wilson knot because it keeps me on top of the string bed more, and when tied properly imo it looks better.
     
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    I'm now using the Pro Knot. I swapped over during the WTA event I strung for. I found the Pro Knot worked easier in tighter spots than any other knot, so I just started using it.
     
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  19. Squidward

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    Wilson Pro knot for pretty much all the time. Easy,Fast, Secure.
     
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    Wilson Pro Knot is the one I use the most. I use a starting clamp for my crosses and do not use starting knots either.
     
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  21. bluegrass_stringer

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    Parnell knot can be too big in some cases. I like every knot to be the same.
     
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  22. Cup8489

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    Sorry for temporary thread hijack.. but there's a particular starting knot that I've seen that results in 3 string tails. I believe I used it the first time i was ever shown how to string, but never used it again. I wish I could show a picture, but I recall that when tying the knot, a small loop was left, and this was cut along with the excess strand of string, resulting in 3 tails.

    Could anyone tell me what it is?
     
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  24. GlenK

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    ^^Yea, I've actually done that. One of my customers has a Pure Drive that has grommets that are flared so much that any knot was pulling into the hole.

    This trick did work but it doesn't look good at all. The customer didn't care and loved it... ya just never know what they'll like!!
     
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  25. Irvin

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    Another option that looks better but does the same thing is to run the tag end under the knot so there is only one end. Tit whatever knot you like then snug up the tag end. It takes a longer piece of string at the end though.
     
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  26. Cup8489

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  27. Mementi

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    Irvin, why did you change? I thought you always used the Wilson Pro knot because it's easier on tight places. I did change from the Parnell knot to the Wilson Pro knot because of the great teaching videos you provided.
     
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  28. Irvin

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    I think the Parnell knot holds the tag end just a little better and the knot is a bit larger. I too thought the Parnell would be hard it tight places but it isn't. The Pro knot is easier to tie though got to give it that. I like both knots.
     
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  29. 7zero

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    Starting crosses with that two loops around bulkier knot version which has tail close to frame. Tie off pro knot. But who I am to teach anyone with my three string jobs done? :)
     
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  30. bluegrass_stringer

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    I use the Yonex knot. Best knot there is.
     
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  31. LiquidWhip

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    Wilson Pro knot for me. Simple and elegant.
     
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