Which of the "Generation Suck" gals will win a slam?

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From USO 2011 to USO 2014, which of these '88-'91 girls win a major?

  1. Wozniacki

    41.1%
  2. Azarenka

    37.5%
  3. Kvitova

    53.6%
  4. Lisicki

    24.1%
  5. Goerges

    16.1%
  6. Wickmayer

    1.8%
  7. Pavlyuchenkova

    6.3%
  8. Kleybanova

    1.8%
  9. Radwanska

    12.5%
  10. Other

    7.1%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. li0scc0

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    You just stated Serena would win 25+. Somebody that dominant should, at least, be able to get to the Semifinals or Finals against just a weak field even without training.
     
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  2. li0scc0

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    Of course, if you track the results, Sharapova has to be considered the favorite given her dominant performances up to now.

    Based on how they have played up to now...

    Favorite: Sharapova
    Then Kvitova
    Then Azarenka
    Then Lisicki
     
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  3. dominikk1985

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    I would not say coming around. I would rather say they can't defend themselves against winning anymore because the old players die from being too old:D.

    I can't believe those players let a 30yo schiavonne win a slam who couldn't do anything in her supposed prime years (unlike men who are usually strongest in their mid to late 20s women peak in their early 20s).
     
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  4. li0scc0

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    Oh look, and no surprise, the way they have played is the way today's matches went. Sharapova (best performance so far at the tourney) won easily over Lisicki (4th best), while Kvitova (2nd best) defeated Azarenka (3rd best) in an outstanding high-quality match.
     
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  5. 1970CRBase

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    Lisicki's schedule didn't help. These days you can be a good doubles player or a good singles player, you can't be both in slams, and if she played both, it says she didn't come in to this Wimbledon believing she could win the tournament. If she really thought doubles could replace regular practice, she's found out it doesn't work.

    In her physical performance I noticed Lisicki started out the tournament as if she was well powered up, but as the rounds progressed, her energy level tapered off and she got more and more sluggish in her overall play each match she played of which in themselves she would tend to have a lot of power in the first few games, start off with a roar and boom, loping and prowling around the court like a predator, but then her power level falls off very quickly and precipitously and she is very soon frankly struggling to move.

    Actually, it wasn't that different from two years ago when she reached the quarterfinals of Wimbledon losing to Safina in a poor match but beating Woz and Kuzzy along the way, her physical level seems to get worse and worse as a tournament goes on. Despite all her outstanding weapons, that will never win her a slam over two weeks. However, if she doesn't maximise what she's got and stays around top 50 caliber, she will always be a landmine in the first week of a slam for top seeds, but a complete pushover by the second.

    Lisicki's got to make a plan for and focus all her determination and effort into her singles. I will give Sabine one year to get a good coach and work out all her fitness/diet issues. She is either a top 50 level player who happened to play the match of her whole career in beating Li Na in the second round, which is what carried her all the way to the Wimbledon semifinal, and she will never reach such a height again; or she is a top 5 level player who has only given a glimpse of her potential but is satisfied to be where she already is in her career, an occasional dangerous floater in majors able to upset a seeded player in an early round on her ultra best day, which might be once every 4 years....
     
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  6. soyizgood

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    This thread didn't need to wait too long for an answer. GO KVITOVA!
     
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  7. jamesblakefan#1

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    She was already as high as 22 before her injuries, so she should be back there at worse by this time next year, maybe even by the end of this year. She moves up to top 30 after Wimbledon. She's not just a dangerous floater player, she's easily top 20 if she remains healthy, which has been the issue throughout her career.

    Kvitova, Lisicki, Azarenka - good showing for the young girls this Wimby...except for the red headed stepchild (Woz)
     
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    Kvitova certainly changed my mind; last year and into this year's Wimbledon, she never appeared as comfortable around the court until the 2011 semis. Earlier, she appeared too content to trade thoughtless blasts from the baseline, but she must have recalled who her idol was in her last two matches, as she really opened her toolbox.

    Now, i'm not going to say she's on her way to GOAT-hood or Martina levels of success on grass, but she's the far-and-away the best of this "Generation Suck" which--naturally--turns the attention back to the crahsed and burned Wozniacki, who is one major away from ending her "number one" year completely in the negative column where majors are concerned.

    What's the excuse for her now?
     
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  10. NadalAgassi

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    I have always said Kvitova is way better than Wozniacki. Kvitova will be the leading player of this generation. And with Azarenka, Lisicki, and possibly Pavly showing progress Woz and her pusher game fall further into the background, even once all the vets are retired. There are now 3 or 4 players from Wozniacki's generation all who will likely be better than her in the long run, barring injuries. And players of future generations will likely be better than her too.
     
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    Is Woz the only player to lose before the QF in consective slams twice whilst ranked no 1?
     
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    I don't think there's anything "Suck" about Petra Kvitova.
     
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    Hmm, why does it always seem that the players who are "pushers" or whose game is based around defense seem to mature and have success on the tour earlier than those whose games are more aggressive?

    Im thinking of Hengis and her two year rule before the Davenports, Williamses and Capriati's blasted her into retirement.

    Im thinking of Hewitt and his 2 year reign at number one before being challenged by Roddick..and before they all succumbed to Federer.

    Nadal, who say what you want, his game is founded on defense first.And when all else is failing him, he relies on his defense to see hi through. Murray as well matured into a top 10 player fairly quickly. And while Djoker seems to be on the upswing, I cant say his game is aggressive like Federer's. More like he has found a proper balance between defense and aggressive play.

    So now it seems that while Wozniacki was quick out of hte gate, she will be surpassed by Kvitova, Lisicki and possibly Azarenka, Petkovic and Goeges.

    Either way you slice it..the germans have a stacked Fed Cup squad.
     
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  14. 1970CRBase

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    I am neutral on Kitty so I will say 3-4 slams almost absolute; 5-10 depends entirely on how her body holds up over the long run. you have to be concerned about these tall and skinny girls (she is at least 6'2'' standing next to Sharapova) and injuries. Once they start having to compensate and adjust for these, their game suffers likewise and they start making loads and loads of errors and people automatically yell headcase. However, she made her break thru when she is several years older than somebody like Demetieva or Sharapova and she may be much more physically mature to handle the wear and tear of the tour at the top echelon instead of a young teenager still growing into her body.

    What impressed me was her mentality, I thought she might not be able to handle the occasion if she made some mistakes on those whiplash lightning bolts she was striking from the baseline, but as it turned out, Kitty just shrugged off every little stumble as irrelevant to her in her grand march forwards - and that is why they stayed little and not big.

    Mentality wise, she reminds me somehow of - Pete. She doesn't look back.

    The number one spot is an odd thing these days. On the mens side, we don't lack depth so much as width in the sense of a lack of really unique surface specialists. Everybody does more or less the same thing. Not their fault, they can only deal with the conditions other people manipulate. On the womens side, the same but in effect a two tier system; the best play their best for the slams, next we have the best of the second best. In my view, the real best five womens players in the world now are 1 Kitty, 2 Li, 3 Kim 4 Maria 5 Francesca; and then everybody else. That's the reality of it.
     
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    I wonder if I should a poll for which of these girls win a slam first.
     
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    Kvitova barely has any points to defend for the rest of the year, so if anyone has a shot of taking #1 from Wozniacki, it's her.
     
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    Poll added.
     
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  18. MotherMarjorie

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    OMG.

    What a horrible photo. Braces much?

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  19. MotherMarjorie

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    Tick Tock.

    Tick Tock.

    The clock past 30, and we all know how productive the 30's are for professional tennis players, you betcha!

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    If the Greatest all-time players of the WTA weren't winning "alot" of slams in their 30's historically, an overweight Serena Williams will not. And don't start that ridiculous, "but only Serena can do it."

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  21. NadalAgassi

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    Martina, Chris, and Court all won multiple slams in their 30s. And the reason they didnt win many more is there was another all time great coming up and overtaking them at that point. For Court it was Evert. For Martina and Chris it was Steffi Graf.

    The reason Serena has a good chance to win slams into her 30s is not only due to her, but due to the very weak womens field. Mind you maybe with up and comers like Kvitova finally starting to come around the WTA is turning the page again. We shall see.
     
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    It is probably because most juniors who are successful base their games on being more consistent than their opponents. This tactic gave them success and confidence which carried over to the pro ranks. Eventually, players who can combine great defense with offensive fire power will usually beome the great ones at the professional level.
     
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    Serena Williams is not the caliber of tennis champion that Martina, Chris and Margaret were. It is historically incorrect to compare Serena Williams with Martina, Chris, Margaret, Stefanie. She should never be discussed in the same sentence as the true greats of the sport.

    Besides, Chris, Martina, Margaret and Stefanie didn't have weight problems in their 30's.

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    Wozniacki acts like an appearance money princess. All about the money and being a paper #1. At least with Jankovic and Safina you could tell they were determined to prove their critics wrong. Wozniacki doesn't seem to care except for all the appearance fees she gets.

    Does she need to be a ball basher? No. But she needs to think things out on her own. She's failed to do that time after time. The only area of her game that seems to have improved is her willingness to come to the net more. Even then her volleys are so-so at best. Retrievers rarely come out on top in majors. Sanchez-Vicario stands out in that category and even then she got humbled countless times by Graf, Seles, and the Williams'.

    I voted that Woz will win a major in the next 2 years, but it would not surprise me if she fails to win one. Hitters like Kvitova, Azarenka, Lisicki, Goerges, Pavlyuchenkova are only going to get better with their strokes/movement/tactics. Wozniacki can't seem to find an area to improve on despite being the least skilled/feared of any #1 player.
     
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  25. boredone3456

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    As much as I wish Wozniacki could win a major or at least make another final just to make her being number #1 more believable I have to give her credit for the most part she is the most dominant non slam player on the tour at the moment. For all the talk about how a slam winner should be number 1 not one of the slam winners of late has been able to earn enough points outside of the them to actually catch and overtake or look like they really could have the consistency to. Clijsters probably could have had she not gotten hurt and maybe Kvitova could since she has next to nothing pointwise to defend and Woz has a motherload of them to hold onto...but we'll see. Sure you can bash her for being number 1 but seeing as no one at the moment has been able to have any kind of consisten momentum to take it from her its not entirely her fault....
     
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    I've been a critic of Wozniacki's game for over two years. At the same time, I've even defended her on a few occasions. On the WWWH thread, I posted her 2010 and 2011 slam results. Not befitting of a soon-to-be and eventual #1:

    2010:
    AO - 4th round
    FO - QF
    Wimby - 4th round
    USO - SF
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    1960pts

    2011:
    AO - SF
    FO - 3rd round
    Wimby - 4th round
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    1340 pts

    Try duplicating those results on the ATP and see if you'll be anywhere near top 5.

    For all the talk about her being consistent, there is a striking coincidence between her results in non-slams and the fact she relies on daddy to coach her in those events. She calls him for advice every set whether she's up or down. You don't see Serena/Venus/Clijsters/Li/Schiavone using on-court coaching much or at all. On-court coaching is Wozniacki's security blanket. And that's proven to be her kryptonite when playing at the majors where she can't get that help. She doesn't think for herself. But because she plays 20+ events a year she can pile up most of her points from PM/P5/Premier events.

    Just looking at the points she gets from the majors you can see why many folks laugh at the notion of Wozniacki being the "best" player in the world. Wozniacki only has earned 1340 pts from the 3 majors this year. Li alone has 3560 from those same 3 events. Compare Wozniacki to Djokovic who has 4720 points from those events.

    Wozniacki may figure things out in time, but her slam results since her USO 2009 final are laughable for someone ranked #1. That also just adds fuel to the fire that the WTA is full of inconsistent players while relying on the oft-injured, part-time tour elders to keep it relevant. Unless her mindset and focus changes, her window for winning a major will be relatively short.
     
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  27. jamesblakefan#1

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    Anywhere near the top 5? OK....

    Soderling has QF, QF, 4R, 3R and is 5th.
    Ferrer has SF, 4R, 4R, 4R and is 6th.
    Monfils has QF, QF, 3R, 3R and is 7th.
    Fish has QF, 4R, 3R, 2r and is 8th.
    Berdych has QF, 4R, 1R, 1R and is 9th.
    Roddick has 4R, 3R, 2R, DNP and is 10th.

    ATP isn't that strong either once you get past the top 4.

    Woz is still a top 5 level player, but not what you usually see from #1.
     
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  28. TMF

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    This is not a good post.

    Serena was stuck at 13 slams for a year and soon will turn 30. The chance for her to even reach 25 major finals is out of the question. Come on!

    This is even worse than predicting Serena will end up with 20 slams by the end of 2013.
     
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  29. boredone3456

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    Hence why I said the Best Non Slam player...outside the slams she stomps to titles like its nothing. She may BOMB at majors, but look number of titles outside them she has in the last year...after Wimbledon last year she only lost like 2 matches...the sad thing is they were at the 2 biggest post Wimbledon events: The US Open and YEC. Li may have a ton of points from the first 3 majors..but outside of the majors apart from Sydney she hasn't done much this year, she lost 5 matches in a row or something after the Australian..but she is still one of the best big moment players on the tour to be sure..but its still not impressive to have a 5 match losing streak between a slam final and a slam victory....

    As for the coaching point..sure it may cast a shadow on her results but at the end of the day she is still winning titles. You may not see any of the players you mentioned using the on court coaching, but apart from Clijsters really you also don't see them winning any titles really outside of the slams. Schiavone hasn't even been in a final, apart from the 2 French Opens, since her Barcelona title...not all that great.

    The slam winners of the last few years for the most part have not been able to stay number 1 for long periods of time because they don't do much outside the Slams to help their causes. Schaivone didn't make a single final after her French Open Victory and was 3-6 between the French and US Opens last year. Even before Serena's foot injury and major health scare she hadn't won a non slam title other than the 2009 YEC since Miami in 2007. Clijsters has played a very limited schedule since her comeback and then she got hurt and pulled out of Wimbledon and made the 2nd round of the French...so really...who else is there that really has the total consistency, both at the majors and outside them, to be number one? right now...nobody
     
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    Wozniacki does what is required to be #1. I don't have a problem with her being #1 because looking at the rest of the top 10 all of those girls are either injured (physically and/or mentally), inconsistent (Azarenka, Zvonareva, Li), one surface specialists (Schiavone, Stosur), not in the best of shape (Bartoli), or still polishing their game (Kvitova).

    But Wozniacki's iffy slam results only make the WTA look bad to casual tennis fans. Those fans don't keep track of events outside of the slams and perhaps Indian Wells and Miami. In the last 7 slams, Wozniacki only beat one player in the top 10 while 5 of those losses were to girls ranked outside of the top 16. If Federer/Nadal/Djokovic lost like that there would be unstoppable howling about how lousy those guys are. It doesn't send a great message to the fans as a whole to be losing to non-slam contenders (exception being Schiavone who did go on to win the FO). Ironically, her biggest upset loss was to then #62 Kvitova and one year later we can see that a star has emerged.

    She's ranked #1, but going into a major is she really the best player out there? So far, it's been no. At the same time, it's hard to figure out who's a true contender especially given Serena/Clijsters/Sharapova issues and focus.
     
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    If Kim, Serena, or Venus were #1 you'd have similar issues (part time player being able to half ass it and still be #1). Or if Li was #1 people would be more accepting since there's short term memory and even people that pay attention don't remember her post AO slump this year.

    Meanwhile Woz was tearing it up to start the year. Won IW, Dubai, and CHarleston (non MM events), made AO SF. She looked like a legit #1...then she overplayed, got beat by Goerges in 2 events, embarassed at RG by Hantuchova, early loss at Wimby...and again there's the questions.

    There is no solution, instead of giving grief to Woz for being a weak #1, give more grief to girls like Kim and Na Li for not doing well enough in the other events to overtake such a weak #1. Woz deserves some grief, but the other girls on tour aren't getting enough flak for their respective weaknesses. It's not the ranking system's fault if Kim is a part time player. You can't just go and give 3000 pts for slams and devalue the rest of the season.
     
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  32. NadalAgassi

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    There is no worthy #1. Woz at #1 is a joke, Kim doesnt even care about it, Serena has barely played in the last year due to injury, Venus is old and past it and not #1 caliber anymore anyway, Li Na is inconsistent. Maybe Kvitova will be the one to take the reigns and end the embarassment, or perhaps a fully revived Serena. For now they should award three retired legends the top 3 WTA ranking spots, and begin ranking current players at #4 until someone steps forward as a semi plausible #1.
     
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  33. PSNELKE

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    Unfortunately I dont see any German girl winning one.

    Obviously the first 3. (Kvitova will win another 2 or 3 or even more)

    For the rest of them I dont have any hopes.
     
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    Exactly. Good psot JBF. ;)
     
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    Pavlyuchenkova needs to get that 0-5 vs Wozniacki addressed. All straight set matches. She's got a nifty drop shot, can take charge of points quickly, and there's definitely potential... to either stand out or be another fatally-flawed brainless basher. She's progressed up the ranks steadily. #13 and just turned 20.
     
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    Some people just have bad matchups - see Davydenko vs Federer (or vs Blake for that matter). I like Pavs. If she continues to improve she should be top 10 by the end of this year and maybe top 5 by next year.
     
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    Wozzy the next Ivanovic. Azarenka, Lisicki and Kvitova will dominate the next few years. Sharapova will dominate too, but not an 88-91
     
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    Woz is much more consistent than Ivanovic. Ivanovic had a bigger game though and made 3 slam finals and a Wimby SF before turning 21, compared to Woz's one final. I'm guessing you're trying to say Woz will just win one major. Woz is a wildcard based on her past 7 slam appearances. If she snags a USO or AO by next year that might give her added incentive and confidence to incorporate more tools to her game. But it wouldn't surprise me if she doesn't win one either. She seems too content to play her defensive game while relying on daddy and headcases to win matches for her. The good news is she rarely beats herself. The bad news is in majors she lacks the will to win matches. USO or AO possibly.

    Lisicki has been an accident-in-progress the past two years. She lives-or-dies on her serve because her groundstrokes off both wings are rather suspect. She has some areas to tweak and has to work on conditioning. That said, I would give her equal or better odds of winning a major than Azarenka, as much as it pains me to say that. Wimby or nothing at this point.

    Azarenka.... hmmm. This girl is beginning to torture me ala Safina. She has arguably the best return of serve now. Deadly backhand, hits deep off both wings, and has beaten quality players. Her problems are she's mentally a flake when the chips are down (too many examples to list), she quits/retires too much for my liking, she's SOFT when playing her BFF Wozniacki, tricky players like Dulko easily get under her skin (*cough*FO 2010*cough*), and for all of her shrieking she only hits about as aggressive as Jankovic or Zvonareva. She's pretty, but her style of play and her courtside manners sometimes aren't. Best bet would be the AO.

    As for Kvitova, I don't really have much new to add to what's already been said here. It's still early, but Kvitova gives off this impression that you haven't seen her at her best yet. She's won Wimbledon, but I just feel she's got other elements in her game she's waiting to put on display. Very curious to see when she will improve on fast hardcourts. I hated Kvitova for beating Safina at USO 2009, but even I acknowledged her as the better player that day. She's the one in this class to keep an eye on. A contender for all four slams, especially Wimbledon.

    Goerges did well during the clay season until the FO. She's got game and if she can tidy up a few rough edges she'll do better at the majors. As it is, I don't see a major yet.
     
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    Wozzy may well be the next Ivanovic if she ever wins a major. She is more consistent but Ana's game was more explosive...however I think Woz will be wildcard at majors for longer and way more so than Ivanovic ever was or probably will be again because of her pure defensive consistency. She has been working to add more offense to her game of late and seems to hit way more winners in her matches then she used to, so she is trying. I wouldn't say she lacks the will to win, she wanted to beat Li at the AO this year, had it and got tight when Li finally found her forehand late in the 2nd set...she got upset and was *****ing errors, but she wanted it, at least for a while.

    Sure, she'll likely never win the French because she can't slide to save her life and has very little spin and shot variety to speak of at the moment, and she plain stinks on grass, but she could definitely get a hard court slam especially with the clocks of Serena Kim and Li ticking.

    The tour right now is a crapshoot, no woman is going to step up anytime soon and be like Fed, Nadal or Djokovic of late and win everything in sight because none of them are complete enough to do it. Woz will have a chance, as will probably most of the players in the poll in this thread simply because of that. after 2012 is over when Kim, and right now I would say Serena, Venus, likely Li Na and Schivone (who is a threat at the french because of how utterly blah the clay field seems to have become) are all possibly retired, she will have as much of a chance at every major as everyone else...
     
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    I hope radwanska she's really nice
     
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  41. 1970CRBase

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    "What's wrong" is Daddy. imo, for both Woz - and Lisicki. Time for them both to hire a professional coach, objective and unbiased, however much Piotr and Richard respectively have done for and have helped Caroline and Sabine up to this point. This is something that Li Na recognised when she decisively ditched hubby Jiang as her coach in favour of Mortensen and the lines of command are very clear as Li has made it so, Mortensen is coach, Jiang the supportive husband/hitting partner. And that is why Li was able to break that bottleneck and make an enormous stride forward which was a fundamental shift upwards in her level of play. She went from being a plain ball basher who had made her one slam final on a hot streak into a legitimate contender for slams. A little of the right advice went a long way indeed.

    For Miss Sunshine and Miss ThunderThighs, if they can't pass this coaching bottleneck they are currently in, this will be on average their limit, neither quite here nor really there. Woz will never get her slam(s) unless the draw falls to bits and she gets an great streak herself. Liz will never be the top player whom I believe she has the potential weapons and power to be and essentially stay a landmine in early rounds. But even IF they both do get real coaches, who calls the shots has to be clear, Piotr and Richard have to completely step down as their daughters coaches and turn that role totally over to the new coaches. That's the biggest difficulty. Even if they do step down, they wouldn't be able to stop interfering, will they? Nobody will be able to properly coach those girls with those two guys there and having to fight them at every step. But as well intentioned fathers, they've got to know, ok, this is how far they've been able to bring Woz and Liz, now is the time to let go and let somebody else take over the helm.

    However, Petra is a completely different story. She seems just like Pete in that you can see she just keeps going forward. A mistake, she's done with, she's not interested in it anymore. She seems oblivious to things which don't concern her or she isn't concerned with anymore. That mentality is very striking. At Wimby, Kitty goofed a few times against Sharapova and also against Aza, yet it didn't seem to register on her at all, it was like nothing but little blips on the radar to her, completely insignificant in her wider perspective.

    No doubt, Petra is capable of awful stuff too and can lose in early rounds but if she makes a SF or F of a slam, I have trouble now seeing who could beat her, either short term or long term. Out of established current and younger players around her age, who can realistically stop her in a slam from now on in the next ~ 3 years? Woz? 6-2 6-0! Aza? She managed to take a set off Kitty due to Kitty's own blunders in the second set but it never looked like a contest, really it was a complete mismatch all the way and it will likely stay that way. Lisicki? Unless she can sort her fitness. Görges? Lets see her pass the 3rd round of a slam/get into the second week of a slam first. Pavy? Unless she can lose that spare tire hanging around her waist. Sharapova? With that great victory, Kitty's proven her complete mental and technical superiority over her. And so on. If Kitty doesn't get injuries and/or simply manages her health well, I'd say the 7-12 slam range would then depend upon how well she faces down her new challengers by that time she passes 7 and starts going for 10.

    So only that only leaves several older players Serena, Venus, Kim, Li and Fran all of whom are ~ 30 who may or may not be playing a full schedule or even at all after another 3 years or so. And out of those, only Serena, if she is back to 2010 form may have the ability to really over power Kvitova who herself is now way better a player than in 2010. Fran, only on clay will she have a chance against Kitty and even then she may not as Kitty keeps improving. Venus, not going to be consistent anymore over 2 weeks. Li, I think has about maxed out her potential and with Kitty in ascendancy, she had best take her remaining chances and do all she can in the next couple of years before she declines after her late bloom. Mom Kim seems to have other things on her mind, but even 100% dedication on her part may not be enough to hold off Kitty for long.

    Kvitova and her lefty whiplash lightning bolt forehand is likely going to be the player who is the torch bearer for her generation, with her breakthrough, she's shown decisively that she's a real contender - not just for number one, but for the possible future best of the next 5 years.
     
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    Doesn't Lisicki work with Cahill and the Adidas program? I think she still works w/ Bolleteirri from time to time as well. If Lisicki stays healthy she will be top 10 this time next year, easily. Coaching isn't the problem for her IMO, it's fitness and mentality.
     
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  43. 1970CRBase

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    Agree on the fitness issue. Why were Lisicki's groundstrokes and indeed her serve failing after the Li match? She wasn't exploding off the ground anymore the way she was and was just getting slower and more tired. Of course she was late to move and react. She went from a literal Thunderbolt in the 1st and 2nd round to looking like a tame hamster by the time of the Sharapova match! Mentality wise, I don't see so much of a problem after seeing Lisicki serving four Sampras like bombs down double matchpoint. Outside of Serena, how many WTA could do something like that?

    That said, she is already top 10 material easily and no doubt she will reach top 10 within a year. But I do not see that as the limit on her real potential but a bottleneck that she's got to break through. I keep saying, if Lisicki can just weld all her weapons and power together, she will be an absolute killing machine with almost no limit to her upside. Indeed, I can see in her the makings of an incredible, dominant player.

    That's why I am suggesting Lendl take over coaching her, since he seems to want to coach now. But it must be full time and he (or whoever) must take over coaching completely. Cahill seems only part time, it's always Richard in the box and then doing the OCC (on court coaching). Lisicki needs to be fitter than everybody at the top, can't be too difficult seeing it is the WTA. Schiavone, Kim, Li, maybe Woz are reasonably fit, at least for the women. Who else?
     
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    I dunno....


    Im seeing a new rivalry for the WTA...Lisicki Kvitova, anyone?
     
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  45. NadalAgassi

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    Lisicki is not in Kvitova's league at this point. Credit her for a great Wimbledon but she still couldnt even get to 5-5 in a set vs a double faulting machine Sharapova.
     
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    Azarenka is such a question mark. Losing to a qualifier in an event in which you're the defending champion?

    Until late last year it seemed Wozniacki had owned her group of peers. Wozniacki was probably banking on the old gals to retire soon enough to where none of her immediate peers would break through before her. Well, that kind of backfired.

    Radwanska, Azarenka, Pavlyuchenkova are all Woz's puppets in that they'll automatically lose to her. Wickmayer is weak against her as well. Woz is even 3-1 vs Kvitova, but that one loss was a biggie. Not sure if or when Kleybanova returns.

    Now she faces stubborn competition from Kvitova, Goerges, Lisicki if healthy, and even Cibulkova in her group. I think it will be a battle between Wozniacki and Kvitova for supremacy over this group. If Azarenka, Lisicki, Goerges, Pavlyuchenkova, or others, want to crash the party, then that should make for some interesting rivalries.
     
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  47. NadalAgassi

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    I think Kvitova will start dominating Wozniacki. She is improving while Wozniacki seems to have plateaued. On grass and clay she will thump Woz everytime. The only question is on hard courts will their rivalry be even or will Kvitova start dominating their too. I cant see Wozniacki dominating Kvitova anywhere.
     
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    Jovanovski's grunt is loud and annoying. Not only does she look a bit like Azarenka, her grunt is hard on the ears just like Vika's. Oh and she chokes as seen in her 1st set vs Petrova tonight.
     
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    Pavlyuchenkova needs a full-time dietician. I knew she was thick when she came up (hence the nickname babyfat), but she just looks fat now. And she's only 20. :(
     
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    I think Azarenka will do well in the future. Especially on clay.
     

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