Which one is less/more arm friendly: APD13 or Steam 99(s)?

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Which one is more arm friendly?

  1. Aero Pro Drive 2013

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  2. Steam 99(s)

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    77.8%
  1. Veninga

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    Both are stiff. APD has the new cortex. Wilson the BLX360.

    Can anyone compare them?
     
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  2. JackB1

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    APD feels much stiffer to me
     
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  3. El Diablo

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    I found them both too jarring. If arm friendliness is a concern, you should look somewhere else.
     
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  4. Faithfulfather

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    I just bought an 2013 Aeropro Drive and I find it not too bad. I am very susceptible to tennis and golfers elbow.

    **EDIT**
    Three hours after playing with the AeroPro Drive, I am feeling a pain in my arm. It didn't hurt on court, but now it is sore. I hate my arm.
     
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  5. Dgdavid

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    2013 APD was uncomfortable to play with and I could see it becoming a problem for me in time. Strung with RPM Blast at mid. 2013 APD Plus even more so.

    Despite the spec, no discomfort at all with the Steam 99S even with full poly.
     
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  6. Veninga

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    Ai, good luck then..
     
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  7. Veninga

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    hi david. did you play the APD also with a multi? I guess you have to play the steam with a poly, the APD can go with a multi.

    My arm doesnt like poly's in combi with high stiffnes. So was wondering if one of thes with a multi would be ok.
     
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    My aero is strung with Spikey Shark 17 @ 55 and Prince S-Gut 17 @ 58. I am only just getting back into tennis after a 5 month layoff due to a torn ACL. I still can't make explosive movements or run full out, but it feels good to hit again.
     
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  9. Dgdavid

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    No, just with the Poly which I guess was pretty unfriendly in itself. Not sure how the APD would be with a multi though, I think it needs a poly too.
     
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    I own both rackets, both strung with poly at similar tensions.
    the APD never gave me any significant problems, but it also wouldnt allow me to swing as hard and as big as the 99s.

    because no matter how hard i hit, the 99s would always keep the ball in play. I had to finesse the APD more to keep the ball in court.

    Im not used to using the extra weight of the 99s, so if im not careful, i end up with late swings which forces my wrist to muscle the return, causing wrist strain. My wrist is now in constant aches, but hopefully i'll get through it if my wrist gets stronger.

    I love the 99s, and refuse to give it up.
     
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    Which one is more destructive to your body? Better wording I think.
     
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    The APD's comfort levels are below average, so that might have an effect on the arm. And like always the stiffness is 70+ I think. Same with the Steam but from what I've heard at the local courts it's more comfortable and easier on the arm than the APD or PD by far.
     
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  13. parasailing

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    Good to see a fellow night owl posting at wee hours in the morning :). I would suggest you go with gut mains/poly cross setup or a multi when using the APD especially if you have arm issues.

    I was surprised that the Steam 99S didn't feel as stiff as I thought maybe due to the more open 16x15 string pattern.
     
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  14. JackB1

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    personally, I think it's no contest between the APD and the Steam as far as stiffness goes. The APD feels VERY stiff with no give and a very firm feel, whereas the Steam has some flex and an almost "plush" feel, even with full poly.
     
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  15. g4driver

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    The Steam is no where near plush to me or several 4.0s who have hit with mine. I have one friend who played with the 2011 AeroPro Drives with RPM Blast for two years, and he commented that the Steam 99S feels about the same to him.

    I owned two PDGT+ frames in 2010 and the Steam 99S reminds me of their stiffness.

    Personally, it feels much stiffer than the "69" TW rates it as. The Donnay Formula 100 is also listed at "69" and there is no question which frame hurts my elbow more.

    "Plush" is not even close to accurate IMO on the Steam 99S


    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/reviews/DFORM/DFORMreview.html
     
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  16. JackB1

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    feel is very subjective......

    of course the 99s is not plush, like a Rebel 95, EXO Tour or Prestige MP. But it's as plush as anything I've felt at a 68-70 stiffness rating, with a full set of poly at 16g or more. There have been quite a lot of people who have said their 99s felt "plush" so I am not alone here. The Donnay benefits from the solid filling in their frames (Xenecore) and that seems to filter out the bad vibes. The Donnay's definitely have a nice solid and arm friendly feel to them, no doubt.
     
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  17. g4driver

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    Yep, you got that right, and there are just as many guys who say the frame feels stiff. Everyone has a point of no return on their elbows, shoulders and arm. I think mine is around 66. Above that, is a no go for me. Been that way for a while.

    As far as answering the OP's question, my teammate who has played with an AeroPro Drive for 2+ years and now owns a Steam 99S, thinks both of these frames feel about the same to him. Maybe the guys who vote "plush" don't have any arm issues at all and can't feel the vibration, or stiffness in a Steam 99S or in an Aeropro Drive either. I would put my teammate in that category.

    But "plush", no. I would not use "plush" to describe a 99S. I don't know many guys who play with EXO Tours, Yonex RDiS 100, Head Radical Pro or any frame measuring 64 or less to call a Steam 99S "Plush". If your arm can take an AeroPro Drive, PDGT, or Juice 100, you will likely think the Steam 99S is "plush"

    To me, the Steam 99S plays stiffer than a "69".

    A Pro Open at "66" feels plush to me, but not to my friend who hits with a Donnay Pro One 97 16x19. And he is a Radical guy, so the Pro One 97 feels stiffer to him. The Pro One 97 is probably much more suited to my game, since I like the heft of the frame and can swing it for 4 to 5 hours a day in tournaments. So I will probably be unloading my Steams to a teammate who hits with a PDGT. He really enjoyed hitting with the Steam 99S and since he doesn't have has much pace, the depth on the shots seem to make him better.

    Happy hitting Jack
     
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    Totally disagree with your statement above. Not that it matters, but you are the 1st one I have heard say that. Go read through the large 99s thread and see how many times you see someone say "this doesn't feel as stiff as the flex rating". The Pure Drive 2012 feels like 69. The APD does too. Not the 99s....at least to me. I also found the Pro Open to feel quite firm and stiff.

    But that is why threads like this are meaningless to the OP. HE needs to try both himself and see. They are both rated as "stiff" frames and neither may bother his arm or one or the other may or they both may? What you or me say about them is just a point of reference and not a conclusion.
     
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  19. g4driver

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    Ask Drak. He sold his Steam 99s for the same reasons. His posts is is there.

    The average frame from TW gets a "69" that is simply an avg. measurement

    I agree let the OP decide for himself. My teammate doesn't feel any difference from these two frames. Not sure how you can disagree with that.

    You do realize that hundreds if not thousands of people could play with a Steam 99S and not make a post about it because they think it is stiff? While the people who actually buy one probably don't feel the stiffness, hence they are more likely to buy one, play with it and possibly post about it versus someone who tried it and say "too stiff" for them?

    What % of people make posts about frames they don't own vs the % of people of make post about frames they do own? I would guess much higher % from people who actually buy a frame. Maybe I am totally alone on that train, but I don't think so.

    Drak own a steam 99S and sold it for the same reasons I am going to sell mine.

    Glad you like the frame Jack. It seems like it could be the start of a lot of new frames, with 16 x 15 or 16x 16 patterns. Similar to the first generation polys.

    I know Prince is coming out with a 16x16 frame this summer.
     
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  20. g4driver

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    Ok, I got Drak's reason for selling wrong. Not a stiffness issue according to him.

    Hope the logic about people making post about frames they own makes sense. That is the point I intended to make.

    People wrote about their experiences and I believe more people write about frames they own, than things they try for a weekend.
     
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  21. JackB1

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    ^^ I agree with you.

    bottom line = both frames are stiff, op needs to try himself
     
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  22. Veninga

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    guys, thanks, yes I would/need to try them both, but does not have the demo option here.

    And because of my recent shoulder injury (supraspinatus tendinitis followed by first signs of frozen shoulder, but had my first hit in 4 months yesterday), i have to have a new racket and make sure that my racket is not as vibrating as my my APDC which was the reason of my injury.

    I play a very versatile baseline game, lots of variation (spin, slice, short, long) and has already a spinny swing. Depending on the stringbed it gets or too spinny (for example exo warrior or tflash 300, so short balls) or balls fly long (pure drive, bio 400). I need the power of a powerfull, little polarised 22/24 mm thick beam with a medium open stringbed and swingweight between 320 and 325). New APD comes close, the Steam 99 (not S, ordered by TWE with a handpicked sw 325) also.

    But depending on your contributions, maybe both are too stiff.

    Got an Yonex RDIS 200 lite, played it yesterday, with a poly, which was pretty nice, but have to replace the poly.

    Also looking for a RDIS 300 (a bit more beefy i guess) or Tecnifibre T fight 295 or maybe a new F3.0 Tour. Or Organix 8!

    Had a look at new Pro Kennex q series. Maybe q5 or q15. Latter one should be a beast in terms of power and spin and also arm friendly.

    Any other options to consider?
     
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  23. Veninga

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    ps played with the BIO 200 max for a while, which was very plush and enough power for me. A bit sorry I sold it.

    ps2 also looking for the new SPEED MP. 22beam, sw 324, pretty open pattern, sounds interesting too.
     
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