Which record in tennis will least likely be broken?

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  1. vive le beau jeu !

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    ah ok... my bad, i didn't come back early enough in the messages to see we were talking about slams !

    17 times for JA marin... ouch.
    i remember his match vs sampras !
     
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  2. mike danny

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    Federer's 3 seasons winning 3 slams. This will never be equaled or broken
     
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    I think we should exempt the weak era.
     
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    But then Nadal has almost no titles :confused:

    The last few years have been horrendous, at least 2001-2004 kept you guessing as to who'd win a title.
     
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    yes..Federer winning 3 majors a year in 3 different years. its gonna be difficult to break that record,
     
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  6. clayqueen

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    You mean when Nadal was a teenager?
     
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    Seles winning most Slams as a teenager will never be broken.
     
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    No,before Nadal and Fed came to dominate, the tour was weaker in terms of dominant players, but the lack of dominant players made it better.
     
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    butthurt nadal fan is butthurt
     
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    Maureen Connolly won 9 slams as a teenager.
     
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    Nadal won 11 titles at the age of 18/19. I don't think any male player ahs ever achieved that. I don't know about the women.
     
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  12. Phoenix1983

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    Borg and Nadal are tied for most titles won as a teenager, with 16 apiece.
     
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    Are you BobbyOne in disguise? Or didn't you know she amassed those in the pub player era?
     
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    this.....is a very tough record to break......
     
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    They are polar opposite

    They had a heated argument because they don't share the same view. One is trying to convince Rosewall is a unanimous goat, while the other believe he's at best is in the top 5 and NO goat.
     
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    Russeljones, How many beers have you drunk in your pub??
     
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    Wait, wasn't that in the era you wanted to exclude in your previous post? Maybe you could, like, make up your mind before posting something and it's opposite.

    What's-his-name winning on blue clay during the era of the so-called "clay GOAT" when said so-called "clay GOAT" was playing on home soil. That was pretty good and unlikely to be broken soon, since the so-called "clay GOAT" lobbied so much for the surface to be discontinued, as he couldn't stand the fact that he lost there and that this might be a blemish on his so-called "clay GOAT" resume. That was pretty good, especially for a weak-era, semi-retired broken-back part-time second-rate player.

    (Funny thing is, the so-called "clay GOAT" shouldn't have ben afraid of that, as there is no clay GOAT, like there is no overall GOAT. Never has been, never will be.)
     
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  18. merlinpinpin

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    Probably not, as it was almost tied (one match away only) in a day and age where the #1 actually had to contend with some competition, so it could easily be beaten if we get another decade with one all-time great playing against a bunch of one-slam wonders, especially if said all-time great is an all-court player able to win on all surfaces.
     
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    Federer winning 2 slams 5 times in a row. I doubt this will ever be matched. No one has ever been more dominant at 2 slams than Federer.

    Borg comes close but he never won 5 RG in a row.
     
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    I know exactly when Connolly won her slams, and I think she gets little to zero respect in female GOAT debates, despite the fact that she'd won 9 slams (including the first ever female CYGS) by the age of 19.

    Whereas Seles and her similarly tragic career get brought up all the time.

    So I think it worth pointing out that Connolly won more slams as a teenager than Seles. And was able to win Wimbledon.
     
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    I am aware of BobbyOne having a heated argument with everyone who believes Federer is part of the all time top 10,000.
     
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    Worth pointing out, but not an equal achievement to that of Seles. Taking a glancing peek at the players Seles faced in finals during her teenage rampage, we'll see she dispatched some quality opposition. She managed this during the time of 2 women's GOAT contenders.

    Jana Novotná, Mary Joe Fernandez (worth pointing out she defeated K. Date earlier in that same '92 AO); Steffi Graf in 3 finals I believe (also beat Gabriela Sabatini in the same tournament); Arantxa Sánchez Vicario; Martina Navratilova (at the '91 USO Navratilova wasn't exactly useless).
     
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    Maureen Connolly: 9 slams won as a teenager

    1951 US Open: bt. Shirley Fry
    1952 Wimbledon: bt. Louise Brough
    1952 US Open: bt. Doris Hart
    1953 Australian: bt. Julie Sampson
    1953 French: bt. Doris Hart
    1953 Wimbledon: bt. Doris Hart
    1953 US: bt. Doris Hart
    1954 French: bt. Ginette Bucaille
    1954 Wimbledon: bt. Louise Brough

    - Fry and Hart both won the career Grand Slam.
    - Brough was a 4-times Wimbledon champion, who Connolly twice defeated in straight sets in the W final.
    - 2 slams won against players who never won a slam (Sampson, Bucaille)
    - 7/9 slams won against very tough opposition (and the fact that you have not heard of them doesn't mean they weren't very tough opposition).

    Monica Seles: 8 slams won as a teenager

    1990 French: bt. Steffi Graf
    1991 Australian: bt. Jana Novotna
    1991 French: bt. Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
    1991 US: bt. Martina Navratilova
    1992 Australian: bt. Mary Joe Fernandez
    1992 French: bt. Steffi Graf
    1992 US: bt. Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
    1993 Australian: bt. Steffi Graf

    - 3 wins against Graf, no explanation needed.
    - 1 win against Navratilova, but an old Navratilova. Still a good win.
    - 2 wins against ASV, a borderline great, but the win over her at the French where she was a 3-time champ was impressive.
    - 1 win against one-hit wonder Novotna.
    - 1 win against a player who never won a slam (Fernandez)

    On balance, I agree that Seles' competition was slightly harder.

    Then again, Connolly's achievements were slightly greater: 9 slams vs. 8, including the CYGS (whereas Seles never looked likely to trouble Graf at Wimbledon).

    Certainly they are in the same tier of greatness and it's not true to say that Connolly's achievements were "not equal to those of Seles"!
     
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    Fed's 36 consecutive min QFs at Slams.
     
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    That was all politics regarding WTT that stopped Borg's run @RG.

    I still say no one will ever win 11 of 16 slams in a four-year span. All the other numbers mean very little. Maybe 302 is significant.
     
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    Wilander was the youngest male to win a major at the time that he won the 1982 French Open, at 17 years and 10 months, beating Borg's record from the 1974 French Open by 2 months. Wilander's record was beaten by Becker at 1985 Wimbledon, who was 17 years and 8 months. And then Becker's record was beaten by Chang at the 1989 French Open, who was 17 years and 4 months.
     
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    Renee Richard`s record. Played in both Men and Women tournaments
     
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    Michael Chang is the youngest ever men's singles Grand Slam champion.
     
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    1. Steffi Graf's Calendar Year Golden Slam (AO+FO+Wimby+USO+OG)

    2. Nadal's 9+ Consecutive years of winning at least 1 Grand Slam title

    3. Rod Laver's Calendar Year Grand Slam (AO+FO+Wimby+USO)

    4. Federer's 237 consecutive weeks at #1
     
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  30. edberg volleys

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    And that's too bad ;)
     
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    Yes that's a good one and the British drought of however many years between Perry and Murray.
     
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    That's not a record any British player wants to break.
     
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    In what draws?
     
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    Greatest number of Butt Pickings in one season....Nadal

    Greatest number of rackets smashed in a career....Safin
     
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    The "youngest to" records on the male side will not broken because of the size and strength of the fully grown male players today.

    Hewitt and Chang were mentioned and there is also youngest to win a main tour event - Aaron Krickstein, 16 yrs. 2 mo. at Tel Aviv in 1984.
     
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  36. WalterWhite

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    i think Nadal's RG record is going to be pretty darn hard to beat
     
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    6-1, 6-3, 6-0
    Winnings just 4 games in a slam final in Open era. Hardest to beat.
     
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    The first..."unreachable" (thankfully)

    The second...have you met the Latvian Lavaflow yet? He's got Safin in sight!
     
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    Yeah this is a good point, the game is so physical (and mental) that a 17 year old will never win a mens singles major. Although I suppose there is a possibility of a weak era and then a prodigy showing up, but I think this youngest major record will be a tough one.
     
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    Bill Tilden 95 match winning streak will also never happen again
     
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    A male playing the WTA Grand Slam, Renée Richards 77-81.
     
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    Greatest number of shankings in a career...........Federer.
     
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    Connors winning US Open on 3 different surfaces will never be broken.

    Federer's 6 years of consecutive major semi-finals will be tough.

    Matching Federer's 5 consecutive USOpens and 5 consecutive Wimbledons is tough too.

    Nadal's 8 French Opens in a career will be tough also.
     
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    I think you are correct about the great improbability of Connors' achievement being matched. However, I wouldn't call it a "record" in the first place; it's really a "feat." Normally, a record concerns some desirable result that is regularly tracked, i.e., counted or measured. E.g., winning the most U.S. Opens. Every player wants to win the USO, and it's easy to count who has done it the most times.

    But sometimes rare things happen that no one was tracking in the first place, or cares about tracking afterward. These are simply feats, not true records. No one ever cared about "winning the USO on the most number of different surfaces" -- it was a category that did not exist, because the USO was always played on the same surface. Then the tournament happened to change its surface twice in four years, when Connors was the king of the event. So yes, Connors' wins on grass, Har-Tru, and Decoturf were marvelous, but no one was counting different surface USO wins before then, and no one is counting different surface USO wins now either.

    There are other accomplishments as well in this thread that I would deem feats rather than true records.
     
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    Male players:
    1881 Wimbledon: W Renshaw d Hartley - 6/0, 6/1, 6/1
    1936 Wimbledon: Perry d Von Cramm - 6/1, 6/1, 6/0

    Female players:
    1988 RG: Graf d Zvereva - 6/0, 6/0

    Thanks for playing!
     
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    Bjorn Borg with his three Channel Slams in a row between 1978-1980. He did not play the 1977 FO due to his participation in World Team Tennis, yet did win the '77 Wimbledon title as well. When he won the 78 FO, he only lost 32 games the whole tournament. This was also a time when the grass courts were quite different at Wimbledon than they are these days. Nadal does have two channel slams now.
     
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    A few different ones-Laver winning 200 tournaments in his career. Borg winning over 100 tournaments by age 25. Laver winning an Amateur Grand Slam in 1962, a Pro Grand Slam in 1967 and an Open Grand Slam in 1969.

    Personally I do think a player may eventually have three Grand Slams in a career especially in a era of similar surfaces but the amateur, Pro and Open can't be duplicated.
     
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    Then Federer wins for Open Era
     
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