Which retail Wilson Tour 90 is closest to FEDERER's actual racquet?

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  1. Rexking

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    Which retail Wilson Tour 90 is closest to FEDERER's actual racquet in terms of composition, weight distribution, string pattern, "feel" and etc?

    ProStaff Tour 90, Ncode Tour 90, KFactor Tour 90 or BLX Tour 90?

    I have searched and the results were confusing. There were debates between the Ncode and KFactor, but now they are people believing he is using the new BLX:confused::confused:
     
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  2. roger nadal

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    ya he has already said he uses the K factor, but that was when k factors were sold. now he says he uses BLX. he gets paid alot of money to lie
     
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    Well Said!
     
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    I've heard he's using the K90 now but there's no way to be sure
     
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    He has used the PS85 90sqi version for many years now according to my sources at ****.
     
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    It was confirmed by someone from Priority One that Federer did in fact use the K90 but as for what he's using now, I'm not sure that anyone outside of his "circle" knows for sure.
     
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    Priority One has confirmed that he uses the BLX. All they do to it is make the weight 360 grams, make sure they are all balanced the same, and do some grip work. That's all they do, otherwise it is stock.
     
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    I would be very happy if anyone has a link to this, thank you!
     
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  9. dextor

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    Need source. Thanks.
     
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    Source is my Wilson rep who I've known for 30 years who just came back from Priority One's office. I know for some that isn't good enough because they believe in conspiracy theories. But I have never had a reason to disbelieve this person in 30 years. That and the fact that I used to be on Wilson's free list when I was nationally ranked as a junior and toured Wilson's facilities many times.
     
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  11. roger nadal

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    like i said hes paid alot to lie. no one knows
     
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  12. coloskier

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    He's not paid that much, so he has no reason to lie. Of course, if there wasn't a "paintjob conspiracy", half the people on this forum would have nothing to talk about.
     
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    Wanted respond to this post to clear up a situation. We have NEVER had a Wilson rep come visit our office.
     
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    you've been served!
     
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  15. roger nadal

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    im sorry but we are talking about roger federer. hes the highest paid player on the planet and has a lifetime contract with wilson. he is paid alot
     
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    Reps will never tell about pj. They have all the reasons to lie since they need the new line to sell.
     
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  17. JoelDali

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    I played 3 sets this morning with my old PT90 strung with 6 month old Flouro and it was awesome...Its so much heftier than a BLX90. I was playing extemely consistent with it. Still a classic.
     
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  18. coloskier

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    I was talking about the Rep, not Roger.
     
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  19. roger nadal

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    oh, my bad dude sorry
     
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  20. martini1

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    Not bashing anybody here but here's my take:

    - Fed uses the Pro Staff line, that's a given.
    - The spec of his racket is very close to the retail version of the K90, minus the lead added for him. This has been proven from actual P1 pics.
    - Fed did not use the N-code (material) ver, so there is little incentive for him to use the K graphite or the BLX basalt. This is from the simple logic of each time a "new material" is used the feel is changed. Pros usually don't like the big change in feel. They only do the fine tuning on the strings. That is true for almost all top pros out there, don't see how Fed would be so different, although I could be wrong.
    - Pros that have been playing over 10 yrs since a junior usually stick with the spec/feel they used to...until they retire and loses the big sponsorship. Michael Chang is now using the APDC for example.

    So my conclusion is Roger is using the same custom frame since he landed his big contract with Wilson, which would be his custom frame after the PS85 from 2001. And probably only Fed and HIS wilson rep will know for sure. All others are just told Fed is using whatever the current line is, plus some customization. That is not really lying because they can call it a BLX still, but customized for Fed. And one of the customization is being molded in a slightly different material.

    People from P1 never hit with the clients' racquets, the stringer would never know if they feel different from the stick Fed used later year or the year before. They also won't cut it in half and see what's inside.

    The only thing they can confirm is when some cosmetic features are indeed different, like the painted on cortex on Roddick and Rafa's sticks.
     
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  21. Povl Carstensen

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    Well "K-graphite" might just be a fancy name for ordinary graphite/carbon fibre. So the K could be what hes playing with. No definite proof but certainly a lot of more than hints in that direction.
     
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    Thank you for the clarification mr Yu! THANK YOU!
     
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  23. martini1

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    Makes sense. Why would a Wilson sales rep going to a stringer company and talk about paint job rackets? P1 doesn't sell rackets. If you are saying they buy strings and butt caps and grips that would make more sense.
     
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  24. RJYU

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    I've actually hit with a lot of our clients' racquets, AND we have been known to cut open racquets from time to time if we're curious to see what's inside.

    I don't think you're giving our "noseyness" enough credit.
     
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    Hey Ron, out of curiosity, what level player are you?
     
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  26. RJYU

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    I'm a hack now. I didn't play more than 10 times between 2000-2009. I've got two bad knees that don't like me playing much tennis. Although since we've hired Glynn, he likes to go out and hit, and I've actually hit with him about 20 times in the past couple of years.

    Back between 1985-1995, I probably hit 3 or 4 times per week. At one point I was rated as a 5.0 player, but now I'd say I'm more at a 3.5-4.0 level now. Even if I started hitting a lot again, I couldn't do too well in a match. I could probably rally in practice decently, but my knees don't allow me to make too many quick direction changes.
     
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    It's gotta be Pro Staff Tour 90, with 3-4g of lead at 12 O'Clock. Fin.
     
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  28. onehandbh

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    So hypothetically, let's say someone cut open one of Fed's
    BLX90s, what conclusion would they come to regarding
    what Fed is using?
     
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  29. martini1

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    Oh did you say one time you never hit with Federer's K90? May be I was mistaken.

    Just curious, for those you guys have played with. Are they like "left over" from a match or just rackets players didn't take with them after a tournament? It would be kind of odd if they have rackets with used strings or one is missing because it was cut opened... interesting.
     
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  30. martini1

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    You'll have to cut open the K90 and N90 too to compare if there is any difference. However I assume you'll have to take the sample to a lab to find out exactly how the material used is different from the retail ver.
     
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    LOL don't make stuff up coloskier
     
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    I personally believe he plays with a racquet very much like like the ncode tour 90. I think the average player out there found it a difficult frame to use and sales were slow so they made significant changes to the kfactor to make it more user friendly.
    Doubt you will read much on here backing that up but a good friend of who played at a high level thinks that's the case and I have some confidence in his opinion.
    I also think the BLX is trying to help deal with all the kfactor TE complaints like Babolat added cortex to help deal with those same type issues.

    You can bet Feds not using the muted blx and Roddicks not using cortex.
     
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    "It's gotta be Pro Staff Tour 90, with 3-4g of lead at 12 O'Clock. Fin."

    "I personally believe he plays with a racquet very much like like the code tour 90. I think the average player out there found it a difficult frame to use and sales were slow so they made significant changes to the kfactor to make it more user friendly.
    Doubt you will read much on here backing that up but a good friend of who played at a high level thinks that's the case and I have some confidence in his opinion.
    I also think the BLX is trying to help deal with all the kfactor TE complaints like Babolat added cortex to help deal with those same type issues.

    You can bet Feds not using the muted blx and Roddicks not using cortex."


    Priority 1 has said that he used of the line K90, which they modify slightly. Are you guys saying they are lying? I find their word more reliable than your "beliefs", sorry.
     
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    well, id disagree with this... there was a great post on this like a month ago that compared the racquets that priority one had vs. the stock version and from what i can remember the paint job was slightly different in a few areas and it was something about the spacing of the grommets that was like more evenly spaced out or something.
    if you go to the priority one site you can see the pics of feds sticks...
     
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    yeah your totally right, so many players stick with the older frames cause all this new technology just takes away the feel (for example the PST GT compared to the carbonextreme PST), roddick and nadal both dont use cortex...

    although personally i think he uses a slightly modified k90
     
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  36. Povl Carstensen

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    Agree. And it is almost inpolite to babble (sorry) on about "beliefs" etc when we have Ron Yu of P1 right here on this thread.
     
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    What I've heard about Roger's racquet is what Nate from P1 personally said to me at Wimbledon in 2006, where I was stringing for Bow Brand. He said that Fed was using a 90 sq inch Pro Staff Tour (the black one), with a different weight and balance (lead, etc..). But the most important thing was that Federer's racquet had a different string pattern. Said no more though. Then we talked about Pete... A very nice chap, Nate...

    I also strung Federer's racquet at the Lyon tournament in 2000, he was pretty shy as far as I remember. He was using the Pro Staff 85 (same as Pete) but he has switched since then.

    No pic form that day, sorry, I couldn't imagine the young Swiss would become the player he is now...
     
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  39. jackcrawford

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    String spacing is what you mean the "pro room" N90 had a different string spacing than the retail, the K90 retail has that same "compact" spacing of the 16x19 pattern.
     
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  40. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Maybe not reps but the guy that was in MW sports tent at the Head booth at Cincy 2009(very knowledgeable person and a super nice guy to boot: a credit to Head) openly talked about pros using paintjob rackets.
     
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  41. NicoMK

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    Yeah, string spacing is a more accurate term... ;) Thanks.
     
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  42. martini1

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    Umm... but no company will openly admit, or advertise the pros are using a totally different racket to be painted just like the retail ver? But when u look at the Wilson entry level line sold at walmart or target, especially the junior ones, they painted to look like the BLX 90 or others like what the Williams/Henin are using. Heck they even put their pictures on the card board as if Fed is using them. Nobody complaint about those since it is hard to believe a pro will use a $35 racket or something.

    So along that line of logic the company can also say a $199 racket is just a fancier ver and the pros use something "similar" hmmk "look alike" that is 80% the real thing. Have to call a lawyer to find out if this is touching the grey area of the false advertising act though. I personally gave up on the idea of using the same spec same everything racket as the pro. Other than the look there is nothing to it. Having such a heavy racket without the skills does nothing to me. If anybody wants a real Federer spec racket the only one is the PS85 he used before his fame.
     
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  43. Povl Carstensen

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    No you dont have to cut them open because they are a different mould.

     
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  45. Povl Carstensen

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    So if P1 says he plays with a K90, you know better, or say they are lying?
     
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    He was a representative from Head(not MW Sports) and he was openly admitting it.
     
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    please

    If I owned a company that had access to a player racquets there is no way I would ever say the player was not using the model I had access to unless I did not value having the opportunity to work for them.

    Not saying what anyone else would or should do, I am saying there in no way I personally would blow that professional relationship which is exactly what should and probably happen if I said, hey everyone, guess what, xyz player is not even using the racquet in the store, this is more like a old frame he used to use a long time ago. You all are suckers, don't buy them thinking your getting the same frame he uses.
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    It's kind of ridiculous and silly is it not? Use some basic common sense.
    Imagine this type of phone conversation for entertainment only:

    Company-Hi one of the best Players in the world, we know you had a great year, best ever, but we need to change your racquet, seems sales are slowing down and we have made a few minor changes we think you and the general public might like, especially the weekend warriors.
    We have this new technology that will help knock out some of the vibration to help with tennis elbow and some unwanted vibrations.

    Player-My elbow is fine, thank you, but I don't want to loose any feel

    Company-Don't worry, you will get used to it, our testers think it's great and again, it blocks some unwanted vibrations. One of the testers is a solid 5.5 and he loves it so you should be happy.

    Player-That's great and all but I am not wanting to master another frame right now, I just mastered the last one you changed on me and it seems every time I master one you make me change. You know, some of the racquets were not even very much alike, that is why I was off to a slow start two years ago. The red one seemed to have more flex than the white one and that threw me off for months.

    Company-But great player, think of the weekend warriors, they want less vibrations because they miss hit a lot and you will adapt.
    You know, we have to keep up with that compound they put in the other great players racquet.

    Player-But the other great player does not even use the compound, it's just painted on his frame.

    Company-Hey, maybe we could do the same thing, just paint it to look like the new ones, then we could make changes with out making you change every couple of years.
     
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  48. DownTheLine

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    Federer switched from a PS85 to a PS90 around 2001. Federer doesn't use the K line, the BLX line or the N line. Go search and within the first 3 pages you'll find 45654 threads on this topic.
     
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    It would be interesting if u call up Head, say VP of marketing or the COO, ask them the same question and then say "your rep XXXX openly admits what you sell retail is not the same frames the players use". See how they response. I bet they won't say something like "Yes, we just paint the players' frames to look like the ones we are selling now. We just make the consumers believe they can buy whatever their idols are using." :lol:
     
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