Which retail Wilson Tour 90 is closest to FEDERER's actual racquet?

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  1. martini1

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    And nobody on the board really can confirm if he indeed used the PS90 (stock) as well. My gut feel is the PS90 he used is very similar to his PS85. But at 19 and you scored a bigger contract by switching to a new looking frame he may just do it. Who knows. And it may just be the reason why he wasn't playing just as good/consistent in 2002. It took him a while to master the new frame again... just a theory though.
     
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  2. Povl Carstensen

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    Ofcourse the mould has to do with whether its the same racket.
     
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  3. Povl Carstensen

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    And you just "know" this?
     
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    i think they are lying...
     
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  6. Povl Carstensen

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    Youre perfectly entitled to your opinion, and I hope its ok I credit Nate Ferguson and Ron Yu more than your beliefs.
     
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    As far as I have read here. Federer switched from a PS85 to a "PS90" around 2001 (the alleged PS90 he switced to, actually had a lot in common with the later released K90 than the retail PS90 at the time).

    Federer doesn't use the PS line or the N line. Go search and within the first 3 pages you'll find 45654 threads on this topic.
    As for the BLX line, I don't think there are even 565 threads about it on here.
     
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  8. morten

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    ok thanks, i am just a lifelong ps85 user, maybe stubborn, but no i have no reason to believe Nate or Ron, they are all part of the industry... and the ps85 plays too different to the 90 sized Wilsons... You have many good posts Povl, so i hope we(scandinavians) can still be friends :)
     
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  9. Povl Carstensen

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    Ofcourse, we are here because of a common interest!

    To get it out of my system, here are my main reasons to believe the K90 is probably very close to what Federer is using:
    1. The Nate Ferguson interview.
    2. The fact that the K was the first 90" pro staff with the same string spacing and grip length as Federer is using.
    3. That Wilson in their marketing of the K put extraordinary emphasis on that this was the actual racket Federer was playing and had helped develop.
    4. The fact that a Federer racket aquired by a former board member (documented by foto) matched up very well with a production racket plus a few grams of lead (and overgrip).

    And I happen to own a chinese PS 85 and a K90, have played both, and I think (contrary to some people here..), that the K is quite a nice effort to make a slightly more bigheaded and forgiving 85.

    As to whether Federer has changed to BLX, I just find it quite unlikely that Federer should change racket every 2-3 years at the optimal interval according to the Wilson marketing departement...
     
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  10. Rexking

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    Thanks for everyones posts in the thread. So it seems the common consensus is that the K90 is the closest to what Federer uses.
     
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    I agree with those that say the K90 is VERY close to what Federer plays. But I don't think it is the same. The reason I don't believe this is because that would mean that Federer would have changed material in his frames from whatever it was before to the [K]arophite. He obviously wasn't using [K]arophite before the line was introduced right?

    So I say he's using a K90 made of the older graphite that the Pro Staffs use.
     
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    How can people say that Federer didnt use the K90? Did Fabfed get given three racquets to make it look like Roger uses them? Pretty good attempt, seemed to convince me he uses them. The BLX 90s certainly beg the question because of the muted feel.

    Federer would probably prefer the K90 with same specs.
     
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    Notice how none of the big dogs of this forum are getting involved in this trivial debate....
     
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    Who are those "big dogs" you speak of? and why are they so special? Just curious...
     
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    There are quite a few, but they are guys (or girls, who knows...) that actually know stuff. They give you answers, not speculations... And they only really chip in with real info. Ericsson, Vsbabolat and RacketCraft, just to name a few...
     
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    NikeUp did you ever get a hold of them Adi 2011 pics?
     
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    Especially after ripping Djokovic last year for being fool enough to switch racquets at that stage in his career.

    With two or three years left to collect enough slams to match Court, I don't think Roger is going to be adding any mushy basalt to the frame he's been using for eight years or so.
     
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    hey man. It's not for the lack of trying that i havent got them yet! My source is a little apprehensive about leaking me the photo's as obviously there would be big consequences if they ever got caught. But i'm gonna keep trying and as soon as i succeed you'll know about it!!

    NU
     
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    NU my man, sorry ive been busting your balls. If you cant get pics thats cool just try and get the colours and il be happy.

    Your boy Babolast.
     
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  20. Povl Carstensen

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    Its not at all unlikely that [K]arophite is not a new material, but just a marketing word.
     
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  21. Povl Carstensen

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    Well if they have something to add, it would be interesting.
     
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  22. NikeUp

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    No worries, it's not a problem. I'd love to get hold of them myself!

    They have on numerous threads, it's just a matter of using the search function.....
     
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  23. Povl Carstensen

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    Well Ive followed this board quite closely for years so dont need to search. If you have something relevant to add to this discussion feel free to do so.
     
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  24. Povl Carstensen

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    It seems so. But look out for them big dogs...
    By the way, just stating my own opinion here.
     
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    Wilson claims (in their latest video interview from us, the public, please check it out on their Facebook) that Federer works very closely with them with the 6.1 LINE, not just the tour. So I would say what he's playing with is closest to the racquet that's out now,.
     
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  26. everard104

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    is it just me or is anyone else tired of all the whining about the fact that pros don't use the retail versions of the racquets they promote? who cares what's under their paint? Gezus
     
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  27. Rexking

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    Why not? It is quite impossible that he was using the K before the line was introduced publicly. Afterall he does have the privilege as the no.1 endorsed player of Wilson, so it wouldn't be too far fetched that he was using the material a few seasons before it's official introduction.
     
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  28. marosmith

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    Well, if Wilson is anything like Head he uses an all graphite pro moddel which is the same mold, or at least shape of the old pro staff 90 and he customizes the lighter pro stock racket as his racket was confirmed to be polarized so I doubt it is stock as he could not get a retail stock racket to be polarized unless he was hitting something over 13.5 oz. I doubt he changes technologies from the original graphite.
     
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    But until people search, read threads and see PICTURES for about an hour or so they don't understand the difference between pro stock and retail and so they just assume everything is retail. Makes for funny threads though.
     
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    Apparently a very tiny percentage of people do and they all post here. They can't face the fact that for years Fed has used a retail K90 with lead added. Maybe they are upset when they use a k90 they can't play like Fed. Maybe they secretly wish it was a pro staff from 1984. Maybe they want to sue Wilson.

    Whatever it is it's annoying.
     
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  31. pmerk34

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    Yea, but who cares? Fed uses a K90 with some lead tape. WOW amazing.
     
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  32. samster

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    Funny. But true.
     
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  33. marosmith

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    Wow! You are wrong!!
     
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  34. Rexking

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    I wouldn't be surprised if thats true. But everybody loves a conspiracy, its just too easy if Fed uses a retail K90!
     
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    No kidding, the secret to godliness is obviously the special racquet
     
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  36. volleynets

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    I'm pretty sure Ron Yu confirmed that it is a retail K90 with slight modifications. I would believe someone who has seen and held Fed's rackets. IF I am wrong someone say something.
     
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  37. Rexking

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    so true!

    10ch
     
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    I'm sure everyone here thinks they know.
     
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    Tennis Player, yes, but don't he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who is in it just for the money. I'd be more willing to believe he uses a modified BLX. I mean he's the greatest tennis player on the planet, you don't honestly think he'll use the next racket Wilson puts out, designed almost entirely for him? I mean if he's so good why the **** can't he adjust to a new racket that is designed specifically for him?? Doesn't make any sense at all. Maybe other guys do that but idk, I doubt it's as common as a lot of you guys make it out to be. Obviously the pros aren't using off the wall rackets, they do modifications to them, but I'm willing to bet a high percentage of pros use the rackets that TW or whatever says they use, I mean they wear the gear? Federer isn't wearing modified Nike gear that's made to look like Nike but is actually Adidas... Why the ****, if he's so good can't he use the new BLX racket they made for him?

    And if he has a lifetime contract with Wilson worth that much, don't you honestly think Wilson would sit back and go yeah Rog, use your 15 year old rackets or your 10 year old rackets, we only spent millions on a racket designed for you, so yeah go ahead and not use it.... That's so retarded. If he's got a lifetime deal he was obviously talking to Wilson like every ****ing night when they were in the design phases of the 6.1 95 BLX, telling them what he wants and does not want, etc. He probably tested out several prototypes before they finally got one he liked. I mean it doesn't make much sense for them to sink millions into a guy who refuses to use their newest rackets that are pretty much designed specifically for him....

    Why do you think Djokivic switched over the Head? They pretty much designed the Speed line for him, based on the Wilson that he was using.
     
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    Why is it "impossible"? Some pros use racquets for their entire careers that are never released to the public. A company can release or not release a racquet any time that they want.
     
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    Sorry I was meant to say POSSIBLE, if you read in the context of the whole post it should be obvious that I think its possible. "
     
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    Just on the bold part, Federer actually is wearing modified Nike gear that look exactly the same as retail versions, I believe one of the posters has a collection of Federer personal apparels said the material and cut are completely different to retail. Just to want clarify that but correct me if im wrong.
     
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    you are wrong...
     
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    Roger's 2 cents to the debate

    August 20, 2010, Cincinnati Masters:

    Q. You talk about a racquet technology
    earlier in the week. I play with BLX Roger
    Federer racquet. How big the difference
    between the racquet we got and you got?
    ROGER FEDERER: Very similar. I asked
    them to do the same one, because in the
    beginning there was some changes, some
    differences...


    Q. I thought you had a much heavier
    racquet.
    ROGER FEDERER: I mean, I adjust the
    weighting just a little bit so all the racquets are
    identical on the weight. I don't think they're far off
    from what they selling in the shop, yeah. Because
    I wanted the fan to be able to play with basically
    the same racquet. I didn't like it that maybe in the
    past, years and years ago, that it wasn't exactly the
    same
     
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  45. Povl Carstensen

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    I think he's talking about the K, but thats just my belief...
     
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  46. BreakPoint

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    That's why Federer answered - "very similar" - instead of answering "exactly the same". The BLX 90 is indeed "very similar" to the K90, but not exactly the same.
     
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    Wow this is like debating evolution with religious fanatics (here being the K90 conspiracy supporters).

    No matter how much evidence you provide to these fanatics, logics, words straight from Federer's mouth or even playtests from other players, the only way you can convince these people is put them on a court with Federer, watch him play a perfect game, then hand them the racquet straight from Federer while it's still hot! come on this is getting ridiculous!

    Obviously to these fanatics whatever Federer uses is closer to whatever racquet they like. Because it twist them inside out if they know Federer is not using the same racquet they use. How could Federer have forsaken them! It doesn't make any sense!

    Is it really that hard to believe that a player can switch from K90 and BLX90 and still play well? personally I think 1HBH works better with a BLX90 because of its flex around the hoop, it just feels better to hit a 1HBH with BLX90. Federer seems to be much more confident with his BH after he switches to BLX90 compare to his error proned backhand when he was with K90. So it makes sense to me that he switched.
     
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  48. film1

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    I do not think he uses the k90 but a lot of great players in the top 1000 sure do.
     
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    It's nice when Roger talks about his racquets as it's not something he does very often
     
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  50. BreakPoint

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    "Error prone backhand with the K90"? Really? Is that why Federer won 15 Grand Slams using the K90?

    His backhand this year (after switching to the BLX90 paintjob) is that same as it ever was (with the K90 under that various Tour 90 paintjobs). The only time his backhand may have been better was when he was using the PS 6.0 85 (prior to 2002).
     

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