Which retail Wilson Tour 90 is closest to FEDERER's actual racquet?

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  1. lbjames23

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    What a great post. Thanks. Can you show us the bu$$ caps of 1 and 3 ? they must be the pre 2007 b cup right ?
    the k95 pj s really an eye opening. K90 is very nice and demanding but the feel is just incredible.
     
  2. lbjames23

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    it s Thursday now , where r the pictures ?
     
  3. suppawat

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    Butt cap 1 - 3 look like this.

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  4. lbjames23

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    YOU ARE THE MAN !!! thanks again for the pics, you ve got some "Pro" stuff. LOL. just kidding, those are very nice. btw, how can I make the k90 to play like the first one? I mean, is it possible (i find k90 a bit stiff thru out)??
     
  5. henryshli

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    Thank you guys, it's nice to finally be able to find out how the pro tour 90s feel like to play with and insights into the racket composition. Way better than those who post pictures of their collection to show off. If there was a 90 sq ps85 ( if you know what I mean) would that be the closest thing?
     
  6. li0scc0

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    HAHA, it's JoelDali/Jolly. Classic sarcasm!
     
  7. AlpineCadet

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    ^^^^^WIN! 10char
     
  8. morten

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    Yes ... That would be closest...
     
  9. Povl Carstensen

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    Ok, cool. My semi bad...
     
  10. Povl Carstensen

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    Yes, what happened, cat got your pictures?
     
  11. lbjames23

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    don bother to ask, the guy disappeared after the "allegerd"bragging
     
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  13. double barrels

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    I played with the new flat beam 90 last night and boy did that thing feel real pure, I wouldn't be suprised if federer is using that exact same stick with his usual specs. This frame feels better than any other 90 since the tour.
    However, I was watching Indian wells and i thought FOR SURE that Federer is not playing with a 90 inch frame, it looks something close to a 93-95 inch mold
     
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    Federer's game has picked up in the last 4-5 months, and I think part of the reason is he's finally playing with just a slightly bigger frame than what he used to
     
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    A somewhat entertaining thread

    You have the conspiracy theorists on one side and the trusties on the other. I have been convinced at times that I played better because of a type of string or new racquet. I sometimes believe half half the battle is the convincing ourselves of these placebo affects. I wounder how I will feel tomorrow after I try that new string/racquet.
     
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  16. gloumar

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    Well, I thought that at the time he won bercy... His racquet seemed larger to me ! There is a thread about this on TT, but most think it's not the case.
    When you look at pics, it is not obvious at all, I dt think we could figure it out from pics and video.

    I think Federer had just a great work on his footwork, because it seems to me to have really improved from a few months back. He is really fit and reactive now ! Look at this incredible point in IW against Nadal, where federer adjusts so perfectly to the ball in spite of a stormy wind that makes it move really weird. It must be in the highlights... Incredible point !

    I do remember outdoor finals during which the conditions used to upset federer alot, making frame alot of balls and we could see he couldn't deal with it as good as nadal. It doesn't seem the case anymore.
    Federer will win the French Open once again this year ! agains Nadal ! :D
    (hopefully)
     
  17. lbjames23

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    I don mind hitting with a PS 92--93 LOL. helps roger, helps me. LOL just kidding
     
  18. sportsfan1

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    It's probably been said many times already, but anyways, Fed's PS 6.1 is a cool looking racquet, except for the remnants of the BLX gold and black which are gaudy.
     
  19. Fate Archer

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    Did someone get or verify the pics of Donnaypro? Any updates?

    @suppawat, nice pics, thanks for posting.

    I wonder how you got your pro stock racquet. Are you a professional or pro/teacher?

    I wonder how this changes the TTW universal concept of Fed's racquet simply being a retail [k]90 tour with some custom modifications if some of these 90' pro frames play differently and likely have a slightly different internal structure.
     
  20. ART ART

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    Check this : h**p://stringforum.net/board/showthread.php?t=6624

    Larger than 90" and the specs are close to those I checked some time ago, and posted here.
     
  21. donnaypro

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    Strong words from someone who has never even set eyes on a pro mold frame. Are you that desperate to see it?
     
  22. donnaypro

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    Fabfed, I've sent the pics to your email...thanks
     
  23. Povl Carstensen

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    Just asking...
     
  24. Fabfed

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    I just checked, didn't get any email from you. Did you send to someone else?
     
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    He uses a racquet we can't all buy, I can confirm this
     
  26. Bobby Jr

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    Please elaborate how can you confirm this.
     
  27. Bobby Jr

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    This thread is starting to remind me of the one last year when a couple of people claimed he changed to a larger head size for a Davis Cup match. They even posted photos claiming their proof by pointing out the frames had 18 mains...

    BUT, even after overlaying lines on the strings to count them - showing it was still 16 mains - they wouldn't accept that they had the count wrong.

    Federer uses what he uses... For all intents and purposes it has been the K6.1 Tour in various paint jobs for at least 6 years now. Perhaps the lay-up is special, I tend to think so, but the head size - from the many pictures posted previously of his actual frames by Fabfed indicate it's still the 90sq in head size.

    Having used all of the K6.1 Tour, the BLX and the new PLX Prostaff versions and being a 25+ year user of the original PS85 I can say with a lot of certainty that the only one which feels remotely close to the PS85 is the K6.1 Tour. To me, that gives a bit more weight to the notion that he uses something very close to that frame, which is a much closer progression from the feel of the PS85 than either the BLX or the current one. (especially the BLX which was vastly different in feel/sound).
     
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  28. dr325i

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    I agree -- he has not played any official matches with any test rackets.
    However, he has been practicing with different ones. A friend of mine has trained with him in 2010 and had one of his 93 sq in test rackets, painted as BLX90...
     
  29. ART ART

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    Last season/year in the Davis Cup, Federer did use this 93" mold, agains't Rui Machado from Portugal.

    He did also use this 93" mold, in some games last year in clay.

    This season/year I can't confirm it.
     
  30. dr325i

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    unless you held it and laid it over the 90, there is absolutely no way to spot the 3 sq in difference from the pictures/video.
    How do you know the stuff you claim for sure?
     
  31. Bobby Jr

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    The only evidence offered of any note to support this was the string count which some claimed... But when the photos were looked at closely and counted properly, showed the string count was the same.

    Ad Dr325i says above, the chance of you or anyone being able to tell the difference between a 90 and 93" mould via photos from a match is almost nil.

    Someone here actually did some high-res scans of frames to work out their exact headsize and some which were 3 or 4 inches different when overlayed had something like 5mm difference in hoop width/height. An amount which no-one could ever see live and claim with any certainty.

    The sharpness, contrast and brightness of a photo, as well as depth of field and angle of the racquet would all affect how it appeared and would make reliable size comparisons almost impossible.

    Saying he's tested other sized frames is also a bit of a non-event - he's almost certainly done it every year he's been involved with Wilson... he's probably tested their tweener and 100" frames too. Their association is so close of course they'd have at least one or two closed sessions a year to get his feedback/input on prototypes.
     
  32. ART ART

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    Maybe I held it ... the same way I could measure the specs.

    More "dethails" ? ... you're the one that knows everything around here, so maybe you can use all your "intelligence" and "know how", to figure it out.

    And once again ... you're right !!!!!

    Congrats!!!

    PS: have you already manage to get to the presidence?
    With all your kindness, and gently comments, you must give it a go, I bet you would be a very nice new Stalin!
     
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  33. dr325i

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    You can play dumb, or you can try to answer a question and convince a few on this board...

    So, again, there is absolutely no way to see it from the pictures. How else you can back up your claim.

    Go to stringforum and you can see the overlay of the RF actual 93 sq in test racket and the 90 retail. The differences are very minor...
     
  34. dr325i

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    Specs???
    The guy who posted it is an ATP Pro, a friend of mine (he was as high as 76 in 2010).
    He altered the specs to fit his own game, (maybe) nothing to do with previous Fed set up... He used the racket for some time...
     
  35. donnaypro

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    whats your email again? my email is donnay_pro at yahoo...if it's easier just email me and i'll reply to it...thanks
     
  36. Hollywood2

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    Thanks for all the info Povl. I'm just demoing a PS BLX 6.1 90 and it needs about 3 grams of weight at 12 o'clock as it is too head light. I've been playing with an nCode 6.1 90 for many years at 47 pounds stringing weight but the weight in the head is much heavier.

    This should help me with my purchase and how to customize it. Could you provide info on how the K-factor 90 vs the PS BLX 90 compare if you have any experience in terms of feel and head weight. Thanks.
     
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    From the look of the pictures of a stash of Federer rackets on P1's website, it is just a few inches of 1/4" lead tape, which would mean its down to one-two grams or something (I forgot how much 1/4" is per inch...).
     
  39. Hollywood2

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    Awesome thanks for all the info.

    I bought the PS BLX 90 today and strung it with the Wilson Championship Choice string package with comes with the Wilson Natural Gut for the mains (47.5lbs) and the Luxilon Alu Power Rough for the crosses (45lbs).

    I've strung my racquet before at 47lbs with the ncode 6.1 90 and love the power the lower tension brings giving me depth on shots that was too difficult to get with a 55+lbs strung racquet.

    I bought some lead tape as well and cut a small piece and placed it at the bumper, amazing how a very little more or less can change the dynamics of the racquet. I'll play against the wall and change the lead tape from 1g to 2g to test the feel.

    I used a food scale to weigh both my racquets the ncode 90 (strung) came in at 368g with Wilson overgrip. The PS BLX 90 with Wilson overgrip NO lead tape with strings came in at 363g. A gram or two to bring it at around 365g should be about what I'm looking for I think.

    Once again thanks for the info.

    Cheers.
     
  40. Povl Carstensen

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  41. FEDERERNADAL13

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    I got my hands on a ATP prostock from a certain high-profile player which is clearly bigger than 90, and smaller than 95. It hits like a dream! :)
     
  42. ART ART

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    :)
    More info about it ?
     
  43. FEDERERNADAL13

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    I can't give much :). It is 12.3 ounces, 93 square inches. It feels more solid than anything I've ever played with (my blx90 felt like a piece of cardboard in comparison). It seems like it was made for a one-handed backhand (I hit my backhand way deeper than usual). It made that beautiful "pop" sound every time I hit, whereas my usual rackets do not get that sound every time. It was heavier than my usual blxps95, but I found it very easy to adjust to the added weight (probably because I used to use the 90). My shots has more weight to them, which was an added bonus!

    The racket has a simple blx90 pj, but u can spot differences almost immediately! The throat seems shorter than my blx90, and the head size is obviously different.

    It's a very cool find :)
     
  44. ART ART

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    Did you get the balance point?

    Pics?
     
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    I'll try to post pics on the weekend, and the balance point I'm not quite sure how to do without a balance board.
     
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    For some odd reason I didn't believe you until I saw your signature, rofl.. I still feel skeptical though :oops::)
     
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    It's all good my friend :)
     
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    So, I'll post some comparison pics on the weekend, but I'll give you guys a taste for today. These pictures were sent to me a while back from my contact.

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    To check the balance:

    You can do it with a measuring tape, and 2 round pens. Just put the "0"(start) of the measuring tape between the 2 pens like this:

    _ | _

    | -> measuring tape
    _ -> pens

    and put the racket on top of the pens, just like in the balance board.

    Can you check inside the butcap, under the top of the grip(17cm) and under the grommets ?
     
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