Which retail Wilson Tour 90 is closest to FEDERER's actual racquet?

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  1. FEDERERNADAL13

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    Ok guys, here are some pictures I took:

    The first photo is of the racket on top of a standard BLX90, as a way to illustrate how it is indeed bigger:

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    Second, we have a photo of a BLXPS95 on top of the custom frame, so you can see that the 95 is indeed bigger:

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    Third, we have a photo of the throat of the racket, as it appears to be more compact than the usual BLX90:

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  2. FEDERERNADAL13

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    And lastly, we have a picture of the grip, clearly showing that it is custom molded:

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    It`s hard to tell, but the grip is shaved on one side (forcing me to keep the red side up when hitting), which helps with the grip on the 1HBH (this is the mold designed for Federer, if he is to switch, and the mold currently used by Dimitrov).

    @Art Art: I will try the balance test and report back shortly, and will look inside the butt-cap. I'm not exactly sure what you want me to do with the grip :)
     
  3. FEDERERNADAL13

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    It's a trap door buttcap, but appears to be glued shut (I can't open it). Sorry ART ART :(
     
  4. ART ART

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    Just remove a little bit the top of the grip, to see if there's any lead under it, at the top of the handle.

    Thanks
     
  5. FEDERERNADAL13

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    The balance works out to about 13.25 inches. What does this mean?
     
  6. ART ART

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    13.25inches = 33,6cm = 2,2 points head light.

    Did you check the top of the grip, to see if there's any lead ?

    PS: I sent you email
     
  7. FEDERERNADAL13

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    I don't want to take off the grip, as it is in great condition and is the same as when it was used by a pro. I hope this isn't too disappointing :)

    PS: I responded through my email :) I titled it "talk rackets"
     
  8. Bobby Jr

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    Nice... Have you ever taken the main grip off to confirm that the actual handle is lop-sided? If not what you show could easily be the way the main grip is wrapped. The starting point would seem to be on the side left side which is more bulgy so it would make sense.

    I have PS85s most with original leather grips and they're all a little lop-sided like that because of the way they wrap at the foot of the handle.
     
  9. Bobby Jr

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    Hope I don't get flamed for this but having looked at your photos I noticed your frame has a small inconsistency with the other images I can find of the frame - retail or in-use by pros.

    Look just above the grip on your frame there is a little registered trade-mark symbol > ®.

    However Dimitrov's frames, Federer's actual frames, my own BLX Tour, Wilson's own website and the Tennis Warehouse pics do not have that. They instead have "TM".

    >> Dimitrov holding his frame - Sept 2010 (high-res) > image
    >> Federer's actual frame (post on TT) > post
    >> Tennis warehouse pic from playtest > here
    >> Wilson adverts (high-res) > here
    >> Wilson's own website > link

    I wonder if this detail is of any significant with respect to Wilson or where the frame was made (or intended for) or with regards to which player you say it came from (maybe there is a special 'demo' supplier who marks them differently)?

    Many times elsewhere the ® and 'TM' are used almost interchangeably even though they have slightly different meanings - TM meaning you claim ownership of the trademark and ® meaning you have applied for, and been granted, a trademark. I.e. the use of ® would usually come later on if a trademark application was successful. It may be that Wilson alters its artwork when applications are approved - but that doesn't explain why Fed/Dimitrov etc have the TM on their frames - as do I on a frame bought very late in the product life-cycle - Oct last year.

    It still seems interesting that your frame doesn't match the Federer, Dimitrov, my, nor the retail/demo photos I can find.
     
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  10. FEDERERNADAL13

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    That's kinda cool :) The frame that Dimitrov is shown with could easily be a retail model that he was using for his video with Wilson, which may result in the difference.

    This is a frame used by a certain player during 2011. I can't give you a name, or I will lose my contact, but it was definitely used. Maybe Wilson did make this later in the year (the one you bought may still have been made earlier, just released later), for the player because he needed some new ones :)
     
  11. FEDERERNADAL13

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    Alright Guys, I've done a bit of work on getting stats for the racket, and here are the new (strung w/ overgrip) stats:

    Headsize: 93 sq. inches
    Length: 27 inches
    Weight: 12.3 oz (349g)
    Balance: 4 pts HL
    Swingweight- 342
    String Pattern: 16 X 19

    Hope this helps :)
     
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  12. Bobby Jr

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    This headsize thing is a mystery. Going by a previous poster who scanned and worked out the exact head area of some frames (here) - which showed they're not always even close to what is claimed - the gap in your photos between the 90 and 93, and 93 and 95 looks to be somewhat exaggerated by the angle of your photos.*

    A simple way to partially address this would be to take pit where the camera is centred in the middle of the string-bed, not at the throat as your photos are.. Or compare (measure with a ruler), at the longest point, the width and length of the string bed areas.

    *look at the apparent difference in the top of the hoop between the 90 to 93. The difference looks smaller than the gap between 93 to 95 - which is impossible unless camera distortion/angle is in play.
     
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  13. FEDERERNADAL13

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    These were the best photos I could take to illustrate the difference, and I think they should be enough to prove that there is indeed a difference. I'm done taking pictures for a while anyway :)

    Is there anything else I can help you with?
     
  14. ART ART

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    Hi, please check again the specs, first time:

    Balance: 13.25inches = 33,6cm = 2,2 points head light.
    weight: 12,3 oz

    Now:
    Balance: 4 pts HL
    Weight: 12.3 oz (339g !!!)
    Please check that 12.3oz = 349g

    This measures must be correct to get a real accurate swingweight value.

    Thanks ;)
     
  15. FEDERERNADAL13

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    I typed 339 wrong, my fault Art! It's all good.

    New swingweight: 342
     
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    Cool RACKET MATE!
     
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  17. Adidas_Anderson

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    Blx Prostock 93 is probably a Prestige 93 ?
    Grigor racket u have?
     
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    It has PWS.....


    10char
     
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    And Prestige is 89,5.
     
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    Fail question, thanks :)
     
  21. FEDERERNADAL13

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    Thanks :).....
     
  22. ART ART

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    @FEDERERNADAL13

    Hi!

    More news about that great racket ?

    Have you tryied other strings/tension ?

    Give us more feedback ;)

    Thanks
     
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    This head size mystery is headed to become a major headache of mine ahead of my exams .. cant anyone please clarify once and for all , what is the precise head size of Rogers bats ?
     
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    The one on the right.

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  25. GasquetGOAT

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    What racquet is this again? Pro stock 93 or Fed's actual racquet or both? Sorry I'm confused.:confused::-?
     
  26. gplracer

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    We may never know.... IF Roger is playing with a 93 the. It would kill the sales of the 90. Of course it Wilson could create a huge demand if Roger says he switched to the 93 and then ghey come out with a 93 model. I would love a 93. I did not like ghe light 95 pretender. To me it was a disappointment. I could never dial it in.
     
  27. FEDERERNADAL13

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    This racket is a prostock 93 racket, designed for Federer to try. He passed on it, so this mold is what is currently used by Grigor Dimitrov. :)
     
  28. FEDERERNADAL13

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    Fed is still using a 90 sq. inch frame. He tried the 93 version, didn't like it as much, and is still with his usual frame (2012 PJ of course ;) ).
     
  29. aimr75

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    I have 3 of these 93 Sq inch dimitrov frames in his custom grip size. There is some lead at the top of the handle. here are 2 of them:

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  30. ART ART

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    Nice :)

    Can you tell the specs of those rackets ?

    Thanks a lot!
     
  31. gplracer

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    How did you get them?
     
  32. Praetorian

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    ^^^ Inquiring minds need to know ^^^

    :)
     
  33. drakulie

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    Doubtful.

    Wilson would sell A LOT more frames if he switched to a 93 and they released it. The 90 is just not as good of a seller as a larger frame.
     
  34. aimr75

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    I have moved house so when i get settled i will get the specs and a review as to how they play. I can say they are more flexible than the tour90's and more powerful.

    I was told by the guy i got them off that the flex is 61 and it does feel soft.

    Someone who i did a trade with has contacts in Wilson
     

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