Which was a better performance?

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Which was the better performance? Fed or Nole?

Poll closed Mar 23, 2013.
  1. Nole vs Ferrer SF AO'13

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  2. Fed vs Roddick SF AO'07

    85.1%
  1. Apun94

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    Nole vs Ferrer SF AO'13
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    Fed vs Roddick SF AO'07
    Obv both were playing ridiculous tennis in these matches. Everything they hit somehow went in. The opponents were quality...
    P.S. PLEASE try to be unbiased
     
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  2. Sid_Vicious

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    Well, lets compare.

    Federer vs Roddick 2007 AO

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    Djokovic vs Ferrer 2013 AO

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    I swear, websites are regressing. What is the point of those stupid bars in the middle of the stats. Seriously, keep it clean.
     
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  3. falstaff78

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    I picked Fed over Roddick. The reason for this is Fed's superior aggressive margin.

    Aggressive margin is a statistic which captures how aggressively a player played. It calculates the net number of points won by aggressive play. Formula = (Winners + Opponent's forced errors - Own unforced errors) / total points played. It is explained further in this thread and [URL="http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_24691_original.PDF]this document[/URL]

    1. In the Fed Roddick match, 51% of points in the match ended in a Fed winner or in Roddick making a FORCED error. 9% ended in Fed making an unforced error. Which gives Fed an aggressive margin of 51% - 9% = 42%. The comparable numbers for Novak were 42% - 13% = 29%.

    2. Another way of looking at the stats is to ask what percent of each player's points were won through aggressive play as opposed to an opponent unforced error. Fed won 78% of his points through aggressive play, whereas Novak won 62%.
     
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  4. Magnetite

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    Definitely Fed over Roddick, although Djokovic was ridiculous as well.
     
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  5. Steve0904

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    Well considering Roddick on a HC is much better competition than Ferrer, I'm saying Fed over Roddick in all honesty.
     
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  6. joeri888

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    Both were ridiculous. But Fed for the insane impact on a in form Roddick's serve.
     
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  7. 90's Clay

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    Nole's.


    Ferrer is a much tougher opponent to completely blow off the court in Australia then Roddick was
     
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  8. tudwell

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    Good God, you actually believe the weak era crap you spew everywhere? I thought that was just obvious trolling. Ferrer is not even in the same ballpark as Roddick - never has been and never will be. You are so biased it's physically painful to watch. You're gonna hurt yourself with those mental gymnastics.
     
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  9. Steve0904

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    The worst (or best) part of all this is that the Fed trolls will complain about him winning another poll convincingly while conveniently ignoring that Federer over Roddick is probably the correct choice anyway.
     
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  10. Carsomyr

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    He only says that because it's Fed.

     
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  11. Steve0904

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    No, not exactly. He changes what he wants to say based on the situation. If Roddick is used to bring down Sampras's era he will call Roddick a talentless hack.
     
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  12. Carsomyr

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    Honestly, it would just be safer to call everyone in this era a "talentless MUG", including Djokovic and Nadal, because there's the possibility that one or both will encroach upon Sampras' place in history.
     
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  13. borg11

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    really?

    not in the same ballpark?

    http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=F401&oId=R485

    really?

    yeah, and the era was weak, andy roddick being a major proof for this theory. So, gs champion and multiple finalist (2002-2006) manages just one more gs final in remaining years on tour (2007-2012), or, as someone might add, in the strong era. Retires at the age of 30 (not 33) with no big injuries. I would say the era was weak.



     
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  14. NatF

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    Federer's perfromance was better, more winners and less unforced errors. Roddick is a better player than Ferrer too, he actually went into the match with some belief. Ferrer looked like he was resigned to his fate from the beginning. Ferrer doesn't have a weapon like Roddicks serve to help him either.
     
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  15. Carsomyr

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    Ferrer's won just two sets in the five GS semis he's played, and has just one win over the Big 4 in GS play. Meanwhile, Roddick has beaten Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray at the majors, the latter two after they had achieved top 5 status.
     
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  16. Steve0904

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    Yes, really, not in the same ballpark. Roddick's HC resume trumps Ferrer's by a good bit, and bringing up H2H is a poor way to compare that, but it seems to be the default for everyone around here when facts get in the way.
     
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  17. NatF

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    Yep apparently h2h negates the grand slam title, the multiple masters and the grand slam finals Roddick has over Ferrer.
     
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  18. dudeski

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    Obvious troll is obvious.
     
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  19. Nickzor

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    Easily Fed, alright ferrers a tough opponent no doubt, but roddick serving at a high percentage and still getting completely smoked! He may not be the greatest server of all time but undeniably year after year he'd always finish top 3 for service games held, and he served very well in that match, Ferrer always struggles to hold serve against the Big 4 and other top 10 players, yet roddick in his prime could hold serve quite comfortably against the top players, being that his serve is so much stronger then Ferrers, I think David is rather weak in terms of holding serve, he doesnt serve very fast and can't really get free points of serve like Roddick could
     
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  20. dudeski

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    Plus Roddick said himself he was closing the gap :)
     
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    Fed vs Roddick SF AO'07.

    It's not even close.

    Fed won AO 2007 without dropping a set. GOAT-like.
     
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  22. borg11

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    I don't even think that Ferrer is better hard courter than Roddick. I just don't think that someone can have 7:4 h2h, without being on the same level as his opponent. It just doesn't make sense.

    If u look it up, I enlisted almost every advantage Roddick has over Ferrer.
     
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  23. Start da Game

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    try watching roland garros 2008 final.......
     
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  25. akv89

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    It's safe to say that Roddick and Ferrer will not be mentioned as part of the same tier in terms of their career achievements when all is said and done.
    32 titles for Roddick vs. 19 (and counting) for Ferrer
    612-213 record for Roddick vs 500-248 (currently) for Ferrer
    A major title and several finals + a handful of masters for Roddick

    Most of their matches have occurred during or after 2007, at which point Roddick had already peaked and Ferrer, as a late bloomer, was just about to enter his, despite the similarities in their ages. There were no matches between them that occurred in 2003-2004 and only one in 2005, years when Roddick was truly in his prime.
     
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  26. Rock Strongo

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    I think his shoulder finally decided to call it a day. When playing exo's now, he's not serving over 120 mph ever. He's not even reaching 120 at all.
     
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    They were both one sided and in both cases the losing player could have played better.
     
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  29. Sid_Vicious

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    Roddick, in his prime, was twice the player Ferrer ever has been. In 2003, Roddick one Montreal, Cincinnati, and the US Open back to to back. That is 19 consecutive victories on the masters and GS level. This something neither Federer nor the strong era boys have ever been able to accomplish in the American summer HC events. He actually displayed an outstanding amount of competence on his favorite surfaces like USO/Wimbledon, something Ferrer has never been able to do on any surface.

    So, yes, Roddick is a far superior player than Ferrer despite the h2h. Using h2h as a benchmark would lead to ridiculous conclusions. Do you think Safin is not much better than Santoro? He is 2-7 in h2h.
     
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  30. 90's Clay

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    Roddick was subpar at best in Australia. Ferrer is somewhat formidable there. Moreso then Roddick ever was
     
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  31. Rock Strongo

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    Four semifinals and two quarters isn't too shabby compared to Ferrer's two+two, so I don't see where the subpar thing comes in...
     
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  32. rafafan20

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    Winning 36 out of 65 on Roddick's serve is bananas
     
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  33. President

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    People's impressions of Roddick have been clouded by the last 2 years of his career, he was a very good player in his prime. Ferrer is getting underrated in this thread though, he's been great over the past 2 years and overall may end up with more GS SF's than Roddick did actually. They are the same age too, Roddick just declined at age 28 while Ferrer actually improved at the same age.
     
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  34. BrooklynNY

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    Total Points Won

    Federer 83
    Roddick 45


    Djokovic 85
    Ferrer 41

    About even, Djokovic slightly better
     
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  35. Djokodal Fan

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    Stats shows one of the LADDUs that Federer in got in his finals during weak era bashing period of 2003-2007.
     
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  36. DragonBlaze

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    Breaking Roddick's 7 times is a bit more impressive than breaking Ferrer's 7, especially 2007 Roddick (not the last 2 years or so).
     
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  37. Djokodal Fan

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    Roddick would not even 1 semis in current era.

    But so is Ferrer, who got some free passes in the absence of Nadal (Well AO 2011 is an exception)
     
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  38. MasturB

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    lol.

    Federer was hitting god-like shots in that match.

    Backhand slice passing shots, flick half-volley passes, buggy whip forehands making Roddick look like a little boy.

    Not to mention that was a Roddick that had just played him a few months ago in the USO final and was playing with major confidence.

    I even remember Roddick trying to hit the ball out of Laver, and then he yelled out "GOD D-----T!, ohh sorry god"
     
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  39. abmk

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    clueless ..total clueless

    roddick is 38-11 @ the AO with 4 SFs, 2 QFs

    ferrer is 28-11 @ the AO with 2 SFs ( wouldn't have reached the 2nd one without a mega-choke from almagro ) , 2 QFs

    roddick survived younes al ayanoui's brilliance in AO 2003 QF, had a close battle with a resurgent safin in AO 2004, beat an in-form ancic in AO 2007, beat djoker in AO 2009(who retired ), survived a zoning gonzalez in AO 2010 ....

    and ferrer ? beat an injured nadal in AO 2011, that's about it

    its a no-contest IMO, roddick's level of play & record was wayyyyy better @ the AO ...
     
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  40. NEW_BORN

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    This is a retarded statement :-?
     
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    Djokovic is not getting enough credit here. He showcased some ridiculous skills in the SF.

    Forehand winner DTL from way outside the court

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kqo0Y4_9Udc#t=535s

    This is just an obnoxious display of skill.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kqo0Y4_9Udc#t=573s

    And more examples of extremely crisp and huge hitting

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kqo0Y4_9Udc#t=591s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kqo0Y4_9Udc#t=670s
     
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  43. Hodgey20

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    Tough to pick. If you go by the stats Nole's stats are a little bit more dominant than feds higher 1st serve win% and 2nd serve win %. few more total points won, and 0 break pt opps for ferrer 1 for roddick.

    Both were just absurd blowouts
     
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