Who are the best Freshman coming in next year?

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  1. tball2day

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  2. tennisnoob3

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    i cant.

    whats his usta national rank?
     
  3. ClarkC

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    I don't think you know how the ranking system works. Search the threads here for more explanations. All matches count, but there is also a weighting of your top 8 wins. If Stineman's top 8 wins included wins over 5 star recruits who are younger than he, then he would not be a high blue chip. It looks to me like Stineman's top 8 wins include 1 win over an older blue chip (Bernstein), 4 wins over blue chips his age (2 over Wyatt McCoy, 1 each over Hunter Reese and Hunter Callahan), and the other three top 8 wins would be over younger blue chips or same-age 5 stars, depending on who is higher in the absolute rankings that we don't see.

    With a 22-0 record against 5 stars, and undefeated also against 4/3/2 stars, he looks like he should be ranked as a high blue chip.

    But, you could always name someone who is below him who should be above him. That would help us evaluate the TRN rankings.
     
  4. bfactor61

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    what about John Morrissey? reached a career high of 30 in the world. For stanford morrissey is sneaking under the radar as a stud
     
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    Julen Uriguen at Virginia was #4 in the world once. You have to see what they do when they get in school.
     
  6. Vicious Vik

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    no one cares about junior rankings stop pimping that. Did you know that todor Even was once the world #1 in juniors and beat Gasquet,Murray and others?
     
  7. Vicious Vik

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    what about Evan Song? where is he going? Great player
     
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    I don't think he will be going to college.. his goal is to be pro...
     
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    I hear working for dad is long term plan so college not important, I think tennis may be fading quickly in terms of priority.
     
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    We seemed to have undervalued Connor Smith of Ohio State. 2 decent wins in the all-americans
     
  11. socaltennnis

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    He has good experience from 2 seasons at Florida State playing mostly at no. 3. That should add to OSU's depth.
     
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    That is higher than Donald Young. He could carry the team to the championships this year. With Klahn at #1, championships could be a Lock.
     
  13. socaltennnis

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    Being ranked 30 in juniors is not higher than being ranked 1 unless you meant numerically higher, then yes, 30 is higher than 1.
     
  14. Vicious Vik

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    Morrissey straight up sucks
     
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    lol how's that working out for ya?
     
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    Texas A&M adds Joshua Ward-Hibbert. He will be a solid top 6 player for the Aggies. The Aggies look to be pretty strong next season.
     
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    I don't know who is coming back from this year's team other than Junior Ore, who I believe will be a junior, but aTm already had a top 5 recruiting class this year with a number of American blue-chips already signed. Add in Ward-Hibbert, who won the boy's aussie open doubles this year, and aTm should be primed to contend for an SEC Championship in their first year in the league next season.
     
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    why do you say this?? Efferding and Withrow are top notch ,are they quitting the team or something?
     
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    I said that b/c I simply didn't know what their returning roster looked like, other than Junior Ore. That's all.
     
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    They new players are better though.
     
  21. ClarkC

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    There are tools called "search engines" that can help with this kind of information.
     
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    I know about search engines. If you read my post, you will see I wasn't asking anyone to provide the information I stated I didn't know. I was simply making an observation in my post that with their current recruiting class alone, which consists of two American top 10 players for this year's class, plus a top ITF world junior player, to go along with Junior Ore (who was also a top American/highly ranked ITF junior) and whoever else they may have returning, they will be one of the top teams in their new conference next season. That's all I was saying. I didn't say anyone was unexpectedly leaving the team and I didn't ask anyone to provide me any tidbit of information that could be found through a simple google search.
     
  23. SoCal10s

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    if you want a real assessment of freshmen ,TRN will not provide you with it.. maybe on the women's side but you need to look at those international players coming in.. IE: USC got a handfull of freshmen last year and the 2 that was a factor were Quiroz and Hanfmann,the other 3 are all super players and would have made some impact on any other team ,but USC was just too deep this year.. look for Peter Smith to recruit more international players to fill in for Johnson and Nguyen ,which won't register at TRN... Stanford always get the best rated ,but it's been too long since they made any waves at the national title ..
     
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    Gordon Watson will be on the court for the Gators this fall and he's good.
     
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    I read Clemson Tigers post about Kruguer possibly going pro, but if they can keep ward-hibbert (orange bowl and aussie open dubs winner) and vincent, they should still be loaded with recruits from last 2 classes. From a & m article:

    The 2011-12 recruiting class joins the likes of Blue Chip Aggie recruits such as sophomore Junior Ore who was ranked as high as No. 3 in the country, redshirt freshman Jackson Withrow who was ranked as high as No. 6 in the land, and current true freshman Jeremy Efferding who was ranked as high as No. 5.
     
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    Krueger into the semis of Wimbledon junior. He's had a pretty good showing this spring/early summer. Not sure if there is anything official on him going pro or not, but given his recent results, I don't think anyone could fault him if he decided to give the pro route a shot.
     
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    Even though I am a Virginia fan, not a Texas A&M fan, I hope Krueger plays at least one year of college. I think it is the best thing for just about every American junior player. If he were guaranteed to go undefeated in NCAA tennis and be bored to death, that would be a different story.
     
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    Anyone heard or seen in action these new recruits for Stanford?
    Nolan Paige
    Anthony Tsodikov

    I hope there's really good because Stanford lost their 2 top players this year, and my worst nightmare is to see Kandath play #1 next season...!!!
     
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    Nolan Paige will not play ahead of Kandath. Trey Strobel and Tsodikov are similar in ability to Paige. The Polish recruit is the wild card, but #1 as a freshman would probably be a stretch.

    Stanford will have a deep team but will not have elite guys like Clayton, Klahn, and Thacher available in the top half of the lineup. Third place in the Pac-12 would be an excellent season for them.
     
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    Has anyone heard this rumor that Harrison Adams is changing his commit to Texas A&M???
     
  31. tball2day

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    I don't know him, but I see it's just a verbal on his profile, so that's certainly easy to change.
     
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    Until they enroll it is easy to change. No rules against decommitting from a Letter of Intent. Unethical maybe, but not a binding agreement.
     
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    It should actually be fun going to a few "Standford" matches this year. I think 3rd in the very deep Pac12 (10, 8 whatever) would be a good showing.
     
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    False. Rules can be found at the NCAA letter of intent page.

    However, Adams has apparently not signed an LOI.
     
  35. ClarkC

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    I suppose that Mitchell Krueger turning pro could have freed up scholarship money at Texas A&M. Still, Harrison Adams is from Austin and supposedly has been interested in Texas for a long time. He wanted to start in January at Texas. We will see how this plays out.
     
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    Harrison Adams tweeted "For anyone who didn't know already I have changed my commitment from UT to A&M." I wonder if his plan is to still go to school in January.
     
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    Thanks for posting Clark. Yes, only verbals can be changed "easily," (still a lot of angst and emotion involved generally even to change a verbal). But the NLOI is a contract, and while not impossible, much more difficult to undo without serious repercussions.
     
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    Now he needs to edit his TRN page. :)
     
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    Social media seems to be the first things kids report to these days...
     
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    That may be, however it runs contrary to multuple coaches I've spoken with recently. One of them has been a head coach for over 30 years and currently at a top 10 program year in and year out.
     
  42. 10isplayer

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    He won't be arriving at UNC till next august
     
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    This has been the situation with an LOI in all sports for decades. I think you had a communication problem with the coaches you spoke to.
     
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    I always admire the way you put things when in disagreement. I'll go back and confirm my communication problem. Ha ha
     
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    Tsodikov lost 1st round @K-Zoo already he's still in the back draw..the kid who beat him lost(retired)the next round..
     
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    Hey Clark,

    I have liked your previous analyses on each year's big 3 potential recruits who have the ability to immediately impact a team's lineup. For this past college season, the best possible recruits you indicated were Jack Sock, Mitchell Frank, and Marcos Giron. I was wondering who you thought the best possible 3 recruits were this year? Was it Bjorn Fratangelo, Mitchell Kruger, and Mac Styslinger? and Who do you think are the big 3 for this next recruiting season?
     
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    Well Redlicki just beat styslinger in kalamazoo so he has to be considered in that list.
     
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    yeah, #2 seed at the zoo, with wins over the likes of ouellette, simmonds, venus, and former illini ruben gonzales (twice) in the past three months...probably belongs in that list
     
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    This year, the big three all turned pro: Fratangelo, Peliwo, Krueger. That is pretty unusual. I think that leave a lot of very good players who were originally in the #4-#8 range, and we will have to see which ones become the best this spring. None of the guys who actually went to college were in the elite level where people are speculating that they might skip college. That is not to say that none of them will be college stars, because a couple probably will.

    This year, it looks like Ronnie Schneider (early UNC commit), Mackenzie McDonald (northern California kid), and Connor Farren (also northern California, been sick lately, I think), although the group right behind them has some guys who are very competitive with them. Will be interesting to see if Stanford can keep one of the northern Cal elite kids home.
     

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