Who are/were the least aced players ?

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  1. vive le beau jeu !

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    who do you think are (or were) the least aced players ?
    Nb: it's, of course, not necessarily about the best returners (i think agassi, for instance, despite being a great returner, was still getting decently showered with aces).

    on the ATP website, stats are available for the aces served... but not for the aces eaten (although it could be reconstructed).

    monfils appears to be an interesting case (probably due sur his speed and long reach) as he already left some great servers aceless during entire matches, even if i also remember him getting abundantly aced by isner (i know i know, who doesn't -just ask ark_28- ... but still !).
    (in his case, maybe his returning abilities are even more dependant on the surface factor than for other players ?)

    some examples:
    • roddick l. to monfils (poertschach 2007, QF, clay): 75 63, 0 ace
    • karlovic l. to monfils (monte-carlo 2008, R32, clay): 76 61, 0 ace
    • federer d. monfils (monte-carlo 2008, R16, clay): 63 64, 0 ace

    i'll let you analyse federer, djokovic, etc. (including former pros) and come up with interesting examples ! :)
     
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  2. tennisdad65

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    Edberg..
    tall guy with amazing reflexes and reach. used continental so no grip change.

    currently its Fed or Novak.. Novak is taller, more flexible and faster, but Feds reflexes and 1hbh make up for it.
     
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  3. tacou

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    I remember Monfils having some crazy aceless days, but I bet Fed is way up there. Seeing him play Roddick so many times specifically and just chipping return after return back, completely unphased by pace or placement.

    Djokovic and Murray are world class returners, some of the best ever, but I'm not sure how good they are in terms of not being aced.
     
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  4. Moose Malloy

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    Henman seemed pretty good at this
     
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  5. akv89

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    Of the current group, I'd pick Federer, Murray, and Monfils.
     
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    Some people do exaggerate how well Federer returned the serve of Roddick; Roddick never really went for huge serves against Federer a lot; He tried to go out wide in most of their matches, I'd wager Roddick probably got roughly around the same amount of free points he did against Federer on his first with the serving patterns he gave him (like I've said, majority out wide) as he did against most players (although he rarely went out wide against anyone else).


    As for the answer, Monfils probably, but on clay standing further back than Nadal it's hard to not get aced. I do think people are praising this record of Monfils when really his return is actually more of a hindrance than help. Don't understand his court positioning sometimes.
     
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  7. Cup8489

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    When Roddick went up the T, this happened.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxzFlrFfUrg
     
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  8. Anaconda

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    That one video doesn't tell the whole story as the first two sets were tiebreaks with Roddick having the only break point until 2-2 in the third set. Federer broke Roddick more than anyone because he could return his 2nd better than anyone and literally played amazing every time they entered a rally, I've never seen Federer pull of so many clutch plays against one man.
     
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    That's part of it though. He never let roddick have any free points. Roddick had good serving days against Federer and got to TB's. He had good serving days and lost sets 6-0 too.
     
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  10. Romismak

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    If we are talking here about player who is really difficult to be aced -than i would say also Monfils- i think he is only player against Ivo had 0 aces in match.

    Federer is overrated, if you look stats many players have their normal-average ace counts vs him - nice example is Raonic they played 4x in last year and Milos had a ton of aces just like in other matches, also Ivo had many aces vs him in career - Roddick is different - Roger just owned that guy

    Basically guy who is difficult to be aced is someone with either great return, reflexes and of course standing far - Monfils have reflexes and is standing far.

    From top players i say Murray - in many matches players vs him have bellow average ace numbers, also he is in some matches outacing players that are normally outacing others - 1st - he is able to ,,catch,, serve that would be ace and 2ndly he has decent 1st serve by himself.

    Also not ace someone doesn´t need much i mean 1 player can ,,catch,, 15 bombs that would be aces vs other guy, but 14 ends up being unreturnable serve either way and 15th serve would be ,,easy,, point that ends up on service line for easy FH winner.

    My pick is Murray, you can check stats, really big servers have bellow average stats on serve- ace numbers and he is regularly outacing better servers than himself - or guys with higher ace-ratio per 1st serve IN
     
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  11. Anaconda

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    Uh, yes, Roddick did get free points against Federer. It was the fact Federer (unlike everyone else) was unreal against Roddick from the baseline. Other than Bangkok 04 where Roddick was injured, the only 6-0 set I can remember was 'that' match in 2007. Roddick wasn't having a good serving day at all; He did nothing right that match. He would have lost against most top players that match. Federer played much better at the US Open 2007 and actually 2006 (and Roddick was great despite somehow losing in straights and 4 lol). If Roddick playedwell, he normally put up a good fight; W 04/09, US 06/07. Sometimes he'd play BS like Wimbledon 2003/05 and AO 07/09 and lose in straights. I think he could have won at least one encounter if he kept his forehand though.
     
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    roddick actually played well in Wim 03 SF, but federer was too good that day ..

    he also played decent in AO 07, but federer was just in the zone ...

    wim 05, he wasn't that good, compared to 04 and even 03 , I agree

    AO 09, he played an ok 2nd set, but only started swinging away in the 3rd set .....

    and yes, roddick got much less free points on serve vs federer when compared to what he got vs almost any other player ...
     
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    lol, wut ? I'm sure it has nothing to do with federer's return declining, right ? :roll:

    it wasn't just roddick, at fed's peak, most of the other big servers : karlovic, ljubicic,soderling, phillippoussis and even others like safin, fish,berdych,ancic etc didn't get many free points off their serve vs him ..
     
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  14. Cesc Fabregas

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    How can can your return decline? :-?
     
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    eh ? diminishing reflexes, anticipation ?
     
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  16. Cesc Fabregas

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    Maybe reflexes but your anticipation should improve with experience.
     
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  17. Anaconda

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    Roddick was without his first serve in 2003, he did well to nearly win that first set.


    I actually think Schuettler and Monfils picked up the serve as well as Federer; Although Schuettler's record over Roddick was good, neither had the dominating performances like 4-0-2 because Federer was efficient from the ground.



    Like I've said, Roddick primarily went out wide against Federer, Federer has a long wingspan and good reactions. They covered this at W09; A match where I think Roddick got more free points on serve than he did aganst anyone because he went down the T and at the body (same goes for Federer too).
     
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  18. Anaconda

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    Federer's reach has declined in the last couple of seasons. His footwork isn't as explosive which hinders the 1H BH main advantage over the 2H BH return; reachability; Federer's declined footwork meant that he couldn't push off as fast as he would like.
     
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  19. TennisCJC

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    Fed, Djoko, and Monfils.
     
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    Roddick never made a lot of aces in his matches, so this is not a big argument for Fed. I would say Murray, Monfils and Henman.
     
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