Who deserves the last spot/spots in London?

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  1. Boing-Flip

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    Jo-Wilfried Tsonga?

    Nikolay Davydenko?

    Fernando Verdasco?

    Gilles Simon?

    Robin Soderling?

    Fernando Gonzalez?
     
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  3. mtr1

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    Roddick, Tsonga, Daveydenko.
     
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  4. Blinkism

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    ^^ that's right, Roddick didn't qualify, yet - he should, though

    Verdasco, Soderling, and Gonzalez all went deep into slams this year so they should get it - on a grand slam basis.
     
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  5. Boing-Flip

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    yh i agree.
    i didnt put roddick in cos he basically qualified
    :):):):)
     
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  6. statto

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    If we assume Roddick qualifies, then I'd like to see the last two places go to Gonzalez and Soderling based on their slam performances. Next most deserving is Verdasco, then Tsonga.

    I'd rather see Monfils make it than any of the others in the OPs list.
     
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  7. statto

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    Forgot to say - I have a vested interest in this because I'm going for the afternoon and evening sessions on one of the round-robin days. :)
     
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  8. flyinghippos101

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    Soderling and Gonzalez for sure, toss up between Tsonga and Verdasco.

    A 100% hells no to Davydenko and Simon though, considering they did jack **** this year.
     
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  9. stapler

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    I wouldn't mind seeing any combo of Roddick, Tsonga, Gonzo, Solderling, or Soderling, maybe Verdasco, and definitely against Simon.
     
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  10. tennismsands

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    roddick, soderling, simon
     
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  11. vkartikv

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    We are not worthy of deciding who deserves to be in but I'd say Tsonga and Verdasco for marked improvement from last year and relative consistency.
     
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    tsonga, soderling
     
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  13. Boing-Flip

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    IM GOIN TO FINAL :)
    its omgzz
     
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  14. egn

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    Roddick. Verdasco. Then either Davy or Tsonga.

    Davy did ******** this year? lmao.

    Davy was out for the early part of the season and probably still did more than guys like Tsonga. Davy actually has the best year record out of all them 44-13 (77.1%) and second most wins behind Tsonga who is 48-16 (77.5%). He has just as many titles as Tsonga. Sorry Gonzo and Soderling did nice in slams but outside of that all year it was mediocore. It's for the top 8 players of the year not the top 8 in slams.
     
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  15. Boing-Flip

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    yh very true
    they have to perform all around, not just in slams
    which they do, im not dissing any one :)
     
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  16. MethodTennis

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    or if you win a slam you get in in place of world no 8 so you could be 70th in the world loss in 1st 2nd rounds of all other toruns but win FO and make the cut for the tourn
     
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  17. egn

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    I don't like that rule. Worst rule ever.
     
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    Tsonga and Soderling
     
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  19. vive le beau jeu !

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    unless they changed the rule recently, a slam winner still had to be in the top20 for making it to the masters cup.
    (it was like that since 2000)
     
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    To be fair, Soderling deserves it most.
     
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    I'd like to see Gonzalez there as he seems to do better in the big tournaments this year:)

    Davydenko is the opposite. Probably better winning record than the others, but rubbish in Grand Slam tournaments for some reason!
     
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  22. IvanAndreevich

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    Soderling or Tsonga for sure.
     
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  23. kishnabe

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    Tsonga and Verdasco for good tennis. Roddick is essentially accepted
     
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  24. JeMar

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    Just in terms of accomplishing the most this year, I'd say Soderling, Gonzalez, and Verdasco.
     
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  25. seffina

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    I want Cilic to get it, but not going to happen.

    Both Simon and Tsonga have a lot of points to defend, don't they between the two masters series? I've not really looked at any of the numbers.
     
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  26. hlkimfung

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    one on spot, no gurantee

    if slam winner that year are ranked 8,9,10,11 going into TMC, only no. 8 was in, no, 9 and 10 to be alternate, no 11 don't need to go

    Thomas Johansson ranked around 15 going into the TMC 2002.

    Costa was ranked 8, so he was in. Next up is Sampras.

    Pete need to be an alternative, so he didn't go

    TJ then show up as an alternate, Agassi pull out, and he play one match
     
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  27. Frankauc

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    its soderling and tsonga but i would like simon to make it
     
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  28. vive le beau jeu !

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    absolutely right ! :)
    the 2002 case was very unlikely... but it happened, and very soon after they created this rule !

    but something sounds a bit surprising to me in the rules:
    (from the 2009 ATP rulebook)

    so for instance, if the slam winners are ranked #3, #9, #14, #15 this year...
    the selection list is:
    1. #1
    2. #2
      [*]#3
    3. #4
    4. #5
    5. #6
    6. #7
    7. #9
    8. #14
    9. #8
    10. #10
    11. #11
    12. #12
    13. #13
    14. #15
    so even if 6 of the 14 first players on the selection list withdraw... the #15-ranked slam winner won't even play, whereas the #14-ranked slam winner only needs one withdrawal !


    and while we are talking about the masters cup rules, i'm still not sure about what happens if one of the players qualified for the SF withdraws after the RR stage... i didn't find this in the rules ! ;)
    (i know i know... each year, it's the same question... but i still don't have the answer !)
     
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  29. DreamKiller

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    I want to see Roddick,Gonzalez and Soderling.
     
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  30. BreakPoint

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    I'd say Soderling for making the finals of a Grand Slam this year.
     
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    richard gasquet, soderling.
     
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  32. DreamKiller

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    wow 25,000 posts................................
     
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  33. slice bh compliment

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    Soderling for his effort in the early summer, but Tsonga 'cause he's the best. It'll be interesting...the indoor season leading up to London. It's a weird time of year. The end, the injuries, the push to get in. Probably not always the best tennis, but I always tune in.

    Allez Jo!
     
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  34. crawl4

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    I think it would be good if Soderling and perhaps Verdasco were there
     
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    The Sod..:) the fearless flat hitter .. love it.
     
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  36. Bloodshed

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    Not sure why some people say Roddick in this thread since it's almost guaranteed that he will be in :???:

    Now as far as last place is concerned, Soderling should definately be there. He's been one of the most consistent player on all surfaces this year.

    I'd say Tsonga should be there as well considering he has now a win vs all Top 4 Players (I don't think he ever met Del Potro though) so when he brings his very best, he's a fun player to watch.

    I would like Verdasco to be there but if the guy consists of choking vs Top 4 Players, I'd rather him not to be around.

    Davydenko despite being injured, doesn't deserve it. No way in hell Simon should be there and Gonzo is just a very erratic player that barely scares anyone with his play (unless he's into Gonzo mode)
     
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  37. IvanAndreevich

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    Soderling just beat Tsonga convincingly. Case for Soderling to be there :)
     
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  38. stapler

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    I'll have to look into it more, but I believe Tsonga played (and lost to) Delpo at the FO.
     
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  39. cesarmo03

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    Gonzalez and Verdasco. Great results on slams and also great results on tournaments.
     
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