Who did you think was going to be good.

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  1. RiosTheGenius

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    I decided to post this because I've been thinking a lot about Juan Monaco. I had the pleasure to see this guy play at the US open in 2004 in a first round match against his countryman Gaston Gaudio at the cozy grandstand. I didn't know anything about him other than seeing his name randomly in draws here and there. I must say I was very impressed by his game --- must consider that the same day I had seen Federer, Moya and other great players so my standards were pretty high by the time the Gaudio's match started. but instead I was surprised by the talent of this guy Juan Monaco. at that point I really thought I was being the witness of the beginning of a new legend (I'm not kidding you, he played that good that night.)
    but to date Monaco's done nothing but make the habit of losing in first round at pretty much every tournament except for one final he lost badly to Puerta this year.
    has anyone in this forum seen someone who you thought was going to win big and never did anything?.... or, is anyone here familiar with Juan Monaco?
     
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  2. Dr.Lobster

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    i have no idea who he is, but i'll be sure to look out for him now
     
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  3. Capt. Willie

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    No...but Kelly Monaco is HOT!
     
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  4. RiosTheGenius

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    Kelly Monaco doesn't play tennis your tool.
     
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  5. Babblelot

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    Excellent thread! (...I had thought about starting this myself)

    Mark Philippoussis (yeah, 2 slam finals, but very frail)
    Tommy Haas (Germany...one of my all-time favs, but the injuries!!!!
    Xavier Malisse (Belgium)
    Andreas Vinciguerra (Sweden)
    Fernando Vicente (Spain)
    Taylor Dent (USA...fat slob)
    Mardy Fish (USA)
    Jan-Michael Gambill (USA-buster!)
    Nadia Petrova (Russia...baffling)
    Elena Dementieva (Russia...not with that serve)
    Amelie Mauresmo (France...I didn't expect nerves to dominate her career)
    hmmm....
     
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  6. gugafanatic

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    Demntieva, Mauresmo, Scud are all accomplished players who have achieved titles and had a good run in grand slams. You have simply listed players that have perhaps underachieved thus far.
     
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    Anyone remember the name of that Spanish guy who won a Masters Series (Hamburg ?) event about five years ago, coming out of nowhere, only to disappear never to be seen again ? It's bugging me now....
     
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    Yeah, well, if you're a betting man (like myself), you've lost a lot o' dough over the years on these... "underachievers." :|

    Though reaching two slam finals, Dementieva has no tier 1 titles to her credit...and that serve! (though I will go as far as stating that it is improving).
     
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  9. Kaptain Karl

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    Back in the 70's there was this kid named Arias, who was making fools of grown men ... at age 12. Who knew he was going to be plagued with injury....

    (Then there was this guy from my part of Upstate NY, who would tell anyone about how "in Juniors, I was the Upstate kid; McEnroe was the downstate kid. I simply chose NOT to pursue Pro tennis." ...Which was a load of fertilizer. Maybe he'd been competitive with Mac in the Under 12s ... but NO WAY would he have made it in the Pros with his game.)

    - KK
     
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    I saw Ivo Minar (CZE) play in Sidney this year, getting to the finals with wins over some good players before being beaten by Hewitt. He had a great looking game and was a real hustler.

    I thought he would start a rapid ascent up the rankings after that but has only moved up a little bit. Maybe his rise is still pending. I believe he's still alive the one of the ATP tourneys this week.

    I think Sam Querry (junior from CA) will do very well, better than Donald Young.
     
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    During the Australian and the French Open of 2004 before Sharapova was really known, I remember seeing her play and was amazed at how good she was. I knew she was gonna be good. For the future I think that Elena Dementieva will be amazing if she works on her mental and serve, and w/e specifically it is that she needs to get over. Off the ground she already is amazing. I saw her beat Mauresmo at the US Open and I remember thinking WOW!
     
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  12. Kevin Patrick

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    atatu,
    that was Roberto Carretero. truly fell off the radar after a very impressive hamburg win. Or are you thinking of Portas? hamburg has had some surprise winners.

    I thought Arazi & Escude would have better careers than they did. They certainly had the talent.
     
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  13. Babblelot

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    Nice catch! He should have been on my list.
     
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    Recently I thought Takao Suzuki would have a break out year after his display against Federer at the Australian Open. That was probably one of my favorite matches and showed me what serve and volley should be like but very few players are capable of playing at that level.
     
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    Lol wow... google and you get MANY nude pictures. Oh and you're right.
     
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  16. Babblelot

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    Tomas Zib def. Juan Monaco, 6-4, 7-6 (7-4)
     
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  17. tennissavy

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    Players I thought were going to be good but instead spiraled downward:

    Mirjana Lucic

    Ashley Harkelroad(although there is a faint glimmer of hope left for her)

    Jelena Dokic

    Anna Kournikova

    Rainer Schuettler

    George Bastl

    Mardy Fish
     
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  18. federerhoogenbandfan

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    Some of the players I thought were going to be more than they turned out:

    Tommy Haas
    Jan Michael Gambill
    Nicholas Mahut
    Mikael Youzhny

    Women:

    Amelie Mauresmo
    Mirijana Lucic
    Anna Kournikova
     
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  19. Kevin Patrick

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    Yeah, I remember the hype around Lucic. Wasn't she the 1st player to win her debut event?

    I also thought Schnyder would have a big career. She might have, had she not hooked up with that wacked out guy.

    Never seen Mahut play, could you give a description of his style of play?
     
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  20. Babblelot

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    Lucic was such a blip, I vaugely recall her.

    Definitely Dokic.
     
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  21. tennissavy

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    I clearly remember Lucic when she beat Hingis at Wimbledon. She was in good shape at that time. She hit the ball harder than most of the guys on tour. She just couldn't control her shots and she was one dimensional. She was like Gonzalez but played even higher risk tennis that him. She was at times making Serena look like she was standing still with the winners thumping past her. The unforced errors killed her game. This is one case of a player never getting beaten by another player but beating herself. Serena loves to make that statement. For her it's false but for Lucic, it's always the case.
     
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  22. Babblelot

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    I meant "blip" (on the radar screen), not "blimp."

    Ooooops.

    lol
     
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  23. Babblelot

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    Man, that's the best description of my "game" so far.

    :p :p :p
     
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  24. Kevin Patrick

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    Lucic didn't beat Hingis at Wimbledon. maybe you're thinking of Dokic?

    Lucic was a bit of a "blip." I remember her making a very impressive debut year in '97(at only 15?) dropping in '98, playing qualies in '99 & getting to Wimby semis. Think she's been way down since. She did have to deal with perhaps the most blatantly abusive tennis father, though, so not a bad career in light of that.
     
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  25. tennissavy

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    Yes, that's right. Dokic beat Hingis not Lucic. However, after Lucic achieved the semi at wimbledon she fell off the face of the earth.
     
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    Does anybody remember the name of that REALLY tall East European guy who came on the scene with nothing but a huge serve in about the mid 1980's? He was a less successful Zivojinovic, but with a black-and-white checked Pat Cash headband he wore all the time? He was Karlovic before Karlovic. I think he made a mini-run at a couple USO's or maybe Wimby's.
     
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  27. slice bh compliment

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    Ouch.
    Lemme guess, his first name rhymes with Garry.
    We thinking of the same guy, Kap?
     
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  28. Kaptain Karl

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    Yikes!!!

    Are you he? (Your doubles partner was frequently Dr. Dick ________, if so.) And if so, I'm surely glad I didn't name names....

    (This Internet is scary sometimes....)

    - KK
     
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  29. slice bh compliment

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    Who did I think was going to be good?

    I love threads like this -- everyone with 20/20 hidsight gets a chance to spout off! Selectively.

    And have some fun.

    Well, seriously, I saw Pete at the Forest Hills WCT event in like 1988 (on Har-Tru). He was playing Mikael Pernfors. Looked like he'd probably win a round or two at a Slam.
    I saw Federer on an outside court in the US open junior draw, then a few years later at Roland Garros 2001.

    I saw U2 in 1984. Figured they'd be a pretty solid band.
    Saw R.E.M. when they played a lot from Murmur.
    Liked what I saw in the Beatles, circa 1960. Ditto for the Stones the following summer.
    Saw Rachmaninoff before he was Rachmaninoff. Saw Hendrix at a church thing. Felt like he had some talent.

    Watched as Fred Perry won a local junior table tennis event. I told him he ought to try tennis.
    Saw Big Bill Tilden at a high school match. Kind of weird kid, but a very mature match player.
    Little Bill Shakespeare had a good eye for drama back in primary school. Glad he stuck with it.
     
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  30. slice bh compliment

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    Hmmmm. Stumper.

    Maybe Milan Sjreber?

    Slobodan Zivojinovic?

    Anyone? Anyone?
     
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    Small world, Karl. Remember me? And my family? You called a footfault on me ... I'd love to meet you for coffee sometime. DOWNstate.

    No, I'm not him. Just kidding. I can't believe I got it. Anyway, I liked your description.

    Take care, man.
    All the best,
    --Slice.
     
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  32. atatu

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    Kevin, thanks, it was Roberto C. that I was thinking about.
     
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  33. Kaptain Karl

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    Small, indeed. I call FF's on *everybody*. That didn't narrow it down any at all...!

    Don't stand in wet cement, waiting for me. I worked in Manhattan for three years -- which was 2 years and 11 months more than I could stand!

    But if *you* are ever traveling in the Rockies, let me know. (I'll supply the Oxygen....)

    "Whew!!!"

    How do/did you know him? E-mail me, please....

    - KK
     
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    I saw Federer playing doubles with Wayne Ferreira at TMS Totonto in 2002 & they beat Safin & Kafelnikov in this very serious match with Safin joking with the umpire and Federer laughing and swearing, and obviously at ease on the court. As I watched Federer, I said to myself "Damn, that guys going to be world's # 1 some day" And I was right.
     
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  35. VamosRafa

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    Taylor Dent. Wrong about him (although he has some ATP titles), but apparently right about Nadal.

    You often see a player, especially one who is facing a well known opponent, who plays out of his mind, and you see the talent there. But what people don't often recognize is that you are seeing his absolute best, especially with the older players. They don't have much more to give, but on any given day, they can produce fantastic tennis. The key is consistency. The top players develop that, and usually have some significant weapon(s) that get them through matches when they aren't playing their best.
     
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  36. FedererUberAlles

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    Andy Roddick... OH BURNED!
     
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  37. slice bh compliment

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    Who did I think was going to be good? Okay, this is after a few drinks.....

    Call me clairvoyant, but I thought [*] was going to be the next Bjorn Borg when I played him in a satellite in the late eighties. That cat was freakin' everywhere. Passing shots, passing shots, ridiculous returns! The big hair, FILA head to toe. He ripped through draws. I always wanted to play that level again, but sadly never got to (I'm not that good).

    * I edited out the name to not embarrass the guy. It is amazing how many great juniors kick ass in satellites and futures, even challengers. They have agents and contracts and physios... they are amazing players. Then they do not do much in the professional ranks...the Slams and ATP events. So many different levels of this game. It's unreal.

    Oh, and does anyone remember when Billie Jean King prophesied that Ben Testerman was going to be a top player?
     
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  38. Rickson

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    All of Thailand thought Paradorn was going to be good. Paradorn sure let them down.
     
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    I think it's a little early to write off Paradorn. He's already the best player in Asia, not too bad.
     
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    I really don't think it is too early to write off Paradorn. He has not improved one bit since he appeared on the atp. At least if you don't improve and learn new shots, strategies, better technique, etc., you should at least learn from your mistakes. He still has not learned from his biggest mistake- do not go for a low percentage screaming winner when pulled out wide on the run. Over 90% of the time he does it and the ball goes into the lower half of the net. He plays absolutely brainless tennis. At least Gonzales can pull those shots off. Paradorn isn't good enough to pull them off with any regularity. It happens in every one of his matches. He attempts them 12 times, misses all in the net, actually connects with his 13th attempt and seems to adopt the attitude of , "see I can do it" and then proceeds to continue missing those shots in the net again. It is truly painful to watch him play. The biggest reason I give for writing him off is that despite his fall in the rankings and plenty of early losses, he still won't get himself a real coach. He won't change anything. In this case, stubborness is stupidity.
     
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  42. djones

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    Wasn't it Roberto Carretero, he beat Corretje in the '96 Hamburg finals 2-6 6-4 6-4 6-4.

    I thought Julian Alonso was going to be a good player.
    Thomas Berdych as well, he could still become good though!
     
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    Remember seeing Federer on hardcourt Europe in 1999 and everyone then was already saying this man would be the future, a change in the game, and so he proved to be. As easy as a whip.

    Really, no really, thought Darren Cahill was going to be big, and he coached Lleyton to be big, go figure.
     
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  44. TEAMRAFA

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    Marcos Baghdatis. Yea.
     
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  45. slice bh compliment

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    Amen on Baghdatis. Yea.

    I also remember seeing a young Marcelo Rios thoroughly outclass Jared Palmer in an early round at the US Open in the mid-nineties. The crowd was mesmerized at the contrast in styles and the shotmaking. He was like a compact little Nastase/Agassi hybrid. The concensus was that he'd win Roland Garros at some point and that he'd have strokes that were compact enough [like Andre's] to do well on faster courts. That match made it clear why Palmer would become a doubles specialist.

    A couple of years later, I remember a clip from Monte Carlo of a Rios/Costa match, where he had Albert on a string. Rios even had time between shots to tuck some of his hair behind an ear with his right hand.
     
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  46. RiosTheGenius

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    ok, most people are clearly missing the point of my thread. I mentioned Juan Monaco and I wanted to get thoughts on players like him. instead, you people are talking about:
    Corretja (slam finalist)
    Kournikova (top ten once)
    Fish (oylmpic medal)
    Dementieva (slam fimalist ....twice)... etc, etc, etc...
    ....some looney even brought up Federer saying that he knew he'd be good... of course, everyone knew it when he was a jr. that's no mistery.
    I want to know about players like Monaco, Bracciali, etc.... guys who never made the top 50 but you saw them play and thougth they'd win big one day but they never did.
     
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  47. Mikael

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    I had pretty much the opposite happen to me: saw Ancic play at some challenger event in 2001 where he lost in the qualies but eventually won a couple rounds in the main draw as a LL. Not many people knew about him, he was probably outside the top 200. But he had had an excellent junior career and some were already saying he was the next goran. Anyway, I wasn't impressed by his game at all. I was totally shocked when he beat Federer at Wimbledon 6 months later and when he entered the top 50.

    One guy who I thought was going to be much better is Kristian Pless. I think he got injured. Had a lot of talent...
     
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  48. Kevin Patrick

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    Leander Paes,
    I saw him win the '91 Junior US Open. He was very fast, very talented. Just didn't have the power/big shot to make an impact in singles(except for Davis Cup & a few other occasions)
    The same could be said for Todd Woodbridge, he had a phenomenal junior career. Paes & Woodbridge seem like players that could have done really well in singles in the 70s. Too much power in the 90s for their style of play.

    I also remember commentators making a big deal about the '92 US Open Junior champ, Brian Dunn. He was 6'6 & had a really big serve. Not sure if he ever made it out of challengers.
     
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  49. tennisboy87

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    I believe it was Albert Portas.
     
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  50. atatu

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    It was definitely Carretero, Portas did a little more than Roberto did. Any idea what he's up to now ?
     
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