Who else (other than Fed) is an all-courter?

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Who else is an all-courter? (you can make multiple selections)

  1. Nadal

    11.2%
  2. Djokovic

    33.7%
  3. Murray

    21.3%
  4. Del Potro

    9.0%
  5. Davydenko

    9.0%
  6. Roddick

    12.4%
  7. Tsonga

    67.4%
  8. Verdasco

    9.0%
  9. Soderling

    7.9%
  10. Gonzalez

    4.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Who else is an all-courter among today's players?

    I just put the numbers 2-11 from ATP website in the poll.

    (btw Davydenko moved to No.6)
     
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  2. lambielspins

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    Of those you listed only Tsonga could be considered an all courter. Federer is more of one than everyone on your list other than maybe Tsonga. Murray volleys wonderfully but never comes to net so it is moot.
     
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  3. IvanAndreevich

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    I voted Djokovic and Tsonga.

    Who could be: Murray and Del Potro. Both guys know their way around the net well, but don't use it.
     
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  4. lambielspins

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    Djokovic an all courter? That is a mystery to me.
     
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  5. flyinghippos101

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    Murray? Whoaaaa...no way man.
     
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  6. boredone3456

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    Tsonga....Murray and Djokovic could at some point develop into all court players...Roddick on this poll??? Why...all one has to do is watch him at the French to realize that he doesn't belong there.

    Edit: I somehow missed Nadals name completely on the list...Fail on my part.
     
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  7. JeMar

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    Haas, Tsonga, Gasquet, Stepanek, Lopez (although his ground game is pretty weak), Santoro, Fish.

    That makes pretty much everyone in the top 100.

    I guess I kinda ignored the poll, but eh.
     
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  8. Carsomyr

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    Tsonga is probably the most "cookie-cut" definition of an all-courter, as he S&V's more than a fair amount, and can definitely hold his own on the baseline. After him I'd say Djokovic, who's got pretty good hands and reflexes, but still seems a bit tentative coming forward and has a drop shot that needs some serious work or to be locked away forever in a vault.
     
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  9. BreakPoint

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    How about Haas?
     
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  10. JeMar

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    Sorry, I must have missed him when I went down the ATP rankings. I added him to my list.
     
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  11. kimbahpnam

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    according to virtua tennis 3: haas
     
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  12. Agassifan

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    Murray.......
     
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  13. ChuDat

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    wheres nalbandian?
     
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  14. Feña14

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    I'd say Tsonga out of the ones on the list, Murray has the great hands and touch but as it's been mentioned, he doesn't really use them enough to be classed as an all-courter.
     
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  15. IvanAndreevich

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    1) The guy is clever.
    2) He has a good slice.
    3) He has good volleys. Have you seen him play doubles?

    It's a pity he spends 90% of his on-court time as a pusher 3 meters behind the baseline.
     
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  16. abmk

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    good list. Only, I'd add nalbandian to this
     
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  17. abmk

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    djokovic an all-courter ???? no

    murray has great hands, but he seems very reluctant to come to the net , so he doesn't qualify
     
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  18. World Beater

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    murray is an all court pusher...yes i agree.
     
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  19. Is Tsonga gonna get at least 20 votes?
     
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  20. Darth_Timmaayyy!!

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    You might think I am an idiot for saying this. But last year when Nadal had his run and won everything. He amazed me at just how well he could play from all parts of the court. In saying that, he is a grinder that prefer's to sit back and dictate play, but when needed, the kid can volley. And volley well..

    I am by means a Nadal fan, but I give a guy credit when it is due...
     
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  21. FedSampras1

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    wow Tsonga is leading by far this poll :shock:
     
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  22. IvanAndreevich

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    Uh.. do you find that surprising?
     
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  23. lawrence

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    I feel sorry for Roddick, if he wasn't traumatized by Federer at all those Wimbledon matches, he would have turned into a decent all courter.
    If you watch his older video's he came in a lot after serve, but he just kept getting passed.
     
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  24. mandy01

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    wanted to vote for Tsonga..voted Novak by mistake..
    Yeah but Tsonga,Haas and Murray ( when he dosent play passive tennis which is rare these days :sad:)
     
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  25. Tempest344

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    Tommy Haas

    Murray could if he wanted
    same with Safin
     
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  26. The poll asks:

    Who else is an all-courter? (you can make multiple selections)
     
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  27. dropshot winner

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    Probably Tsonga, but some might call his game "ballbashing with net approaches once in a while".

    Murray had the game to play great all-court tennis, but for some reason he decides not to do it.
     
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  28. Tsonga comes to the net more than anyone else in the Top 10.
     
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  29. Ripster

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    Out of those guys? Tsonga would be the only one. Murray and Djokovic at times look like all-courters but usually just play the baseline.
     
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  30. dropshot winner

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    Not in every match, I've seen him stuck at the baseline for whole sets.
     
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  31. Here are the net approaches stats for Roddick at Wimby 09:

    F vs Federer - 42/69 = 61% (Fed was 38/59=64%)
    SF vs Murray - 48/75=64% (Murray 15/20=75%)
    QF vs Hewitt - 28/42=67% (Hewitt 29/47=62%)
    4R vs Berdych - 22/27=81% (Berdych 23/33=70%)
     
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  32. You can say that about anyone. Lopez was stuck on the baseline against Nadal at Shanghai.
     
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  33. Cesc Fabregas

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    Why is nobody mentioning Roddick? He is certainly more all-court than Murray or Djokovic.
     
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  34. dropshot winner

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    True, but I think Tsonga's netgame is a bit overrated since he dismantled Nadal at the 2008 AO.

    He's big strengths are still serve and forehand, those win him 90% of the points.
     
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  35. Bolded part is true for most players in Top 10 (Fed, Djoko, Gonzo, Verdasco, DelPo, Roddick).
     
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  36. dropshot winner

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    That's what makes it difficult to name an all-courter.

    Even Tsonga is not winning a lot of points with his netgame, but he's one of the few that even attempt it and are capable of doing it consistently.
     
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  37. boredone3456

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    How does Roddick have more votes than Nadal at this point? Nadal is, at least in my opinion...way more of an all courter than Andy is.
     
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  38. Yeah, hardly anyone makes a living on the net these days. Certainly not a good living.

    On one hand, Tsonga comes to the net more often than others (and not just to put the ball away after he won the baseline rally), and is reasonably successful with it.

    On the other hand, if he were really an all-court player, you would expect him to be good on all surfaces (or at least, to be better on grass), which he is not. So, it's tough to say.
     
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  39. IvanAndreevich

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    Roddick comes in a LOT more than Nadal does, that's why. As far as skills at net are concerned, Nadal is probably better.
     
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  40. Polvorin

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    Murray has great hands, touch, volleys, etc. I'd give him the nod.
     
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  41. crawl4

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    Tsonga no doubt..you should also add Haas to that
     
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  42. P_Agony

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    Tsonga, although I can see Murray and Delpo getting there.
     
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  43. BreakPoint

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    Yeah, but Tsonga has great touch at the net and can hit some sublime volleys. :)
     
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  44. BreakPoint

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    Um...no. Roddick looks for opportunities to attack the net. Whereas, Nadal only comes in when he's forced to. And Roddick comes into the net WAY more often than Nadal does.
     
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  45. Andres

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    In my opinion, the "truest" all court player on tour is Ivan Ljubicic

    Edit: Or was. I don't know. You know what I mean :)
     
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  46. Gaudio2004

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    Pure all courter? No one, only Federer. Maybe Ferrero, Haas and Hewitt.

    Modern day all courter? Djokovic, Murray, Gasquet, Verdasco, Gonzalez
     
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  47. zagor

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    Tsonga and Roddick.
     
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  48. Magix

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    Exactly who I voted for as well.
     
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  49. sdont

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    The grass season is so short and Tsonga was so prone to injuries that he hasn't yet have many occasions to put some good results on grass. Note that he has played Wimbledon only twice: he reached the 4th round in 2007 on his first ever Wimbledon (that was the first time I ever heard of him btw) while he wasn't even in the top 100.

    OTOH, I would say grass is not his best surface because his return basically sucks, so he can be abused by great servers on this surface (as proved by his defeat to Karlovic at W this year).
     
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  50. nah, forget about it.
     
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