Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Golden Retriever, Aug 10, 2004.
I would say Moya. It looks good and more consistent than the other two.
Moya then Gonzo then Roddick
federer, then moya. roddicks sucks in comparison
It's a good thing that Andy has a good serve, so he doesn't have to rely on his sucky forehand. :lol:
Seriously, I think Moya's forehand is gorgeous. But Andy has abilities Carlos does not.
And as for Gonzo, well, I just think back to Jim Courier's recent comments -- he's like a car crash, you don't want to watch, but you just can't help yourself. :lol:
He's not in the same league as Moya and Roddick, though.
Moya.. it's techically more sound and he can do more with his forehand than Roddick can. Having said that I think Roddick has a very effective forehand.. he may not have the most variation on the shot but the shots he has he executes very well.
"federer, then moya. roddicks sucks in comparison"
I can only laugh at how stupid that is. Federers is more consistant and he has more variation with his forehand but Roddick has more power than both Federer and Moya and he can also come up with some shots that no once else can hit.
Power s gonzo.
but his big swing makes him in the same league with typical claycourt player.
Moya's forehand is compact, heavy, consistent. its everything.
Roddick. Somedays it might not be the best on tour, but most days it can win him more points and be as consistent as anyone. I have definitely seen Moya have as many off forehand days as Roddick, although I only see him during the big matches that they show on regular cable. But, those ARE the ones that probably matter more.
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mark55, youre crazy federer's forehand is MUCH better than roddicks. roddick can pound the ball, sure but he doesnt have the variety nor the accuracy that federer has. moya, when he is on, his forehand is nuts but that doesnt happen often enough so what can you say.
ROddick brings his good forehand more often than the other two but the forehands of the other two players are untouchable when they're on.
You can't say Roddick's fh is untouchable as proven by Federer several times.
Moya, Gonzo, Roddick.
I think that Moya is the best out of the bunch of 3, he can hit it with his eyes closed with huge spin. Gonzo can turn a match around with his, it's a real match winner. Roddick just uses his to hit as hard as he can and it always plays as a backup to his serve.
They are all great shots, but lets face it, non of them can compare with Ferrero!!!!
Roddick has as much accuracy as Federer has off his forehand and since Roddick's is more powerful and more spin that would mean his is more dominant...Did you see how many times he would clip the lines during the Agassi match? No one else could come up with that much power and accuracy to hit those shots. Gonzo has the power too but not the consistancy as does Roddick. And Moya not being able to come up with the shots over and over again like Roddick can is my point.
Also the only chance Federer's forehand is more dominant than Roddicks is when he is passing someone while their at the net, but its still pretty even.
Federer hits his forehand much flatter than Roddick, with as much depth, angle and better consistency. Therefore, he has the better forehand of the two.
Moya and Gonzo do not have anywhere near the forehand of roddick, federer, or agassi. You guys who think they are in the same category have no clue.
Visually pleasing, definitely Moya. But I would say that he probably is second to Roddick in effectiveness, as Roddick is also behind Federer in forehand effectiveness. Federer's forehand has some wicked spin, perhaps not as much as Roddick, but Federer has so much control on his forehand that he can push Roddick around with it. Roddick may have more power, but his vision and footwork are again second to Federer.
Dude, have you ever seen Moya's fh or are you pulling this statement out of your ass? Moya's "A-level" forehand put EVERYBODY's game on defense, including our favorite tennis god: Federer. Watch some of Moya's previous matches with the top players including the 2002 Hewitt, 2003 Roddick, et al. Notice how far back everybody gets pushed in the rallies.
I'll concede only to Gonzo MAYBE not being in the same category as others mentioned, only because it's not consistent. Moya's fh isn't either but it's consistent ENOUGH where he's landed a No. 4 spot in the rankings with that as a weapon.
And, you obviously have some flat stroke fetish or do not play a high level of tennis if you think a flat fh is a lot harder to handle than one of extreme kick such as Moya's or Gonzo's.
I think everyone here can agree that Moya is not the same person he was in 2002 or 2003 for that matter. The only top 10 player he has defeated this year is Nalbandian. He lost to Coria twice, Gaudio twice, Hewitt twice, Agassi, Roddick, Schuettler, and Federer. He has lost the pop he use to have but he still has a very dominating forehand just not as good as Roddicks or Federers.
But he's still No. 4 in the rankings. Which is a lot better than most players in the tour.
Not to sound like a Moya drone (i.e PCMD) but he's still pretty dominant. Most of the matches you mentioned that he lost in were really close/tight matches.
He's lost a little pop, but his fh is still one of the best out there. Besides, you can still have a dominant forehand and lose key matches..proof that tennis is mostly mental.
Moya may not be as good as in the past, but yea, he's still #4 in the world. That's higher than Nalbandian, Agassi, Schuettler, Hewitt, and Gaudio (whom he's only lost to once this year). His forehand looks better than either of those 2 guys, and is better IMO because of Technique. Roddick is better on a day to day basis with it, but guys, we NEVER get to see Moya play on clay, which is where he plays his best. I've seen maybe 3 matches of his on clay this year, and that's when his forehand will be at it's consistent best. You can't have a really good serve, a horrible backhand, a choker attitude, and a mediocre forehand like some of you say he has, and have the most match wins on clay this year out of anyone. He has a HUGE forehand, an awesome forehand, and that's how he wins.
And like mlee2 said, a lot of those matches he lost were very close. Served for the match against Roddick, played Agassi well in the first and the second, close as he can get against Hewitt on grass, sprained his ankle other time against Hewitt, Schuettler outplayed him, Coria is too good for him sadly, can't say bout Gaudio, and Fed can beat anyone regardless. He just couldn't quite do it, which has always been his problem.
And to see Moya's forehand in action, watch either this years Miami QF vs. Roddick, or last years Masters Cup vs. Roddick. Moya out rallied Roddick for a lot of those matches (still lost of course, should have won both), and his forehand is better than Roddick's in both. A lot of this has to do with movement too. Moya can move to his backhand side better than anyone except Fed (who has a better forehand).
Got to say, as much as I love watching González rip that FH, he needs some consistency. But when it works, it's just terrific to watch - I sincerely hope he can put something together for the US Open.
I'm erring of the side of the Fed for the best FH in the world. Did anyone actually teach him to hit a FH like he does, or is that just what he does naturally?! It's one outrageous shot.
mlee2, I pulled those comments out of your ass. Moya's forehand has won him one slam.If I remember correctly that was about 80 years ago.
For your information a flat forehand hit deep is much harder to return than one with topspin becuase it gives your opponent less time to set up and return it. Where have you been playing you dumbass.
Some excellent forehands yet to be mentioned (some)
i think the picking one of the above forehands comes down to personal pref but i like Roddicks then Moya's. Roddicks forehand is only going to get better as he tempers his shotmaking slightly, and so to will Gonzo's if he ever makes even the slightest attempt to temper his approach. Gawd he hits hard and aggressively.
haha, NEVER! I don't think he knows any other way to play.
Swing - hit - miss
Swing - hit - winner
Swing - hit - miss (wildly)
Swing - hit - winner ("VAMOS!!")
etc, etc. Great fun to watch, though!
Thank you Captain Obvious on the topspin vs. flat lesson. Perhaps at the club level, topspin shots are easier to retrieve but we're talking about Gonzalez and Moya: two of the heaviest spinning fhs on this planet.
Have you ever played someone with such extreme kick in their shots that it bounces over your head? Multiply that by 10 and that's how much kick these guys have in their shots. If I had to play off a fh that was hit one foot in front of the baseline, I wouldn't hesitate to pick a bullet-speed flat shot than one with extreme kick. A flat fh (no matter how fast) still gives me a decent chance to return it since it's in my strike zone. A fh with extreme kick will leave most pros hitting sitters (or rally shots at best) since the ball's apex will be two feet above a person's head!
A true "flat" forehand is very inconsistent and a low-percentage shot.
If I have to spell that out for you, that means no pro actually hits a 'flat forehand.' There might be some who hit flatter forehands than most pros but Federer certainly isn't one of 'em. His fh skids (or has a skidding trajectory) as soon as it bounces, meaning his fh has a good amount of spin. Check out almost any photos of his fh and his grip and swing motion are VERY INDICATIVE of the spin I'm talking about.
Nice try on teaching me Tennis 101, maybe you should stck to teaching little kids about using the Force?
Who is the one who is delusional? Discussion over. You are obviously an idiot. Just look at any match Roddick and Federer have played. Federer always has time to set up against Roddicks top spin forehand that kicks 2 feet (LOL) above Federers head. Whereas by comparison Federer cleans the court against Roddick, when hitting is flatter forehand.
Moya and Gonzalez who? If Gonzalez hits with all this topspin that kicks over his opponents head why can't he keep the ball in the court. Listening to you, a person would think these guys hit the ball with so much spin that there forehands land in the second row of stadium.LOL 2 feet LOL
I think Gonzos is the best. He can hit it with so much power and spin.
You need to watch Moya live someday, drakulie. Heck, any pro would do to give you an understanding of how intense the kick really is.
I never said Roddick had a high-kicking fh, especially these days as he's toned down the spin a bit. (Remember we are talking about Moya/Gonzalez/high-kicking fhs, try to stay with me.)
Using Federer as an example is pretty weak. The guy is the ultimate exception to my point and you know that. C'mon, you can level with me. He's one of FEW guys that can handle ANYBODY's shots, regardless of topspin, pace, flatness, sexual orientation, political views, etc. Agassi also shares similar talents with his coordination.
When Moya faces almost anyone else, it's plain to see the talent.
All I ask you to do is watch his fh in action objectively (not his whole game, just his fh) and tell me with a straight face that you think it's not of the same caliber as Roddick/Federer/et al.
This one is a no brainer mon. Roddick Iz DA BOMB. Huge serve, even huger forehand.
His serve is still bigger than his forehand....
mlee2, I have seen Moyas forehand up close at the Nasdaq-both at the practice courts and during a match (1st row). Yes, his entire game is unreal. his forehand is unbelievable. I never said otherwise.
All I said was the following:
And you need to get "real". Gonzalez has the ability to hit his forehand 100+ MPH, with unbelievable spin but he cannot consitently get it in the court.To be perfectly honest his forehand is probably his biggest liability on the court and why he loses so many matches.
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