Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by 8pNADAL, Oct 23, 2009.
agassi id say
I second that! Edberg solidly in second place.
what about john isner? he can kick his over the back fence, 'n lol @ the agassi kick, but he did get some good bounce on it for his height
btw feds isn't too bad either
i like this vid too
Roddick does! over 100 mph kicker
You posted you have the same racket as Roddick, so I am thinking you are just a fan boy...
In history? Is there really any doubt it was Edberg? The guy won grand slams on the strength of his kick serve getting him into the net. The only guy even close to doing that would be Rafter, and frankly, in the kick serve and volley competition he falls well back of Edberg.
Edberg, hands down!
What about Fabrice Santoro?
Rafter, from what I recall, was able to kick his serve a little bit higher on average than Edberg. He could throw in the mule kick every now and then which bounced over your head.
However, in terms of accuracy, he was a bit hit and miss which was I think the main reason why he was fairly inconsistent throughout his career.
Edberg's accuracy was almost always spot on when he was on top which is why he's one of the greatest to ever play the game.
Ljubicic and Almagro have vicious kick serves. Rafter's kick serve was great as well. I've seen both Federer and Djokovic hit massive kick serves. Agassi's is a bit overrated, he used to stand out wide sometimes and he'd often hit great angles but the bounce was never really that high compared to the best kickers.
Isner hands down.
Karlovic's height makes his kick serve very hard to deal with.
I'd have to go with Rafter though.
These are pretty good too.
One more vote for Rafter
I love federer saying 'it's the way you hit it' to sampras like he doesn't know how to hit a kick serve.
Completlely agree, it is definitely Edberg
He would consistently S+V on every first and second serve in a match, unbelievable stuff!
He had the best volley in history as well in my opinion:shock:
Edberg's in terms on consistency. Isner's can be pretty amazing, but he struggles at times.
Edberg overall but man Roddick and Isner are pretty damn good as well. Some of their kickers can prob clear the empire state building :shock:
Gonna say Edberg.
This thread should have a poll for that question
Stefan Edberg had the best kick serve I've ever seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1yBE1-p4RI (Edberg McEnroe 1989 Wimbledon SF)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8azlCrfWDI (Serve and Volley-Edberg)
He was telling a spectator how he did it I think.
Yes, they all can. We're debating who was/is the best?
surprised no one mentioned becker yet. i saw him hit a kicker over kricksteins head in a match once. if you have ever been 5 feet away from ljubicic his second serve bounces quite high. it's kind of tricky though because most pros are moving in on the second serve to take the ball early and not letting it bounce up too high so you don't see the ball at the top of the bounce.
Thanks for the clips, looks like an eastern backhand serve grip from Edberg?.
Interestingly, or not perhaps, Edberg's name is pronounced Edberry (more or less) same as Ingmar Bergman's name is Ingmar Berryman (more or less.)
Whereas Borg's name is pronounced something more like Boy, same as Göteborg (Gothenburg, pronounced Joterboy, listen to the sound clip on the Wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothenburg)
I think I have that right anyway, I stand to be corrected by a Swede
Anyway, back on track, Edberg, great serve, odd grip, perhaps more players should adopt this for more kick? (I think Djokovic's isn't that far from Edberg's, looks similar to me anyway but then I am fairly new to tennis)
eastern backhand isn't very odd at all. a lot of players use it for topspin serves!
Current day i say ljubicic
I'd say Rafter since he pretty much made a career on his kick serve.
I never really considered Edberg's serve a true kick serve. More like a Sampras, spinny, firm, but not super high bouncing serve.
Ljubicic had the best I've seen in person. On TV, Fed, when he wants to, and Rafter's look pretty vicious. And Agassi's kicker out wide had a LOT of action on it. I remember Sebastien Grosjean having to hold his racket way over his head to return the Agassi kicker to the ad side.
even a Agassitard like me would disagree...
Edberg\Rafter... you choose!
Must be Edberg right...?
Edberg has the best! It land and when so high afterwards with a twist on it!
why is everyone saying Edberg when I haven't even seen any of his kick serves go above anyone's shoulders? Seems like everyone is in the "in the good ol' days" mentality where everything was done better 20 years ago.
Um, because of utility. Who cares how high it bounced? It was effective. It was, arguably, the most effective kick serve in the history of tennis.
Indeed, when it was at it's best (admittedly, it was erratic through the course of Edberg's career), I watched entire 2 set matches with LENDL framing, 1st and SECOND serve returns. You have ONE HEAVY serve, with great, subtle variety in the spin, when you can do that. I liked the fact, that Edberg could hit true, clear, American twist, topspin, and top-slice off the exact same toss and motion.
The other thing that the casual observer does not notice is that Edberg got much FARTHER into the court than most players with his kick serve. Which is pretty a pretty darn great thing if you're on your way to the net. This is also part of the reason why some of Edberg's serve didn't bounce as high, though again, the casual fan won't realize this.
Of course choices I would go with Edberg. There are a lot of other choices in tennis history of course. John Newcombe and Jack Kramer come to mind with their great kick second serves.
I would say that Roddick or Ljubicic, in the case of Edberg I would think that his footwork and volleys backed up his serves a lot, making it more effective that it would be in reality. JMO.
So Roddick and Ljubicic's kick serves are more effective but win them fewer points? How's that logic work? I'm confused.
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