Who in here is crazy about the woods?

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  1. khw72004

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    Personally I like open throat woods like the Pro Kennex Golden Ace, and Blue Ace. Are there many people still crazy about wood rackets? I know the Borg Pro is still in High Demand but what else are people searching for.

    I feel that some wood rackets have great cosmetics that shouldn't be forgotten. If you want post some pictures of your favorite wood rackets.
     
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  2. Virginia

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    I feel there's nothing to beat woods and wood composites in terms of sheer beauty and elegance, as well as workmanship.

    I've been putting together a collection of Davis racqets, which were the most expensive of all the woods (especially the Duke, which had a thin band of aluminium around the hoop) and now have almost 30 of them, including the open throat Imperial and TAD. I'll post some pictures once I can get myself organised properly. :)
     
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    I think they're beautiful too. The Edgewood I think is the most attractive frame ever made.
     
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  4. MarrratSafin

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    The woodies are works of art. I'm not mad about them but do enjoy keeping a few of my favorites. I have a new Golden Ace and a Blue Ace too, these have simply beautiful paintjobs. The Edgewood is a beautiful frame too, and still hold its ground nicely against the power frames of today.:)

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  5. jimbo333

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    Looking forward to seeing the photos:)
     
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    Great photos:)
     
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  7. andfor

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    Man am I jealous! I wish I had the Kennex Golden Ace and a Prince Woodie in my collection! Someday.........
     
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  8. MarrratSafin

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    Thanks.:) jimbo, I remember seeing a photo of the wood/graphite Head Vector posted by you (or is it someone else?), can you post it again or let me know which thread to find it in? I'm missing that one and have been looking for ages.
     
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    Should be able to find some on the bay, not as easy to find in mint condition though.:)
     
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    Yes will find it and post here:)

    Your racquets look in such great condition!

    My GLC is quite badly warped:evil:
     
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  11. jimbo333

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    Here it is:)

    Very similar to the GLC actually!


    Head Vector (Wood/Graphite)

    This was my actual racquet that I used in the early 80's, it is a superb racquet!

    Size is in between the Edgewood and the Vilas.

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    Thanks jimbo.:) great racquet! Hopefully I'll find one in the near future, no luck thus far though. I'll play with the GLC again, forgot how it was like. Those woodies I have are all in great condition, but it did took some time to make up this small collection!:)
     
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    They are rare I think!

    They're all good really good to play with, but like I said the Vector and GLC are definitely the best for me:)

    Finding these in Near Mint condition is really hard to do. I have a Mint Edgewood and Vilas, but my Vector, GLC and VLC are really well used, especially the Vector!

    I also have the Edgewood (Taiwan version) and Director (Wood/Graphite), which are also quite well used, but really nice racquets as well:)
     
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    Yamaha had a couple that were just beautiful - I think Yuth had 'em. I'm a wood racquet fanatic - Maxply McEnroe was a nice piece of workmanship, and I've got stuff all the way back to about ca. 1900 - workmanship that went into these frames was something... :)
     
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    i have a pro kennex blue ace and a prince woodie...very beautiful babies ;-)
    also a wilson jk ps, a maxply fort and a donnay allwood...
    it´s not that difficult to play decent tennis with a wooden racket...very fun to play with
     
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    I have a couple open throat woods. A Slazenger Omega and a PK Golden Ace. Both are beautiful frames.
     
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  18. schu47

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    I think a lot of us are crazy about the woods. Everyone on this thread seems to have an appreciation of them -- and some great collections, too.

    What I love are the the beautiful wood grains, unmatched graphics, the attention to detail -- there's nothing like that today.

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    See what you mean:)

    What is funny is that these photos look just like my place, only with more wood racquets:shock:

    Thanks for email by the way, good to see you posting photos on here:)
     
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    Absolutely Superb photos again:)
     
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  22. MarrratSafin

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    Nice photos Schu47, those Yamahas are stunning!!:)
     
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  23. schu47

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    There are so many great collectors on this thread -- jimbo, marrat, tennis 005, and now Clintspin -- and Heathcliff and dataseviltwin, who seem to have some great old woods, too. And of course, Virginia, my favorite lady.

    It would be great to see even more photos.

    Here's one I thought people might be interested in. I bought it just because of the name, and I'd like to thank Slazenger for making it. Even the names were better back then.

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    Seems quite reasonable since they also made the XTC :) .

    Somebody REALLY liked their job!
     
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    Wow, that Spalding Lotus appears to be a repaint of the Snauwaert LaGrande! Is it marked, "Made in Belgium," Schu?

    I'm really enjoying seeing the photos of the other lovely wood racquets, by the way. (And I just minutes ago found a minty Snauwaert LaGrande, strung with natural gut, for a paltry sum.) Good stuff...
     
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    Retro, you are amazing. How do you pick up on these subtle similarities? You are absolutely the best. And congrats on getting a La Grande -- with natural gut, no less. One of the great wood composites.

    Actually, the Lotus doesn't say "Made in Belgium." It's much more classy -- it says "Handcrafted in Belgium." I'd bet, like you, that it's a Snauwaert. Amazing the incest in the racquet world, isn't it?

    But I don't think it's the La Grande. think it is a repaint of the Snauwaert Fibre Composite -- a smaller head than the La Grande. I didn't even see the resemblance until you mentioned it, and then lined them up and saw they were definitely from the same mold. I think the Boronite also is the same mold.

    Here are the Lotus, and the Lotus and Fibre Composite. Don't you love the paint job on the Lotus? It's one of my favorites.

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    ^^beautiful wood rackets!! Wow.
     
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    Oh, double wow, and sure enough! I do believe you are correct there. Thanks for the brilliant follow-up to my question. My visual cue was the wispy arms of the shaft, and six (SIX??!!!) pairs of mains spanning the throat. You don't see that everyday.

    OK, then, how does the Spalding Big Bow compare to the LaGrande? Perhaps these two are also twins, separated from birth and raised by two different families in Tennistown back in the 70's...?
     
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  29. schu47

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    That's great, coachrick. The XTC and the Climax. Slazenger also made a racquet called the Boodie. Not quite the right spelling, but a nice name nonetheless.
     
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  30. Virginia

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    The interesting thing is that the Lotus appears to have the same mold as the famed Snauwaert Speedshaft - except that the beam is thicker on the Lotus.

    Incest indeed!
     
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    Virginia, you are so smart. I have a Speedshaft, and sure enough, it's a match to the Lotus and Snauwaert Fibre Composite. All of them made (by Snauwaert, I assume) in Belgium. The Lotus is ashwood and Boron, and I think the Speedshaft and Fibre Composite are the same racquet with a different paintjob. Both are ash and fiberglass.

    Good, quality racquets, too. According to that great 80s-tennis website, Navratilova used a Spalding Speedshaft early in her career.

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    Those wide-shouldered Spaldings and Snauwaerts really were a pain to string on the early model Ektelon machines so popular in the '70s. Darned things couldn't be mounted properly! The finish on the Lotus was beautiful but chipped quite easily...similar to the Speedshaft finish. Does anyone remember the trim on the 'red' trimmed Spalding Speedshaft fading and turning the shaft of the racket pink? I remember a couple of customers having a real problem with that...once the shaft/throat was discolored, there was no going back!

    Have we mentioned the La Vitesse? An attractive racket but I never could figure how a slit above the handle of the racket would produce any more 'speed'.
     
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  33. coachrick

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    Indeed, I remember Martina and Rosi Casals both using the Speedshaft at Sea Pines/Hilton Head tournaments. Seems they had similar, rather unattractive dresses that had matching eyelet trim(white/red, white/turquoise ?).
     
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    David, how do you remember all this stuff? You're making me go back and dig out my old frames to check them out. Turns out the Big Bow and La Grande are very comparable -- not twins, but probably kissing cousins. Same long, open shaft, same beam width, ash and fiberglass construction. However, The La Grande was made in Belgium, the Spalding in Japan; and the Big Bow's head is just slightly larger -- maybe 5 sq. in.

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    The other interesting thing is that the Big Bow and La Grande fiberglass are much more alike than the two Snauwaert La Grande models. The other La Grande, which is more reminiscent of the Pro Kennex wood composites, has a shorter neck, wider beam and is wood and graphite instead of fiberglass.

    Here are the two La Grandes:

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  35. coachrick

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    schu, I'm sad that I can't open your pics...says it can't be found. :(

    Great info, though! Snauwaert had some absolutely gorgeous rackets in the '70s. The matching specs indicated on each racket really caught the attention of many customers...no 'balance board' needed!
     
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  36. retrowagen

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    Good stuff all. Snauwaert in Belgium was the "shadow" OEM for a few other brands: Spalding in the wood era; Fila and Lacoste, it seems (for some limited production stuff) in the graphite composite era.

    I seem to recall the Rossignol Strato and C-12 were twins to a corresponding pair of Garcia woods (all USA-made). Schu', you wouldn't happen to have specimens of this quartet stashed away in your arsenal to compare and show, would ya?

    (The C-12 was also the twin to the Head Vilas, so it would seem.)
     
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  37. schu47

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    Retro, you're wearing me out. I have to keep running down the basement to go through my stash. I don't have the Strato (yet), but I do have the C-12, Graphite Garcia and Head Vilas. And darned if you aren't right again. They're the same. You should go on some vintage tennis quiz show.

    All of these are wood/graphite composites, all (even the Rossignol) are USA-made, and the mold again seems identical. The only difference I can see is that the throat opening in the Vilas is a touch smaller than the other two. That wouldn't have been a difficult change to make, would it? No wonder the Garcia is such a nice racquet -- it's actually a Head Vilas!

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    Schu', a tremendous word of thanks goes out to you for being such a great sport! (and, it must be said, I envy your collection there - you have some really nice and interesting specimens!)

    I'd love to see the comparison photos you have taken the time to post, but for some unbeknownst reason, those in your last two or three posts in this thread aren't displaying. :?
     
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    That's strange. I can see them on my screen. Are they showing up for anyone else, I wonder.
     
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  40. Virginia

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    I can't see those images either, schu.

    By the way, I think David might have been referring to a standard Garcia woodie, when he referred to a pair of twins - you and I both have the Rossi Strato (remember I gave you one?) and it's not a composite. The triplets, as we've discovered (and I have all three as well) are the C12, Gargia Graphite and Vilas. Gorgeous racquets!

    As I recall, your Speedshaft is the Spalding version and mine is the Snauwaert, but I think we decided they had the same mold as well, didn't we?

    And here's another coincidence - the Madison King Pro is a dead ringer for the PK Golden Ace!
     
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    The only pic link working for me was the last one of the group:) .


    The Garcia Graphite would be the forerunner to the C-12 since Rossignol bought out the Garcia/Cragin factory in Van Buren, Maine. The Strato was preceded by the Garcia 240, both direct competitors to the Kramer Autograph. Correct as mentioned, no graphite in the Strato or 240.

    Honestly, I would be surprised if the Vilas came from the same factory as the Garcia/Rossi versions of the open throat wood+ frame. BUT, I've been wrong before...just not in the last minute or so :) .
     
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    No, I can't see any of your last 7 photos:(
     
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  43. Clintspin

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    Coach Rick-it's funny that you brought up the Spalding La Vitesse. I have one and really liked the feel of it, so I strung it with gut in the mains just last week. I have been playing with it. Very solid racquet. Strange how Spalding was making good stuff and really bad stuff at the same time.

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    Yep, we had a few Spaldings that were decent sellers. The La Vitesse has the same slit in the shaft as a couple of early 1900s rackets I have. I guess it's true: 'Everything old is new again' !

    Spalding put Pancho's name on every price point from my first racket($5.65 at Western Auto) to the excellent but clubby 'Austral' style model. I never understood the appeal of the 'World Open' but we sure had some good players using it. Then the specialty frames as mentioned: La Vitesse, Lotus, SpeedShaft,et al became their niche. Snauwaert was actually a bigger seller for us in the '70s. In a moment of weakness in '89 or so, I used the original Taxi for a couple of seasons. Strung it with red/blue hybrid stringing and used one of the Babolat crazy Gripsy grips to finish the 'look'. We called it the 'ugly stick' :) . Sorry, not a wood racket...my bad.
     
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    These are a few woods that I have

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    Those are three nice looking racquets. Shame you can't have the fun of hitting with them.
     
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    I think the issue of some of you not being able to see certain pictures can be resolved by using another browser. Sometimes Foxfire, Goggle Crome, Safari and Microsoft Explorer will not show pictures from another format. I will switch and use different browsers when I need to. I am no computer expert.
     
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    I think you're right about the Vilas coming from a different factory, coach. I've looked them over more carefully since taking their pictures, and the Vilas is a slightly narrower frame through the throat than the other two. But I'd bet the Rossi and Graphite Garcia came out of the same place. They're spitting images.

    Sorry my photos aren't working for some folks. I just don't get why some people can see some of them, I can see all of them, and some folks don't see any of them at all. I use Google Chrome -- perhaps I should try to go through Internet Explorer or Firefox and see if that makes any difference.
     
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  49. Clintspin

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    I can see your pictures when I use Foxfire but not when I use Goggle Chrome.
     
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    I've pretty much resigned myself to never being able to hit with these NOS sticks. Chris signed directly on the leather grips then I shrink wrapped over for protection.

    The $5 refund coupon expired on Sept. 30, 1983...dang!

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